What are good investments right now?

I purchased a male pied and fell in love with everything ball python. I am acquiring three adult females and will breed the pied to the norms next year giving me all DH (maybe I'll get luck and one "norm" will actually be a het for pied lol).

Anyway, I'll hold back all females and maybe 1 male. My second breeding season, I will re-breed all the norms and hopefully by this time my DH albino/pied python female will be ready to breed with my pied. Again, I'll get rid of males. My third season I hope my lavender albino pied hets will be ready to get it on. Again, I'll re-breed the norms and DH alb/pie to my pie. And the 4th season I hope to have some albino babies!

I'm NOT doing this for the money. But do you think selling off the male each season will be enough to pay for upgrades/new equipment?

Where do you suggest putting some money into right now? I know albinos will always hold their value to some extent...

Would appreciate any advice on my "breeding plan".

I eventually want to end up with:

Lav Alb Pied
Norm Pied
Albino Pied


And I also love:
Caramels, VPI Ax's

I'm just not sure if it is better off to fork over the $$$$ right away for the pure recessives or DH's or go the long way at this point.

You need to approach this assuming you won't make any money. Because honestly, you probably won't. So get what you can afford to get and what you can afford to lose. I don't want to burst your bubble, but so many things can happen so it doesn't work out. Female lays slugs, you don't get the odds on your hets, she turns out to be a he, and so forth.

And selling off just males won't net you any money. Het males are cheap, so I wouldn't bank on just selling those to pay for things. As for paying money up front or going to long route, again, that's up to you. If you fork over money though, assume you'll never see it again. That's the best advice I can give you.

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

You need to approach this assuming you won't make any money. Because honestly, you probably won't. So get what you can afford to get and what you can afford to lose. I don't want to burst your bubble, but so many things can happen so it doesn't work out. Female lays slugs, you don't get the odds on your hets, she turns out to be a he, and so forth.

And selling off just males won't net you any money. Het males are cheap, so I wouldn't bank on just selling those to pay for things. As for paying money up front or going to long route, again, that's up to you. If you fork over money though, assume you'll never see it again. That's the best advice I can give you.

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I agree with everything ;)

I dont get it. You have a homozygous pied male and 3 normals and will produce dubble het albino pieds and later on that albino will turn in to a lavender pied hets and on the 4th year your hoping to produce albinos?

You lost me at Hello :)

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Originally Posted by Mikkla

I dont get it. You have a homozygous pied male and 3 normals and will produce dubble het albino pieds and later on that albino will turn in to a lavender pied hets and on the 4th year your hoping to produce albinos?

You lost me at Hello :)

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

I purchased a male pied and fell in love with everything ball python. I am acquiring three adult females and will breed the pied to the norms next year giving me all DH (maybe I'll get luck and one "norm" will actually be a het for pied lol).

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I am lost as well. Breeding a homo pied to normal females will give you nothing more than het pieds. Where are you coming up with double hets??

I think you need to slow down are learn the basic genetics on what you are breeding and want to breed before you spend a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

I am lost as well. Breeding a homo pied to normal females will give you nothing more than het pieds. Where are you coming up with double hets??

I think you need to slow down are learn the basic genetics on what you are breeding and want to breed before you spend a lot of money.

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O my i never caught this part :O.He might have been misinformed on the genetic possibilties or something left out here :confused:

To add to more confusion here he has a pair of het pieds for sale that is kinda messed up with possibilities from them.How could he have hets all ready as he said he was breeding next year for the first time. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=64495.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

To add to more confusion here he has a pair of het pieds for sale that is kinda messed up with possibilities from them.How could he have hets all ready as he said he was breeding next year for the first time. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=64495.

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To clarify, my pied male is a possible het for albino and my norm is a possible het for albino. This hasn't been proven out so my original post was a best case scenario. Now if the term "double het" is incorrect for piebald/albino then let me apologize.

Secondly, I do have het pieds 1.1 for sale. I recently acquired a lot of morphs and they came with the package, but I don't need them. I'd rather take the money to help re-invest in a caramel albino.

I really wish people were more friendly and supportive on here. And I'm not a guy, I'm a woman. People should stop assuming. :weirdface

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

To clarify, my pied male is a possible het for albino and my norm is a possible het for albino. This hasn't been proven out so my original post was a best case scenario. Now if the term "double het" is incorrect for piebald/albino then let me apologize.

Secondly, I do have het pieds 1.1 for sale. I recently acquired a lot of morphs and they came with the package, but I don't need them. I'd rather take the money to help re-invest in a caramel albino.

I really wish people were more friendly and supportive on here. And I'm not a guy, I'm a woman. People should stop assuming. :weirdface

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First off we are a friendly forum.No one started calling you names nor accuse you of doing anything illegal.I was just going by what you provided and nothing more ;).Now the thing about you being a women this points out my request for something showing a users gender :gj:.My mistake :P

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

To clarify, my pied male is a possible het for albino and my norm is a possible het for albino. This hasn't been proven out so my original post was a best case scenario. Now if the term "double het" is incorrect for piebald/albino then let me apologize.

Secondly, I do have het pieds 1.1 for sale. I recently acquired a lot of morphs and they came with the package, but I don't need them. I'd rather take the money to help re-invest in a caramel albino.

I really wish people were more friendly and supportive on here. And I'm not a guy, I'm a woman. People should stop assuming. :weirdface

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Hold on i just reread your add.You say that you are selling a pair of 100% het for pieds is this correct? Then why does your ad mention your PIED male that pos het albino and the normal female thats pos het albino? Your ad makes it sound like these are the parents :confused:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

To add to more confusion here he has a pair of het pieds for sale that is kinda messed up with possibilities from them.How could he have hets all ready as he said he was breeding next year for the first time. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=64495.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

I am lost as well. Breeding a homo pied to normal females will give you nothing more than het pieds. Where are you coming up with double hets??

I think you need to slow down are learn the basic genetics on what you are breeding and want to breed before you spend a lot of money.

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NO! People are reading my post incorrectly!

I have:

1.0 Pied possible Albino Het
0.1 Norm possible Albino Het

THIS IS WHERE THE POSSIBLE DH ARE COMING FROM "ALBINO/PIED"

0.2 Norm bp
1.1 Lavender Albino Het Pair (ready my 2nd season of breeding)
1.0 VPI Axanthic
0.2 Albino
1.0 Spider
1.1 Het Pied Pair (for sale, I didn't breed these)


So don't assume things and lecture me on my "genetics" knowledge. I am a registered nurse and have had more college hours in bio and chem than most people!

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

NO! People are reading my post incorrectly!

I have:

1.0 Pied possible Albino Het
0.1 Norm possible Albino Het

THIS IS WHERE THE POSSIBLE DH ARE COMING FROM "ALBINO/PIED"

0.2 Norm bp
1.1 Lavender Albino Het Pair (ready my 2nd season of breeding)
1.0 VPI Axanthic
0.2 Albino
1.0 Spider
1.1 Het Pied Pair (for sale, I didn't breed these)


So don't assume things and lecture me on my "genetics" knowledge. I am a registered nurse and have had more college hours in bio and chem than most people!

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Sorry we are only reading whats in your posts and your ad ;)

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

NO! People are reading my post incorrectly!

I have:

1.0 Pied possible Albino Het
0.1 Norm possible Albino Het

THIS IS WHERE THE POSSIBLE DH ARE COMING FROM "ALBINO/PIED"

0.2 Norm bp
1.1 Lavender Albino Het Pair (ready my 2nd season of breeding)
1.0 VPI Axanthic
0.2 Albino
1.0 Spider
1.1 Het Pied Pair (for sale, I didn't breed these)


So don't assume things and lecture me on my "genetics" knowledge. I am a registered nurse and have had more college hours in bio and chem than most people!

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Sorry hon, but if you are going to quote me, get your post right. You never made mention of the homo pied being poss. het albino or having a normal poss. het albino. I was strictly going by what YOU posted in the OP.

No one is a hater here! Its simple at first your ad was questionable in its self.So i pointed it out ;).

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Hold on i just reread your add.You say that you are selling a pair of 100% het for pieds is this correct? Then why does your ad mention your PIED male that pos het albino and the normal female thats pos het albino? Your ad makes it sound like these are the parents :confused:

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You're right. I clarified that part of the ad again. Basically, I got my new lot of morphs from the same dude that sold me my pied poss het albino. So the Dad of the het pieds for sale is my pied's brother and the Mom was also a norm poss het for albino also. I don't want them because I'm getting a female 100% DH for albino/pied. And because I hope my pied and possible het prove out. I'm not explaining myself anymore now so assume away lol. :banana:

I fell the same way as Joe and MPenn. When I first looked at the thread I was confussed. But I understand what your saying now. And as for haters, Not here. I am still new to the forum and no one has been mean that I have seen. Try some of the other forums like kingsnake and a few others if you want to see some haters. I believe they were trying to understand your add. I would have asked the questions.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

No one is a hater here! Its simple at first your ad was questionable in its self.So i pointed it out ;).

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

You're right. I clarified that part of the ad again. Basically, I got my new lot of morphs from the same dude that sold me my pied poss het albino. So the Dad of the het pieds for sale is my pied's brother and the Mom was also a norm poss het for albino also. I don't want them because I'm getting a female 100% DH for albino/pied. And because I hope my pied and possible het prove out. I'm not explaining myself anymore now so assume away lol. :banana:

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You have corrected the ad to read what they are so its all good now ;).Just for info purposes i doubt a 33% het albino has a chance at proving out to have the albino gene in them.

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

I'm not explaining myself anymore now so assume away lol. :banana:

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As a breeder and someone hoping to sell offspring, you shouldn't take this attitude. Trust me, if I didn't already have snakes for that project and was looking into it, you would have more explaining to do.

Sounds like a very "wasteful" way to got to where you are going. You will get a bunch of stuff you have no idea and cannot accurately tell what they are. I would either get a 100% het albino female or a full albino female and breed that to your pied.

Then you will have a big chance to see if he is a poss het albino. If you see no albinos pip you will have 100% DH from Pied x Albino breeding.

Also when people ask questions and people come back with well I have a college degree! It is 99% meaningless in the world of snakes to have that degree, unless its business or Ball python genetics. And with that attitude you will have trouble going far in this business.

People aren't mean, people are just way too defensive.

I'm very sorry that you don't feel that this is a friendly forum. Your first post was very unclear, I was even scratching my head trying to understand how you planned to get DH.

As far as I can see from this thread, people were simply trying to get clarification from you, and you were getting defensive about that.

I hope that you'll relax a little and take time to learn from people who are trying to offer you their help and expertise.

I do agree When I read your first posting in this thread I was confused by how it was worded just like everyone else here. I have read the whole thread and really do not see anyone attacking you or your knowledge... Only people asking for you to clarify your post.
I have not met anyone on here that was mean or hateful. I think you might want to lower your guard a little so you don't assume that we are attacking you. As for being a woman we all respect women here and do not any anyway think they do not know as much or even more than us.

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Originally Posted by piebald_ks

...will breed the pied to the norms next year giving me all DH (maybe I'll get luck and one "norm" will actually be a het for pied lol).

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One more thing- and I don't know if that's a joke or not, but- all the offspring of a pied x norm will be het for pied.

Also, even if both parents are het for albino, the offspring will only be 50% het (25% normal and 25% albino)
So unless you get some albinos in the clutch, you won't be able to say at all if the others are het for albino or not. I guess if the dad gets proven out by one of the clutches, then you can at least say the offspring are 50% het.

I was so confused from your first post! lol

You have some ambitious plans on some awesome project. They are projects that I'm working on as well...

If I can make a suggestion that is in line with several other's suggestions, breed your pied poss het albino to an albino female or at least a het albino female. That way, if you don't produce albinos from the pairing you can be reasonably certain that your pied is not het albino.

Currently when you use your current pairing and do not produce albinos, you will not know which of the parents is not a het and that makes it a LOT harder to make informed decisions and also sell any of the offspring.

I hope this is helpful.

Justin

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

I was so confused from your first post! lol

You have some ambitious plans on some awesome project. They are projects that I'm working on as well...

If I can make a suggestion that is in line with several other's suggestions, breed your pied poss het albino to an albino female or at least a het albino female. That way, if you don't produce albinos from the pairing you can be reasonably certain that your pied is not het albino.

Currently when you use your current pairing and do not produce albinos, you will not know which of the parents is not a het and that makes it a LOT harder to make informed decisions and also sell any of the offspring.

I hope this is helpful.

Justin

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Agreed on all accounts!

Glad to see you fell in love with Ball pythons just as everyone else here :)

I too was confused by your first posts, scratching my head, but it seems things have been sorted out so far. No reason to get upset and defensive. The attitude in posts will make things harder.

I agree with blueapplepaste, at this juncture, buy what YOU want to see the most because nothing is guaranteed with live animals and you may come out with some nice normal animals with very low % of heritage, but down several thousand by the time you produce a homozygous animal. It's always safe to buy either visible or 100% from a respected breeder. ;)

I have a college degree too! Welcome to the club. :P

As for investments, I would go with what you want to produce. Plain and simple. Everything else is a moot point. Even the money.

If you have a homo. pied male, why are you selling your het female and breeding the male to normal girls you don't have yet. Since you are planning to hold back the het babies to breed to the dad, why sell the only animal you have that can put yourself years ahead of your current plan to produce pieds, seeing that you aren't likely to produce any albino pieds with your current method?

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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n

One more thing- and I don't know if that's a joke or not, but- all the offspring of a pied x norm will be het for pied.

Also, even if both parents are het for albino, the offspring will only be 50% het (25% normal and 25% albino)
So unless you get some albinos in the clutch, you won't be able to say at all if the others are het for albino or not. I guess if the dad gets proven out by one of the clutches, then you can at least say the offspring are 50% het.

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Actually, if both parents are Het for albino, the offspring that appear normal will be 66% Poss. Het for Albino. I just wanted to clarify that for anyone that may read through this thread at a later date.