superballs ?

Does anyone here know breeding info on how to breed a ball and a blood python together to make superballs? Does the female have to be the blood and the male the ball or can it be the other way around?:confused:

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Does anyone here know breeding info on how to breed a ball and a blood python together to make superballs? Does the female have to be the blood and the male the ball or can it be the other way around?:confused:

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Why would you want to do that? Just Curious? :confused:

You could always buy this one... http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=574559 its been up for sale forever :8:

-Josh

Everyone always asks me that question. lol. Naw but I don't want to buy one. Too expensive.

So then Answer if everyone asks you.

People like to see pure bloodlines

so when you come here asking questions about how to mud up the gene pool without an explanation as to why, people get erked.

Well first off, the snake is two of my favorite python species put into one snake, with characteristics of both snakes. And other than that they look really awesome. Does that answer your QUESTION?:D

well what your answer to the question said about you is that you are to busy to care for a ball python and a blood python and you want one snake that is a hybrid u may find that this is the wrong place for that we as hobbist and herpers want to keep all pure blood lines pure so carpondos and carpballs and a superball are mutts just like a labordoodle lol just stating my 2 cents

Look I just want to breed them. It aint gonna kill no one if I breed them. If you guys are gonna critisize me and tell me random stuff that don't do any good for me then PLEASE don't reply anything in this thread. Everyone has different tastes and I happen to like superballs. And I have multiple ball pythons and one blood right now. Its not that I dont want to take care of all of them, its just that I like how the superballs act and look.

ok I dont condone it, but it is a badass snake, but you want the female to be the blood and male to be ball. They tend to be infertile and more susceptable to getting sick and that is a big reason people are against them. Personally its a great lookin snake but it really should not be combined too many problems.

no one here is attacking you we are just giving you our opinion on the mixing of different breeds and the last time i checked that was the purpose of the forum im not saying dont do it im just telling you why you havent gotten much help we as a community like to keep pure bred herps but as its my right to speak my mind it is your to speak also so please forgive me if my last post made you think i was stifling your free speech thats not what i was meaning

What does a superball even look like??? Sorry never heard of this morph. I can see the reasoning behind the question though - in comment to the labradoodle quote - these dogs are incredibly popular due to the mix of qualites and behaviour. so i can see the reasoning behind wanting a combo of the two if thats your ball game.
does anyone have pics?? would be interested to see - what average size do they get too???

there is a link in one of the first few posts

Im not trying to make any enemys here. But its that alot of people argue with me on breeding hybrids. Im not trying to start breeding like hundred and thousandths of them so that I can sell them, I just want one for myself so that I can see how it acts and stuff, im a very curious person.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

I just want one for myself so that I can see how it acts and stuff, im a very curious person.

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....you do realize that you would most likely get more than 'one' snake if you bred them, right? ;)

Yea I know ill get more than one egg, but I heard that since its a hybrid that most of the eggs won't hatch in the first clutch.

curiosity killed the cat you know put aside the health issues of the hybrid they havent been around long enough to know what the long time effect on the snake is so you as a fairly new herper ( just going off your post ) do you want to take that risk without knowing the out come and second to want to breed anything and the hope that most wont hatch is terrible i suggest that you do a little more research as your not finding the info here that you want i wish you well in your endevours

Well im not a newbie, Ive had snakes for about 8 years now. Like you said no one knows how the superballs health would be in the long run and of course no one will find out either if no one attempts to breed them and keep them. But really think about, you guys are consirned about the hybrids health, and I care about its health also, but no one will ever know how their healths would be and how they act, etc. if no one tries to keep one. I mean think about it, when people started catching snakes in the wild and putting them in cages and breeding them in captivity no one new about their health problems and what their conditions needed to be in captivity, but everyone started learning by keeping a snake with the little knowledge they had. And everyone learns by trial and error. So if I happen to breed the hybrid I would take care of it by my knowledge of blood and ball pythons. And if the snake thrives well then I can share my knowledge to future herp collectors who want to do the same thing im doing.

good luck

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Well I'm not a newbie, Ive had snakes for about 8 years now. Like you said no one knows how the super balls health would be in the long run and of course no one will find out either if no one attempts to breed them and keep them. But really think about, you guys are concerned about the hybrids health, and I care about its health also, but no one will ever know how their healths would be and how they act, etc. if no one tries to keep one. I mean think about it, when people started catching snakes in the wild and putting them in cages and breeding them in captivity no one new about their health problems and what their conditions needed to be in captivity, but everyone started learning by keeping a snake with the little knowledge they had. And everyone learns by trial and error. So if I happen to breed the hybrid I would take care of it by my knowledge of blood and ball pythons. And if the snake thrives well then I can share my knowledge to future herp collectors who want to do the same thing I'm doing.

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You can own snakes for 20 years, but it still doesn't make it better. the fact that you are mudding two bloodlines "because you are curious". Just because they are out there doesn't mean that you should make more. If you have both, I don't see the need to have the hybrid, unless you just want to "show it off".

Look at carpets for instance. Pure carpets are getting fewer and fewer because people like you are mixing the bloodlines. Imagine if everyone wanted to do the super balls, so everyone gets some bloods and starts crossing the breeds, years down the road pure bloods may not be so easy to find. (not saying it will saying it could)

It is a touchy subject, and to come on here and say you want to do all of this because you are curious?????? why don't you find someone who has one and go see it. But to figuratively destroy two bloodlines for your own curiosity is not a good reason.

Thats it I'm done.

Everything you guys keep telling me is about selling the snakes. Im not gonna sell the snakes. And why cant I be curious? I love snakes, I think they are the most interesting animals in the world. I bet you guys think Im trying to breed them so that I can sell them and make money. And a question for you guys, why do you guys keep snakes?

I keep my 20+ Snakes becuase they are amazing creatures. I own multiple species so that i do not have to own a Hybrid.

Yes we know you are not breeding, but what happens when you get rid of your snakes?

What happens if you start breeding these hybrids and do get a hole clutch of them. Your telling me that you are sooo curious you would keep all 5-8 hybrids, come on dude be real. I dont care if your gonna sell them or not, eventually they may not end up in your posession, spreading the mud-blood (yeah harry potter!!!!).

Why cant I keep all of them? Im not a irresponsible person. If I said I wont get rid of them then I wont. I keep my word.

i know i might be crazy for what i am about to say for the crap im gonna take in the end but ima say it anyway......

everyone is comming down on him for wanting a superball like it is goin to kill all bp's and bloods out there. we have countless diff breeds of dogs (needless to say we would never want to get rid of them) and still have most of the wolves and foxes that were bred together to make them (we killed off the others by hunting or building where they lived). man has always been out to take something that he has been givin and see if her could make something else out of it. from cars to flowers, animals to dna stains.

if he truly has the love for the animals and is willing to do the work that it takes to raise what he creates then we should do what this site was made for and give him all the knowledge that we have to help him along. everyone on this site does not agree with everything that everyone does, we all have our own ways and ideas. so if you agree with him or not if he is going to do it we should atleast help him do things the best way for the snake in the end to be as healthy as posible.

noone here likes it when people come down on them for haveing these "satanic creatures" we call our pets or the way we feed them.

"ones mans trash, is another mans treasure"

now i guess ill sit back and take all the shots yall got

i started thinking the other day i shouldnt be so hard on the guy i know im against it but i know i made my mistakes back when i started breeding boas my first successful breeding was a hog island to a bci now i didnt know any better but i did it so to each there own good luck and whos to say in ten years it wont be normal to see super balls

You have some die-hard fans that back you up. People were being attacked here?

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

You have some die-hard fans that back you up. People were being attacked here?

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im sorry what do you mean?

LOL, he started a new account just to wine about me supposedly attacking people

Its all good, my opinion stands.

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

LOL, he started a new account just to wine about me supposedly attacking people

Its all good, my opinion stands.

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Who started a new acount?

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Who started a new acount?

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Oh I thought it was you.

No man I aint gonna waste my time doing that. Be real man. I aint 9 years old.

Delicate subject you chose. I also do not condone breeding of different species, but I will admit the balls got an upgrade when they mingled with that blood.

In my humble opinion, just buy one from someone that has produced it and save yourself the time and heartache, and possibilty that nothing comes from the cross.

I love bloods, I think they are great by themselves, but as the community stands, not all hybrids are looked upon well for the sake of keeping pure lines and any risks involved. Yes it may not make sense, but thats the way it is. why not talk to Russi and see what he says about them since he produced them. ;)

I'd buy one. But 2 to 3 grands is a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by royal morphz

curiosity killed the cat you know put aside the health issues of the hybrid they havent been around long enough to know what the long time effect on the snake is so you as a fairly new herper ( just going off your post ) do you want to take that risk without knowing the out come and second to want to breed anything and the hope that most wont hatch is terrible i suggest that you do a little more research as your not finding the info here that you want i wish you well in your endevours

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Wow, I'm sorry, I try not to correct people too much, but that was just horrible. If you tried to read that sentence out loud, you'd pass out!

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Originally Posted by Skoalbasher

Wow, I'm sorry, I try not to correct people too much, but that was just horrible. If you tried to read that sentence out loud, you'd pass out!

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this is dumb. if you want a snake that looks like a blood get a blood. if you want a snake with the personality of a ball get a ball. if you one that looks like a blood and acts like a ball. get both... quit playin god.

I see nothing wrong with trying something new when it comes to hybrids. The problem with CARPETS is that when you combine two closely related snake species (integrades, not hybrids) it becomes very very hard to tell if the snake is pure. If someone makes a diamond/jungle cross and sells it as such, what's to say that the next person doesn't breed it with a jungle. Now you have snakes that look like jungles, but aren't pure jungle carpet pythons.

Breeding two totally different species together does NOT constitute the same problem as we are seeing in the Morelia species. It will be very hard to pass off a borneo/ball hybrid as a pure ball or a pure borneo. The same goes for any of the carpet/ball hybrids. I find the carpalls and carbombs to be really interesting hybrids and see myself making some if my carpets and balls cooperate.

After reading through what some of the purist's say you'd think that hybrids were genetic anomalies that would certainly not be worth even trying but this simply is not true. Let's get some facts out of the way first. When you breed a horse and a donkey you get a mule... Mules are exactly that, mules they are infertile. But we are talking snakes here and so far the Super Ball males and soon the females seem to be just fine and healthy and fertile in fact of all the hybrids they have the highest fecundity rate so far. The Ball python seems to be relative to the entire gene pool of pythonidae so far. These are snakes there is no god to them, they worship no one and nothing all they care about is food, water, warm temps, and sex IE. propagating themselves around their environment. If a ball python some how made it to Borneo eventually it would breed to a blood python. Hybrids are not sins, if humans didn't hybridize animals or plants then we would not have pretty..ext.. chickens, dogs, goldfish, rats, cats and birds to name just a small selection of pets and food products we keep in captivity.
There is nothing wrong with this person for wanting to hybridize a snake after all in a 100years from now it won't make a difference to the wild population nor the snakes you keep as pets in your own homes. I saw people jump all over this guy for asking a simple question that should of gotten a very simple answer but instead you all decided to jump down his back and verbally assasinate him for what ??
If you're a purist be one and stick to just ball or blood pythons but if your into hybrids then do it, not all hybrids make good results but some like the suprball totally rock and will be mixed with ball python morphs and blood morphs... It's an exciting time for bloods and balls and for their hybrid counterparts.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Does anyone here know breeding info on how to breed a ball and a blood python together to make superballs? Does the female have to be the blood and the male the ball or can it be the other way around?:confused:

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Call Rousis Reptiles he did it and did a good job with it but the way he did it was a bit of a secret.

I know of one person this year that did it and he used a Male 4ft BP which locked with a small Red Blood 5-6ft and he has eggs in the inc...

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Originally Posted by JKBReptiles

After reading through what some of the purist's say you'd think that hybrids were genetic anomalies that would certainly not be worth even trying but this simply is not true. Let's get some facts out of the way first. When you breed a horse and a donkey you get a mule... Mules are exactly that, mules they are infertile. But we are talking snakes here and so far the Super Ball males and soon the females seem to be just fine and healthy and fertile in fact of all the hybrids they have the highest fecundity rate so far. The Ball python seems to be relative to the entire gene pool of pythonidae so far. These are snakes there is no god to them, they worship no one and nothing all they care about is food, water, warm temps, and sex IE. propagating themselves around their environment. If a ball python some how made it to Borneo eventually it would breed to a blood python. Hybrids are not sins, if humans didn't hybridize animals or plants then we would not have pretty..ext.. chickens, dogs, goldfish, rats, cats and birds to name just a small selection of pets and food products we keep in captivity.
There is nothing wrong with this person for wanting to hybridize a snake after all in a 100years from now it won't make a difference to the wild population nor the snakes you keep as pets in your own homes. I saw people jump all over this guy for asking a simple question that should of gotten a very simple answer but instead you all decided to jump down his back and verbally assasinate him for what ??
If you're a purist be one and stick to just ball or blood pythons but if your into hybrids then do it, not all hybrids make good results but some like the suprball totally rock and will be mixed with ball python morphs and blood morphs... It's an exciting time for bloods and balls and for their hybrid counterparts.

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Take a break from the keyboard bro, no one was attacking him or "verbally abusing" him like you say. We were stating our opinions, if that is abusive to you, how do you even leave your house?

You need to work on your vocabulary there kid, verbal abuse is not what verbal assassination means, verbal assassination is when you shoot someone down or tear them up which you and some others did do.. Verbal abuse would of been directly calling him some stupid ass names or something for not thing like the rest of the lemmings.. Go play with your turtle and your bong

PS 20 posts is nothing sport.. so no break is needed... I think maybe you need to quit the red bulls... or the pot whatever one makes you think your so cool on the net...

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Originally Posted by JKBReptiles

You need to work on your vocabulary there kid, verbal abuse is not what verbal assassination means, verbal assassination is when you shoot someone down or tear them up which you and some others did do.. Verbal abuse would of been directly calling him some stupid ass names or something for not thing like the rest of the lemmings.. Go play with your turtle and your bong

PS 20 posts is nothing sport.. so no break is needed... I think maybe you need to quit the red bulls... or the pot whatever one makes you think your so cool on the net...

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We got got a wise guy EH! :O:O:rolleye2::rolleye2:

ps. redbulls are gross, as are most energy drinks

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We got got a wise guy EH! :O:O:rolleye2::rolleye2:

ps. redbulls are gross, as are most energy drinks

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