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I have been noticing a lot a new members joining and just posting ads and never contributing anything to the community. I am curious if anyone else is bothered by this or considers it rude.

i find it ruder when people only show up during breeding, post pics of their snakes. Send lots of fake hugs and then run off for another 8 months or so.

One of the goals of the sites is to connect breeders to buyers. Best way to combat that is to buy from those you know and trust.

But it happens every breeding season... people go to their list of favorites and exploit every reptle site's classifieds for a sale.

Personally, doesn't bug me.

Bruce

both bug me we should have a 100 post min to post an ad

not nec. a good idea... then you get people posting nothing worthwhile to get their post counts up!

Then make it at least 50 worthwhile posts.

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Originally Posted by Brimstone111888

I have been noticing a lot a new members joining and just posting ads and never contributing anything to the community. I am curious if anyone else is bothered by this or considers it rude.

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This bothers me also. I would not buy from people like this, because I have no rapport with them and don't even know who they are!

If the come here just to post what they have for sale, I skip over them.

It doesn't really bother me. I do get a little irritated with the fly-by-night breeders that spam the ad forum in the Spring, but I would much rather have someone try to find a good home for their unwanted Ball on this site than giving it way on Craigslist to an impulse buyer.

Plus, the restrictions on the ads assure that they aren't on the front page very long. ;)

Being a bit elitist aren't you? The choice of buying from them or not is still up to you, as is your choice to skip their ads. Look at it in a positive way; suppose someone googles for an albino BP for sale, they get a link here, where they have never been, and discover this website and become a new and valued member. ;)

New, tighter restrictions were already put into place last year regarding the classifieds, I'm not sure that further restrictions are warranted, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Loft Lizard

i find it ruder when people only show up during breeding, post pics of their snakes. Send lots of fake hugs and then run off for another 8 months or so.

One of the goals of the sites is to connect breeders to buyers. Best way to combat that is to buy from those you know and trust.

But it happens every breeding season... people go to their list of favorites and exploit every reptle site's classifieds for a sale.

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That bugs me too, Bruce - especially when they don't even help in answering beginner keeper questions in hubandry and general. I'd much prefer they participate year round and remember that they were once new to the hobby themselves and give back to the community by sharing their experiences and what works for them - rather than only replying to threads where they can show of their animals. I can dream can't I? :P

I'm going to be devils advocate for a second:

If a seasoned breeder comes here, notices all of the beginner questions, but also notices all of the answers coming from the more seasoned members of the site, is it really necessary to add to the thread if the question is quickly answered?

I notice that it seems to happen pretty quickly where the question is posted, and (if the Q is easy enough) quickly answered.

What then?

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I'm going to be devils advocate for a second:

If a seasoned breeder comes here, notices all of the beginner questions, but also notices all of the answers coming from the more seasoned members of the site, is it really necessary to add to the thread if the question is quickly answered?

I notice that it seems to happen pretty quickly where the question is posted, and (if the Q is easy enough) quickly answered.

What then?

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But a member that is active would find places where they can contribute so there should be no reason why they can't contribute in some way even if its not answering questions

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Originally Posted by Gecko Den

Being a bit elitist aren't you? The choice of buying from them or not is still up to you, as is your choice to skip their ads. Look at it in a positive way; suppose someone googles for an albino BP for sale, they get a link here, where they have never been, and discover this website and become a new and valued member. ;)

New, tighter restrictions were already put into place last year regarding the classifieds, I'm not sure that further restrictions are warranted, IMHO.

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How is asking other peoples feelings on a matter elitist? Please.... I didn't even propose a limit others did.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

But a member that is active would find places where they can contribute so there should be no reason why they can't contribute in some way even if its not answering questions

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Agreed, but in slightly less visible ways, so therefore less "participatory"?

And, to what degree does one have to participate before they become accepted as not just trying to sell their wares?

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I'm going to be devils advocate for a second:

If a seasoned breeder comes here, notices all of the beginner questions, but also notices all of the answers coming from the more seasoned members of the site, is it really necessary to add to the thread if the question is quickly answered?

I notice that it seems to happen pretty quickly where the question is posted, and (if the Q is easy enough) quickly answered.

What then?

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I know that when I was starting out - I particularly liked it when Adam was participating and sharing his point of view and his experiences at a breeder level.

I'm sure that our newer members would be just as thrilled to also have a breeder show interest in their question and add their $.02 as well. And there's more than one way to do things, so just because a seasoned member has answered, doesn't mean that there's not something someone else can add.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I'm sure that our newer members would be just as thrilled to also have a breeder show interest in their question and add their $.02 as well. And there's more than one way to do things, so just because a seasoned member has answered, doesn't mean that there's not something someone else can add.

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I shed my Devils advocate cape.. (MWAHAHAHA) and agree with you very much.

However, like there are people who are members and like to lurk, there are breeders that are the same.

(Myself not included at ALL)

Just because someone posts an add doesn't mean they are gonna sell anything. Reputation counts for alot. There is no rule for posting an add your first day BUT if you take advantage of the situation you will be penalized. For example people have been thrown off this site for abusing the picture forum to promote animals for sale. You are only allowed so many ads. I think the more established you are on this site the more respect your ad will get by fellow members and that comes from contribution. I think it also says alot about the person and their genuine concern for the animals and people that buy them.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I shed my Devils advocate cape.. (MWAHAHAHA) and agree with you very much.

However, like there are people who are members and like to lurk, there are breeders that are the same.

(Myself not included at ALL)

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And there are breeders who lurk, but have no problem showing off the animals that are hatching (ad nauseum, too), or commenting only on threads to customers who have purchased their animals to comment how good the animal they sold them looks (See my sign - I produced that - buy from me!).

They're really quite transparent when you pay attention. :rolleyes:

If they ALSO participated by commenting on other people's animals, or genuinely helping newer herpers, it wouldn't be so irritating and obvious what their real motivation is (to sell animals).

See what you did! Got me on my :soapbx:

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

For example people have been thrown off this site for abusing the picture forum to promote animals for sale.

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Actually, they haven't been banned for that reason. It just happens that person did abuse the picture forum - but that was not the reason that they were banned. :)

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

This bothers me also. I would not buy from people like this, because I have no rapport with them and don't even know who they are!

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I agree :gj:

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Originally Posted by xdeus

It doesn't really bother me. I do get a little irritated with the fly-by-night breeders that spam the ad forum in the Spring, but I would much rather have someone try to find a good home for their unwanted Ball on this site than giving it way on Craigslist to an impulse buyer.

Plus, the restrictions on the ads assure that they aren't on the front page very long. ;)

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Now where else would they sell thier blind snakes at :rolleyes:.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

That bugs me too, Bruce - especially when they don't even help in answering beginner keeper questions in hubandry and general. I'd much prefer they participate year round and remember that they were once new to the hobby themselves and give back to the community by sharing their experiences and what works for them - rather than only replying to threads where they can show of their animals. I can dream can't I? :P

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I do not have any snakes that are breeding now but i still attempt to help others out ;)

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I'm going to be devils advocate for a second:

If a seasoned breeder comes here, notices all of the beginner questions, but also notices all of the answers coming from the more seasoned members of the site, is it really necessary to add to the thread if the question is quickly answered?

I notice that it seems to happen pretty quickly where the question is posted, and (if the Q is easy enough) quickly answered.

What then?

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In my opinion it still shows they care no matter how many times the question has been answered;).

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Just because someone posts an add doesn't mean they are gonna sell anything. Reputation counts for alot. There is no rule for posting an add your first day BUT if you take advantage of the situation you will be penalized. For example people have been thrown off this site for abusing the picture forum to promote animals for sale. You are only allowed so many ads. I think the more established you are on this site the more respect your ad will get by fellow members and that comes from contribution. I think it also says alot about the person and their genuine concern for the animals and people that buy them.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Actually, they haven't been banned for that reason. It just happens that person did abuse the picture forum - but that was not the reason that they were banned. :)

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Ooops. see what happens when you assume:P

(Rookie mistake)

For me it's Reputation ,Reputation and Reputation!

I skip most if not all adds on here even when i was jusk lurking on this site. I buy only from the big boys in the biz and from a trusted local guy.

I also take into consideration word of mouth form some of the longer standing and trusted members here on bp.net It has helped me expand my thinking on some of the smaller breeders(JAS) and their wonderful animals.

I don't know when I'll produce my first clutches but I enjoy answering questions of all types when I can. I don't have tons of experience but I think I learned quite a bit over the past 3 years keeping bps.

But I'm a very strong advocate of educated buyers; so the seasonal ads and what not don't bother me. People should know what and who they're buying from when dealing with a live animal that can live 35+ years.

I try to only reply to questions when I can add something else to it, and I try to avoid posting the same advice.
I don't have an issue with folks posting for-sale ads and not much else. Not everyone can do everything needed. Not everyone is chatty and wants to repsond to yet another "What morph do you want next" type poll, or to respond to a thread about a joke. There's plenty that do, and they respond just fine. But not everyone wants to sit around on the off chance that someone might ask something only they can answer.

With the massive amount of folks that ARE willing to answer "Iz it ok 4 me 2 kepp 2 pthons 2gether?????????" for the hundredth time, I don't feel the need to pop on to say "No" when twenty others already have answered in a cool way that covers the whys and hows.

If you want to really support the site that way, then buy from the sellers that DO post often with good advice and with good attitudes. Buy from the advertisers. And when you do and get great service and a great product/animal, post how great it was! Those that only post a for-sale ad and disappear... disappear. You don't see the ad but one time if you look for new posts, and it's gone. Not a lot of advertising for them, since they didn't put any work into it. Since there's rules as to how many ads you can post, and a rule about abusing the picture section, what's the harm in letting them post their animals for sale?

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Originally Posted by Brimstone111888

How is asking other peoples feelings on a matter elitist? Please.... I didn't even propose a limit others did.

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Where exactly in my post did I direct my comments specifically at you? I must have missed it....:rolleyes: