What the CRAP!!!

My new RTB had a meal almost a week ago, last Sunday to be exact. Throughout the entire week she was fine. I checked her enclosure before i left for about 5 hours, and i came back home to this.
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I'm confused, it looks more like a regurge, instead of poop. I can actually see pieces of the mouse. Then again i have left snake poop in water before and it expands pretty big, but what do u guy think?
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ewwwwwww!

Definitely looks like a regurge to me...

How are you temps? Did you handle the snake after feeding (say within 24 hours)? Is there anything that could cause continual stress... a fan or tv causing vibrations near the cage?

temps are up there, gonna lower them. 95 hot 85 on the cold durning the day. 89 and 75 at night. no handling after feed

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

Definitely looks like a regurge to me...

How are you temps? Did you handle the snake after feeding (say within 24 hours)? Is there anything that could cause continual stress... a fan or tv causing vibrations near the cage?

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I'm agreeing with the regurge. I see the hair and hair is in poop,,,, but Im not seeing any poop mixed in with the hair. Also the water is still mainly clear and had it been a poop in the water, the water would most likely be discolored and there might be some uraites in the water too. Plus, it looks to me like I see rear legs and tail there.

I also want to point out that........ You need to read up and what to do next. There most definitely are steps to take in this kind of situation. Follow them closely. I hate to sound like a bad guy here, but this ends a lot of neonate Boas lives. Right now his servile rate is 50/50 and thats if you do everything right.

Good luck.

Regurges sometimes happen because temps are too low... but if they're too high it might happen, as well.

Make sure you keep the snake in a quiet area, where it's not going to be stressed out. I'd not handle it for a week or two. Same goes for feeding. One of my little boys regurged... I put him in a shoebox cage in a dark, quiet space for two weeks, no handling, no feeding. He ate just fine and hasn't regurged since.

The most common cause of death from a regurge is attempting to feed again soon after.

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Originally Posted by APBTOwner

I'm agreeing with the regurge. I see the hair and hair is in poop,,,, but Im not seeing any poop mixed in with the hair. Also the water is still mainly clear and had it been a poop in the water, the water would most likely be discolored and there might be some uraites in the water too. Plus, it looks to me like I see rear legs and tail there.

I also want to point out that........ You need to read up and what to do next. There most definitely are steps to take in this kind of situation. Follow them closely. I hate to sound like a bad guy here, but this ends a lot of neonate Boas lives. Right now his servile rate is 50/50 and thats if you do everything right.

Good luck.

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Where can i find info on how to care for a regurgitating boa?

PM sent :gj:

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Originally Posted by catalystsupreme

Where can i find info on how to care for a regurgitating boa?

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The poster above just gave good advice.

There is also a med you can get from a vet, but for the life of me I cant remember the dang name.

No handling, no feeding for 2 weeks. Its going to need to rebuild acids lost in the regurge. Its also going to need to calm down, regurging is massive stress.

With my Boas I heat 1/3 of the cage floor to 95*F via UTH, the rest of the floor stays unheated. I do not use any other heat source. The ambient temp/cold side temp is what ever my snake room's temp is. Usually 77-80*F

I don't mist cages either. My cage humidity is what ever my snake room's humidity is. Usually in the 40% range.

I keep all my snakes on newspaper. No hide boxes. One water bowl per-cage.

Now Im not saying this is the only way to do it, or the best way. This is just the way that has worked for me and others for a long time.

Best of luck. Keep us posted.

David.

You know something else that just hit me.

I have read a time or two that mice can cause regurging in some cases with some snakes. Because mice have a lot of hair and not very meaty. Might want to move the Boa over to Rat pups. Also, when you go to re-feed, feed a much smaller meal then normal if thats at all possible.

I have lost a Boa from regurge a long time ago, before I knew what steps to take and I attempted to re-feed to soon. It ate, regurged and died a few days later.

So, this hits close to home for me.

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my baby boa ( about 2 feet ) regurgitated on the 14th. I know not to feed him for 2 weeks and everything else I've read in this thread. should i be worried? after reading some parts ( death) i am a little worried.

As long as you leave him alone and don't push him to eat too soon, you should be fine. If he regurges a second time, however, definitely get him to a vet ASAP.

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Originally Posted by APBTOwner

You know something else that just hit me.

I have read a time or two that mice can cause regurging in some cases with some snakes. Because mice have a lot of hair and not very meaty.(

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I've never heard this. Can you provide the source of this information?

Wow. To be perfectly honest I never knew regurgitation was such a serious (i.e. life threatening) matter. None of my snakes have ever regurged, though. I imagine this goes for pythons as well as boas?

Yes, it's just as dangerous for pythons.

It has to do with the acid buildup from a regurge. A regurge is hard on a snake's body anyway, but if they do it more than one, the acid buildup can be so high that it kills them... or they just keep regurging.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I've never heard this. Can you provide the source of this information?

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Sure. Its been awhile, but I will look for it and post what I find.

Vet confirmed undigested poop. He said no way that the snake would regurge that one week after he ate.

Um... yeah, there IS a possibility. A week really isn't that long in terms of snake digestion... and it wasn't a week, anyway, it was only five days. It's certainly possible.

Yeah but at the same time sometimes all the hair isn't always digested. It's not necessarily regurge. Plus there are urates it looks like, and it's rather neatly 'packaged' if you will.


*pardon my lack of looking close enough, that's not urates, that's half a mouse... while still not necessarily regurge, that's not really all that good. at all.

After 5-6 days a snake can still regurge. Must be nice to have a vet thats open on Sundays too.

Like I stated before.... Nothing looks like it has any feces on it, not even the water the "poop" was in. No uraites, or anything. Also, I have never seen a snake poo 1/3 of an intact mouse before with tail still attached.

I'm still saying regurge.

Just some thoughts.

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Originally Posted by APBTOwner

After 5-6 days a snake can still regurge. Must be nice to have a vet thats open on Sundays too.

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24 hours vet baby..But i agree, i think i might try a vet i used to use a couple of years ago. I'm still gonna wait 2 weeks for feeding regardless of what they say

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Originally Posted by catalystsupreme

24 hours vet baby

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Nice! :gj:

I wish we had one of them here in land before time WI. :tears:

To me, that looks like mouse feet and a tail. Temps are too high also, I use 88-90 on the warm side and 78-82 on the cool side and it seems to work well.

Wait 2 weeks, keep the snake quiet, make sure she has fresh water and is hydrating herself, then attempt to feed a hopper mouse or small adult.