New rescues with problems :(

Well, today i put about 500 miles on my car going to pick up five adult female ball pythons. When i got there i found out that they were housed together, with three rtb's:mad: One has a horrible face shed going on, its eyes look deflated. Its also breathing through its mouth, so im expecting RI. I get them home, and find them covered with mites, and other problems. Their all going to the vet first thing tomorrow morning, but any advice will help.

Also, can our cats or other pets contract the mites from the snakes?

the denting of the eyes & shedding you can fix by soaking the snake in the tub in warm water.the might proble i will have to look up in my medical book.if you would like a copy of it .i can scan it in the morning & email it to you. good luck

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Also, can our cats or other pets contract the mites from the snakes?

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Cats CAN get mites....but the ear mites cats usually get are not the same kind of mites your snake would have...

Glad you're going to the vet...glad the snakes have a much better chance at a happy life....thank you for rescuing!!:)

please keep us posted on their progress

Thanks for the replies, all but one is soaking in their water bowls, which has warm water in it; Im pretty sure that they might also be dehydrated. Poor things, i'll post tomorrow afternoon on how the vet visit goes, i do not have any fecals to take so they will only be able to check out the snake unless they poop sometime tonight or on the way.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Thanks for the replies, all but one is soaking in their water bowls, which has warm water in it; Im pretty sure that they might also be dehydrated. Poor things, i'll post tomorrow afternoon on how the vet visit goes, i do not have any fecals to take so they will only be able to check out the snake unless they poop sometime tonight or on the way.

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They will soak to get relief from mites....you'll see them gather on the snakes heads while they soak....

poor things....i can tell you to try mite spray but you probably already know that....they seem to be in good hands...good rescue...:)

Snake mites will NOT infect mammals.

While your at the vet, it would be a good idea to get fecals on ALL of the snakes. Looks like you got yourself a big job there, please keep us posted.

I hope you are practicing very strict quarantine and already had their enclosures and substrate sprayed with prevent a mite.

500 miles? Where did you go to get these snakes? Did you also probe them to confirm they were female?

Provent-A-Mite is your best friend right now - order some online if you don't already have any. Dr. Brad Wilson is probably the best herp vet in the area - his number is 770-424-5484

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Snake mites will NOT infect mammals.

While your at the vet, it would be a good idea to get fecals on ALL of the snakes. Looks like you got yourself a big job there, please keep us posted.

I hope you are practicing very strict quarantine and already had their enclosures and substrate sprayed with prevent a mite.

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We talked to our vet and we need fecals, so were going to wait on them to poop, other wise all they will tell us is that they have mites which we already know. The one we think has RI will still be going.


Were going to pick up some PAM right now, we got home at around 1 last night so know one was open. No worrys about QT, we have that covered, they are not even at our house.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

500 miles? Where did you go to get these snakes? Did you also probe them to confirm they were female?

Provent-A-Mite is your best friend right now - order some online if you don't already have any. Dr. Brad Wilson is probably the best herp vet in the area - his number is 770-424-5484

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Yes, I sexed them. I got them in Alabama. I called that vet but the doctor is in a meeting so we did not get any information out of them

RI- would the snake keep its mouth open all the time or just sometimes? She keeps her mouth closed more than she does open, im off to the vet.

good luck!

So far so good, i gave them baths and ALOT of them came off. We put on the mite treatment so now all we can do is wait. The one with RI is blind in both eyes from a bad shed( were guessing that its been bad for along time)

This is going to take a while to fix, but its great helping them out. Were sure if he had them any longer they would have died.

Glad they are in a good home. good luck. keep us posted

It was great of you to take on this rescue, they will have much better lives now.. I rescued a female ball not to long ago that had mites, it was gross lol. Thankfully I believe they are all gone now. Make sure you change your clothes and everything before you mess with your own snakes. Even though they are at a different house they can still get on your clothing and be transferred long distances. I hope the poor little blind girl will be ok with her RI.. I have a blind cornsnake, hes really old and has cataracts, he just has trouble knowing when its feeding time sometimes. Sounds like you are doing everything right, so I am sure they will all be ok now..

Great thing you are doing here. I too am looking for adoptions in the Southern California area. Good luck with everything and keep us posted!

Have you tried Petfinder.com? I know there are shelters out there that are in need of fostering and adopting out many different reptiles. In my area I think there was something like 5 pages of reptiles that needed adoption...

Gave them their last bath of the day( they are dehydrated badly) and since the mite treatments been on them for a few hours there i saw both mites and when i think were eggs( very hard to see) I'll also try feeding in a few days, one of them is very skinny. Thank you for all the responces, the mites are already very down and they all look happy:)

I saw in chat that you're treating with Sevin Dust - you may want to go ahead and order some Provent-A-Mite and treat their enclosures when that comes in. I swear by the stuff!

Turns out the girls I picked up have mites too - I re-treated their enclosures today and took them outside and wiped them down with Reptile Relief to give them immediate relief. The "enchi-ish" one had it the worst. Thank goodness they are in QT and that I always re-treat my existing colony's enclosure whenever I bring in a new animal as a pre-caution. But now I need to order another can of PAM - this can lasted me 2 years!

Im ordering PAM asap, but untill then the sevin dust is working fine. Ouch, looks like mites is a common thing lately. I'll post pictures in a little bit.

I thought the Seven Dust was not recommended. Am I misunderstanding something here? When we got our BP, the bottom of the tank was very lightly dusted with the seven dust and then the substrate over that. I thought I read that the seven dust can cause neurological problems so I replaced everything in my tank right away and have not used it since.

When the store set up our tank, they used maybe a tablespoon or so to dust the bottom of a 20L tank. Is this safe or not?

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Originally Posted by TanyaL

I thought the Seven Dust was not recommended. Am I misunderstanding something here? When we got our BP, the bottom of the tank was very lightly dusted with the seven dust and then the substrate over that. I thought I read that the seven dust can cause neurological problems so I replaced everything in my tank right away and have not used it since.

When the store set up our tank, they used maybe a tablespoon or so to dust the bottom of a 20L tank. Is this safe or not?

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Tanya,

I personally wouldn't use it - because it's not designed to be used for reptiles. Beardeddragon would need to comment on why he chose to use it.

You are correct about the potential side-effects of sevin dust. It's really strong, very old-school stuff. When combined with moisture, it absorbs more readily through the skin. I saw a dog who was dusted with it while still wet from a bath...the dog presented to the ER actively seizing and did not respond to treatment. Due to financial constraints, the owners elected to euthanize.

Provent-a-mite or Frontline spray (not drops) are both much safer treatments. I personally have used Frontline as recommended by my friend who is the herp-keeper at the zoo here in town. I misted it lightly on the bedding and allowed it to dry completely before placing the snake on it. I also sprayed it on a paper towel, and while still damp, wiped the lower third of the snake's body with it. One treatment was sufficient, and no mites were visible after 12 hours. As a barrier, I sprayed it in a zone around the rack where the snake was being quarantined as well.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Tanya,

I personally wouldn't use it - because it's not designed to be used for reptiles. Beardeddragon would need to comment on why he chose to use it.

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If i had pam here right now i wouldnt use it, i lightly dusted their bodys and let it sit for three hours, wiped it off and and then rinsed, and then gave them a bath. Just in the tub there was alot of them plus what we think were eggs, so its working, and any we find on their bodys afterwards have been dead. After that we dust their newspaper with it.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

If i had pam here right now i wouldnt use it, i lightly dusted their bodys and let it sit for three hours, wiped it off and and then rinsed, and then gave them a bath. Just in the tub there was alot of them plus what we think were eggs, so its working, and any we find on their bodys afterwards have been dead. After that we dust their newspaper with it.

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Did you mean to say you would use it?

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

If i had pam here right now i wouldnt use it, i lightly dusted their bodys and let it sit for three hours, wiped it off and and then rinsed, and then gave them a bath. Just in the tub there was alot of them plus what we think were eggs, so its working, and any we find on their bodys afterwards have been dead. After that we dust their newspaper with it.

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By dusting their bodies with it, aren't you taking an even bigger chance of neruological problems? I understand you need to treat the mites but is it worth the risk? I'm not slamming you, I'm just trying to figure this seven-dust stuff out. I have a bag full of the stuff and refuse to use it based on what I've read. If anybody wants it, they can have it.

Sevens dust is more for a larger area, than a tub. Its for livestock, and dogs, I would be very carefull of using it on dogs even, let alone snakes. I would LIGHTLY dust the bottom of the tub then put aspen over it. Not on the animal. It does kill pests well though! Good luck with them.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Did you mean to say you would use it?

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As in If i had pam here i wouldnt use the sevin dust.sorry

There is a sevin five and a sevin ten, no way would i use the sevin ten, its so much more powerful.

Also, if you have mites im not sure that its a good idea to put aspen down as the substrate when your working with mites.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...738#post720738

Pictures! They are all doing better

Glad to see the snakes you rescued are better! i recently purchased my first ball python and after i got it home i realized it has mites. And the PAM is working great!

Oh, and one more thing... the bigger two might be gravid:O They were in with a adult male and one snake just shed( hopefully not a prelay shed) and the other one looked to be bowl wraping last night. They both look at times like they have lumps in them, or the just ate a big meal look.

this stuff is pretty new
http://www.proexotics.com/store/prod...cat=258&page=1

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Originally Posted by atp151415

this stuff is pretty new
http://www.proexotics.com/store/prod...cat=258&page=1

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Hi,

I thought I read in a post on here that that is the relaunch of black knight so is actually kinda old? :confused:

It's not a product I have any familiarity with just recognised the name.


dr del

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Originally Posted by atp151415

this stuff is pretty new
http://www.proexotics.com/store/prod...cat=258&page=1

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I used BKII on the advice of Mike from NERD and it worked wonderfully! I have not used PAM so I can't really compare it to that but the BKII is supposed to be safer than PAM if used correctly and it definitely kills the freakin mites which is all I cared about :D

Well, since this thread was bumped, is there another thread with an update on the girls, BD?