New Carpet Morphs

I have been hearing a lot lately that Carpets are going to be the next big morph thing, like BPs. What is out there? What is in the works?

Maybe a good reptile radio question?;););)

Well, Pat, where do I begin? LOL!

As for the Irian Jayas, currently the only proven mutation is the granite. Will Leary and a few others are working on one called the spider IJ. AC is working on one he calls the motley. It is similar to the spider trait but different.

As for jungles, the only proven morph is the zebra jungle. It is still currently in Europe and has a hefty price tag.

As for the coastals, there are a few. In the US, we have the tri-stripe and tiger. We also have a few different lines of stripes. More time is needed to determine if they are compatible to the other two or just different alleles of the same gene. In Europe, there is the axanthic (simple recessive) and the caramel (co-dom). In Oz, there is a hypomelanistic line of coastals. The jaguar is also considered a coastal morph but there is some speculation as to the true origin of the jaguar.

Bredli have a stripe line and a hypo morph.

Darwin carpets have an albino morph. This was strictly a Oz offspring but there is animals in Europe, supposedly smuggled.

This is the complete list as I know it.

Wow, Mike, thank you so much, answered more than one of myquestions without blinkin your eye!

Well, you know me, carpets are my passion! :D

Thanx Mike!!!!

Im trying to rally people to go to San Diego Reptile show! pack your crap now!

Here are a few morphs http://www.spectacularcarpetpythons....tion_page.html my favorite the Super Tiger Jaguar :gj:

www.moreliapythons.com Come join the family :salute:

Pat, I realized that I did not totally answer your question.

Will carpets be the next big thing?? That is a tough one to answer. Everyone has tried to find the next big thing. People believed the blood pythons were it. I believe it is a combination of both.
As more and more laws get passed and more regulations against large constrictors become more common, people will look toward a smaller species to keep. Carpets and bloods fill the big, but not too big, snakes.
People will have their favorites but I do believe that both of these will fill a niche in that void. Most people pass carpets by for a more flashier snake(s), but those that do get one, wind up getting more. Just like ball morphitis!! LOL!

Hope this answered all your original questions.

in addition to everything mpenn said, there are a growing number of combo morphs that have their own unique look... super tiger-jags, tiger-jags, granite jags, IJ jags, jungle jags, tiger x tri stripe, leucistic (almost :), etc. that combined with the fact that 'normal' carpets are a million times for variable than a 'normal' ball could mean that in the next few years we could see some great stuff. i know i'm excited... the only 'downside' i see is that carpets have so many eggs there could be a lot of 'unwanted' normal offspring if people chose to breed irresponsibly.

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Originally Posted by kzooherpetoculturist

in addition to everything mpenn said, there are a growing number of combo morphs that have their own unique look... super tiger-jags, tiger-jags, granite jags, IJ jags, jungle jags, tiger x tri stripe, leucistic (almost :), etc. that combined with the fact that 'normal' carpets are a million times for variable than a 'normal' ball could mean that in the next few years we could see some great stuff. i know i'm excited... the only 'downside' i see is that carpets have so many eggs there could be a lot of 'unwanted' normal offspring if people chose to breed irresponsibly.

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I disagree with your last statement. I do not believe it is the "unwanted" normal offspring but rather the "unwanted" hybrid siblings from the jaguar breeding. Very, and I mean very few people would breed an IJ to a jungle or coastal to an IJ just to do it. But when the jag is thrown in, people think it is acceptable. What is to become of the offspring from such breedings??

As far as the leucy, I seriously doubt a living healthy one will ever be produced. Compare the jag to the spider ball. They are both a co-dom morph with neuro problems. Some worse than others. I believe they are both carriers of a lethal gene and hence no supers. While we have actually witnessed the super form of the jag, the leucy, it has not survived beyond a few hours.

well actually thats pretty much what i meant, sounds like you dont disagree at all :) they're 'unwanted', because of the fact that when they dont show the desirable traits they are just useless intergrades to most. i was just elduding to the fact that in a jag breeding you can end up with 15 examples, rather than say, 3.
as far as the leucy goes, i agree that there probably wont be a living one from the jag genes but i wouldnt be surprised if it cropped up somewhere else down the road... the first gen STJ's sure are a step in the direction of a patternless carpet at least. personally i think the red phase coastals are nicer than any 'morph' at the moment... although i like the morphs too!
cheers,
colin vestrand

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Originally Posted by kzooherpetoculturist

well actually thats pretty much what i meant, sounds like you dont disagree at all :) they're 'unwanted', because of the fact that when they dont show the desirable traits they are just useless intergrades to most. i was just elduding to the fact that in a jag breeding you can end up with 15 examples, rather than say, 3.
as far as the leucy goes, i agree that there probably wont be a living one from the jag genes but i wouldnt be surprised if it cropped up somewhere else down the road... the first gen STJ's sure are a step in the direction of a patternless carpet at least. personally i think the red phase coastals are nicer than any 'morph' at the moment... although i like the morphs too!
cheers,
colin vestrand

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Colin, I wasn't aware that was you. Small world huh?
Yeah, I guess we look at it the same way.
And yeah, the STJ's are SWEET!!!! The closest thing to a ghost and patternless carpet we will see for some time!
And you mean like this?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...73/8F-CP07.jpg

heck yeah!

Here is the sire of my Striped Jungle Carpet I am trying to prove out! :D

His name is Skunk.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/snake001.jpg

I have been doing my best to educate people about the wonderful world of Morelia. I personally feel that, for most people, an IJ, coastal or jungle is a better "first" snake than a ball python. Most are fantastic feeders, they're not all that temperamental and they tend to spend more time out basking and just hanging out.

Maybe one day we'll see lots of them in people's collections :-)

hey guys, hope you don't mind if i bring up an old post...

it seems that there are a growing number of morph possibilities for carpets now that the 08's are hatching out.
the super form of the zebra carpet being the most fantastic in my opinion... like mike mentioned above, the general thought was that we wouldn't see a patternless carpet for some time, but it looks like it may already be here!
if the next few years go like i think and hope they will, then carpets really will be the next 'big thing'.

Yes, power to the zebras!!! So many cool things to look forward to over the next few years in the carpet morph arena!!!

Looks like the IJ's now have two morphs the granite and caramel albino. Hoping for more.

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

hey guys, hope you don't mind if i bring up an old post...

it seems that there are a growing number of morph possibilities for carpets now that the 08's are hatching out.
the super form of the zebra carpet being the most fantastic in my opinion... like mike mentioned above, the general thought was that we wouldn't see a patternless carpet for some time, but it looks like it may already be here!
if the next few years go like i think and hope they will, then carpets really will be the next 'big thing'.

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Would love to see some pics! :D

Yeah some 08's are gonna be pretty smokin

zebra is pretty smokin!!!

http://www.ukpythons.com/collectiondt.asp?ID=24

The super form of the Zebra is even better...

http://74.220.207.106/~moreliap/foru...ad.php?t=20130

I can't wait to see what happens as it sheds and starts to develop color.

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Originally Posted by dalvers63

http://74.220.207.106/~moreliap/foru...ad.php?t=20130

I can't wait to see what happens as it sheds and starts to develop color.

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I hope your right, I think its kinda ugly personally.

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Originally Posted by dalvers63

The super form of the Zebra is even better...

http://74.220.207.106/~moreliap/foru...ad.php?t=20130

I can't wait to see what happens as it sheds and starts to develop color.

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FREAKIN WICKED!!!!!

i also cant wait to see what the super tiger-jag x tiger-jag will look like... i'm betting will see that in 09!

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Originally Posted by djansen

I hope your right, I think its kinda ugly personally.

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If it holds true to how jungles develop, all of the silver will turn yellow. If that happens, it is gonna rival the nicest jags out there!

I hope the zebra gets more established in the US. They are the only JCP that I would like to have in my collection. :)

i know of two US breeders that have them currently... and you know what happens with co-dom morphs. only takes a few years till everyone that wants one has them!

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i know of two US breeders that have them currently... and you know what happens with co-dom morphs. only takes a few years till everyone that wants one has them!

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who has them? are they expensive?

in their collections...not for sale.

they're about $16,000 a pop from UK pythons last i checked. you could email Paul Harris to see if he's got any left.

I imported the group of Zebras that just came in last week. There are a few of us that have them now , myself included.

I also have a few other new animals as well and will be importing another shipment in the fall with even more good stuff.

Deb, I will bring my zebra to the Seattle show so you can check him out.

Nick

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Deb, I will bring my zebra to the Seattle show so you can check him out.

Nick

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Thanks, Nick! I really like the look of the zebra over the standard JCP. Nice to know that you have some, it will make it easier for me to get some in the future.

can't wait 'til October now :D

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Originally Posted by MPenn

but those that do get one, wind up getting more. Just like ball morphitis!! LOL!

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oh i like that... new favorite disease lol


any ways, i think carpets just like MPenn said, will fill that void that people will have when our government goes crazy... bleh. but i do know that if i didnt have a limit, i would deff have a couple more pairs around my house, they are IMO some of the sweetest snakes i have ever come into contact with.

i tell people they are like big soft lovable dogs smooshed into a snake's body...

but then again, ball pythons are also a huge thing partially because of their smaller size. i mean, thats a big reason BPs are one of my faves is the fact that they will never be as big as my rainbow boa... but then again, thats why i love the carpets -- the fact that they get kinda big, but most of the time, with the time you put into them, they are big soft lumps of snake lol

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...and what's really great is the variability of all of these carpets. You can selectively breed for just about any trait that you wish. People have been selectively breeding jungle carpets for years for clean black and yellow, there has been some selective breeding in IJs for a lighter, more rust colored python, selective breeding across the board for striping, and the list goes on and on.

As carpets become more popular, and more morphs are proven, these selective bred traits also have a place in these projects. It seems every clutch that hatches, the breeder has something unique and slightly different to offer.

You never just produce all normals with these pythons, there's always something a little different. Every carpet collection is vastly different than the next, which you can't always say with other python species.

Hop over to moreliapythons.com and check out the clutches that are hatched - it's crazy how variable they are.

Here's an example of clutchmates, and how different they can be.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...c2__120307.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil..._12_012308.jpg

It's great stuff - not only all the morphs, but getting into carpets you soon realize that producing cool and different pythons isn't just isolated to breeding & producing the outstanding morphs - it's across the board.

Shea Peterson
www.petersonreptiles.com

That second coastal is stunning


Nick