Pls Help Me Look At This Pic

ok i got this snake today the lady told me it was a pastel it does not look like one to me its not very yellow i got him anyways hes 6 months old cuz i wanna breed him next year with my female shes 3 and shes just a REg ballpython so what is this snake? a fire ball? yellow belly? a Reg? heres pics also when he gets older will he get more yellow/cream ? what do you guys think of this snake good buy or not?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...30-07_2011.jpg

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post some pics that are more clear. those are a little bit hard to see.

Hard to say from those pics, but from what I can see, it looks like a pastel to me. Not a spectacular representative of the morph...but they don't have to be in order to still be a pastel. ;)

My vote would be possibly pastel. It's just browned out a lot.
Better pics would be grand.

Sorry about the pics im taking them with my cell phone cuz my camra broke so is he a pastel? and he is the sweetist snake ever my female bits this snake i can do w.e wont do a damn thing and if i breed him to my Reg ball will half the babies come out pastel and will the morph get crappy cuz he dont have alot of pastel in him or will the babies come out better looking then him? heres aother pic http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...31-07_0226.jpg

If he's a pastel, then you should be able to get some pastels. Some maybe amazing compared to him- some not so amazing. It just all depends. Generaly, the pastels with more orange tend to brown out more than just yellow ones.

ok heres my other Question hes half a year or a year im not sure when can i breed this lil fella do i have to wait till next year? such a long wait :(

Mines six months and breeding (or attempting, anyway), as long as their healthy and at a healthy weight to breed. But if you are going to, then I suggest that you quarintine first AND get a vet chack done to make sure that he is healthy and that he, is in fact, a he.

i kno he is a he for a fact. but it wont hurt to tak him in its that time of the year can i put him with my reg ball? and see what happens

Yea, you could put him in with her- but it can be dangerous to do without quarantine first- people have dont that and have lost many snakes. A friend of mine got aburmese and had it vet chacked and it seemed healthy- but it did have somethething wrong with it and after only having the snake a month it wiped out over half of their collection- and it wasnt even in contact with the other snakes- just in the same ROOM!!

So always be cautious- 90/3month, minimum, quarantine.

Looks like a dark pastel to me.... :)

i dont have 90 days to wait around i kinda need to get him in there if i can they both came from the same place and im pretty sure he dont have anything thing so sould i risk it? i mean i love my babies who dont if i have to waitfor there health i will but id rather not

i dont wanna put my male in with the female if shes gonna whipe his azz or somthing i mean shes mean to me and hes sweet but what should i do put him in? or take her out and put them both in somthing els for a while or what

He might be a pastel. Do you have any pics of his head? Also what did you pay for him. Is there any way for you to weigh him? About breeding weights, I havent bred a male under 800g. Im not saying you shouldnt do it or it cant be done. I just havent tried. They can stop eating during breeding. If he is to small and he stops eating it could kill him. If hes to small and the female is much bigger then that can stress him out. Breeding can be alot of stress on the animals. Also what is the size of your female is she big enough and old enough. For me I wont breed a female under 2000g and 2 years of age. A male under 800. I would do the qt even if they came from the same place you never know. Also you need to give him time to settle in and all that. Time for him to get use to his new home.

Whats the hurry to get them breeding? Its better to have him healthy and settled in. Than to rush him and have him end up die. Or having something and passing it onto your female and you end up loosing both of them. There should be no reason to rush them.

I'd say you should really quarantine for at least 30 days... Is it worth the possibility of losing your female if he does have something?

when u say that u mean dont even let them in the same room? cuz there in the same room and hes small im not gonna try it i put em both in same cage and ym female could eat him 10x times over lol so il wait till next year i hope we dun have anything cuz they lived n same room and they have been in same tank befor who knows.
ya i paid 50 for him and there no way to tell his weight i wanna get somthing tho got any ideas? where i can get one?

Just from the picture of him in your hand. To me I would say its a bit small to try to breed. Alot of people on here will tell you he is big enough. Some people have bred males smaller than that or about that size. It has worked for some and not for others. Its really up to you I wouldnt breed him others might. It all comes down to what you want to do. Everything might be ok then it might not be. I bought one of these scales http://www.reptilebasics.com/My-Weig...l-p-16191.html
It has worked great for me. Also the guy shipped it out fast great place to buy from. I will buy from them again.

so if he does have somthing how long befor he kills my snake and how do i kno if he has anything hes 6 months old how the heck can he have somthing but ya neva kno i guess =/


so was 50 a good deal for him or not?

He might not have anything. You can always take him to a vet and have him checked out. The Qt is just to be safe. Just in case he does have something its better to keep him away from your other snakes. So they dont get it to. Ive never had a snake that I put in Qt that has ended up being sick. Its just to be safe. Since you got him from a petshop its a good thing to do. Where he came from, how the breeders that hatched him kept there animals. You never know someone could have came in the shop they have snakes, they have mites or something. They ask to check out the snake they pass it onto him. Yeah 50 sounds like a good price.

i understandwhere you guys are coming from the thing is its lil to late they have been in same tank :( and i mean he dont have alot of yellow in him but hes the coolest snake i have ever owned sweet boy just likes to chill ya kno? so he was worth it to me i just kinda want some babies i guess i have to wait till next year whats the latest i can breed? or can i breed all year if i cool the tank down some how.

Here are a few links to help some.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30890
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=49580
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55998
http://www.8ballpythons.com/journal/...ngcalendar.htm

There might not be anything wrong with him. I wasnt and dont think anyone else was saying that anything was. Its just good to Keep new snakes away from others just in case there is something wrong. If something pops up just get them into a vet.

Here are a few more
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55849
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56846
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43936
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30763

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

i dont have 90 days to wait around i kinda need to get him in there if i can they both came from the same place and im pretty sure he dont have anything thing so sould i risk it? i mean i love my babies who dont if i have to waitfor there health i will but id rather not

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If you care about the health of your animals - you DO have 90 days to wait. You can't be "pretty sure" he doesn't have anything. Are you hoping to sell his offspring? Because I don't know many people who will be willing to buy from you if they know that you put the rush to breed before the health of your animals.

I've got a mojave male - I'd LOVE to breed him. He's in Quarantine and he still has two more months to go. I know and trust the person I got him from - that still doesn't mean he's not in quarantine. ALL new animals - ALL of them should be quarantined, no matter who the source is.

There is alot of stuff to do before you can get babies. Getting an Incubator is a big one. Making sure the animals are ready to breed. Dont rush it and take your time learn all you can. Read everything you can. That way you will be ready for anything when its time to breed them. This is a great place to learn how to do things. There are tons of great people on here. Most of them are more than willing to help out. Just ask

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

i understandwhere you guys are coming from the thing is its lil to late they have been in same tank :( and i mean he dont have alot of yellow in him but hes the coolest snake i have ever owned sweet boy just likes to chill ya kno? so he was worth it to me i just kinda want some babies i guess i have to wait till next year whats the latest i can breed? or can i breed all year if i cool the tank down some how.

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You sound like you have a lot of basic husbandry that you need to get down before you even think of breeding. Take the next year and learn from the members here. Breed next year if you still want to. Besides just putting snakes together, you need to have an incubator, a thermostat to run that incubator, baby tubs to set the babies up in, another thermostat to run the baby rack, you need to learn how to start new hatchlings on food - just the questions you're asking here are very basic questions that someone going into breeding should already know.

ok so next year what do i do with my paste now even tho he has been in same tank with my Norm still QT him? wouldnt she have got somthing if he had it or no?

Yes, you should still quarantine. And keep an eye on the female to make sure she doesn't get sick in case he is carrying anything (like mites).

any way i can check for mites and i kno they live under the scales other then that id ont kno much but i would like to kno where i can get thos clear things they keep the snakes in there not very big looks like a dresser i think i kno why ppl use that to help with the Temps and stuff right? i mean it is gonna be hard to keep temps right in a 55GL tank

Well im no expert on things balls can get. How much contact one needs with another to catch it. That I will have to leave for someone else. I would think (not 100% sure on this) but the longer he is in with her. If he does have anything the better the chance of her getting it would be. As for next year if you want to breed there is tons of info on here about breeding. Study up learn all you can in that year. Then make sure you have everything you will need when/if you breed. Incubator, cages for the babies. Like said in an earlier post or your other post. There is alot more to breeding than just putting to snake together. Im sure some people on here can point you to a few good books. A year is a long time you have more than enough time to learn what you need to and be ready for it. Things you might want to search for or ask about. Breeding, Incubation, proper care of the animals so they are the right weight and healthy for breeding. Just hang out here on bp.net for a year. Im sure you will be ready by then. Take care have a good night im off to bed.

thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

any way i can check for mites and i kno they live under the scales other then that id ont kno much but i would like to kno where i can get thos clear things they keep the snakes in there not very big looks like a dresser i think i kno why ppl use that to help with the Temps and stuff right? i mean it is gonna be hard to keep temps right in a 55GL tank

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You're talking about a snake rack, those are used to save space. Most of them use many tubs. And yes, with tubs it will be easier to control the temp/humidity. Either way you need to get a much smaller enclosure. A 55 gal is way too big for either of your BPs.

ok i got a clear stand with clear drawers how do i make it a snack rack? i mean how they get air and is it really big rnuff for them to live and move around i dont see how

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

i dont have 90 days to wait around i kinda need to get him in there if i can they both came from the same place and im pretty sure he dont have anything thing so sould i risk it? i mean i love my babies who dont if i have to waitfor there health i will but id rather not

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What do you mean by not having 90 days to wait? This snake needs to be quarantined, and I would suggest treating it with provent-a-mite, along with any new arrivals, first off. Mites are an ugly thing; best to nip them in the bud.
60-90 days of quarantine is just something that comes with the territory.

You mentioned they came from the same place?
What sort of drawers/rack did you get?
You should wait on breeding, and try to keep those apart so as to not pass anything back and forth.

i did i moved the pastel to the living room my Norm is in my bed room il leave my pastel out here for 3 4 months i didnt get any racks yet im trying to find out what to buy i got this plastic shelf thingy i can get some tubs and set the tubs on so i might do that mightbe better but what do you think of him? i mean is it a good buy for what i paid for him or not?

Again, kind of hard to be sure, but it does look like a pastel, so you got a nice deal.
I don't know what shelf thing you got, or what tubs, so it's hard to say.

what size tub is big enuff for a big female and a male

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what size tub is big enuff for a big female and a male

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He looks small. He would do well in a 12 qt or 28 qt tub, and the female you have not mentioned weight or size, so in general, she would do well in a 28 unless she is a monster.

You can order flexwatt and a helix thermostat from reptilebasics.
If you need set up help, there are a few stickies in the caging section with very well shot and written rack set ups.

I agree, worry about your QT first, husbandry, and the health and temperament of both snakes before you try breeding.

There is no rush, read and learn about this years pairings, and follow the threads as the season progresses, you'll learn a thing or two before you start next Nov. ;)

thanks lot my female im guessing shes 1500 grams give or take but right now they have no lights on they have no heat and no Hum i need to get this stuff but its kinda hard when there both in huge ttanks and my male is in QT so i can set my rack up then put him in there and just leave my female in the 55 for a whil till after QT

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thanks lot my female im guessing shes 1500 grams give or take but right now they have no lights on they have no heat and no Hum i need to get this stuff but its kinda hard when there both in huge ttanks and my male is in QT so i can set my rack up then put him in there and just leave my female in the 55 for a whil till after QT

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You've had the girl for 2 years with no heat source? Where the heck do you live? The tropics? lol

edit, and yes, the female should do fine in a 28 qt tub. Unless you want something bigger. Up to you.

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You've had the girl for 2 years with no heat source? Where the heck do you live? The tropics? lol

edit, and yes, the female should do fine in a 28 qt tub. Unless you want something bigger. Up to you.

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NONONONONON u got me wrong she has a pan light with a 60 watt bulb just no heat pad

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NONONONONON u got me wrong she has a pan light with a 60 watt bulb just no heat pad

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Ahhh, okay. That may be why she's weezing, try and get her warm as soon as you can.

eh? hmmm so a 28q for my female and just put some air holes in the side i got a rack but im Qting them for 3 months whats the best heat i can get and wher can i get a Hum thingy that makes the Hum%lvls go up and will read them

whats heat tape? hows it work u hook it up to somthing? is it good info pls :)

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=50959

Check out this thread, I hope it's what your looking for.

As for the humidity, you control it by how many holes are in the tub, if any. We use substrate to help keep the levels up in ours, there are many different ways to do it.

You can buy thermometer/hygrometers at walmart for 12$. they also come with a probe to put on the hot spot.

no holes how wont they die lol i have to use a lid on my tub cuz il be setting the tubs on a shelf

flexwatt this is the heating stuff right? like how much and can i get it some where els like at a store

Flexwatt isn't readily available in a store, but reptile basics carries it, and he can even wire it up for you.

If your using lids, then yes, you will need many holes. We have everyone on our shelfs with a gap between the shelf and the tub, so we dont need any holes.

how big of a gap? ..aslo like i dont wanna spend 200 bucks on a Hum thing to make the Hum go up i dont see the need in that i mean if the Hum is not right could this coz a problem??????

No, you dont need a humidifier thing. Amount of holes or gap, substrate, water bowl size and misting are all easier and better than a humidifier specifically for the tubs themselves.

We have I think is 3/16 of an inch... it varies a little. We wanted it to be about 1/8 of an inch. lol