SuperBall = Blood X Ball

Hey guys, I was doing some research, and i have been wanting to get a blood python after xmas, and then i was talking to someone on here if the blood and the ball were able to bump ugly's and actually produce something, and he gave me this link.
http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/super.html
and I read that,I actually really like these guys, but i cant really find any out there or anymore info on it. So to those who know more bout these than me(alot of you do) and know any bout breeding these two pythons together please help me answer some of my questions of any input would be great. thanks.
1. Any Possible issues to worry bout when breedig these guys?
2. Whats the market like for these?
What do you think bout the Super ball?
Thanks Guys in Advance.

Superball = Borneo short-tail Python x Ball python.....Not Blood python x Ball Python......

I would worry about any issues that involve hybrids...genetics, ethics, and how other people think of hybridizing reptiles. Personally, I don't see the point. It muddies the waters and has some people asking questions like "what kinda hybrid is that" when they see a new cool 100% ball python morph. Eventually you end up with a bunched of mixed species animals out there and noone knows for sure if the animals are pure. It has happened with lots of other reptile species and always complicates things.

I think the market for hybrids has to be pretty low, but who knows. Why would you want a hybrid ball python when there are so many cool morphs that are 100% ball python?

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Why would you want a hybrid ball python when there are so many cool morphs that are 100% ball python?

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perfect question!

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Why would you want a hybrid ball python when there are so many cool morphs that are 100% ball python?

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Why would you want a ball python morph when there are so many cool ball python hybrids??

why get a superball when any blood/bst/sst is so cool by itself?

In the greater scheme of things I understand why hybrids have a negative impact on the market... however I have no moral problem against creating hybrids. I personnaly love the superball as it has a distinct pattern, medium girth, with a slightly more agressive looking face compared to the puppy dog ballpython look. Just if your going to breed them, document them well and make sure if they ever change hands they are not misrepresented.

most hybrids that I've seen have been microchipped, which makes identification much easier... but all it takes is irresponsible breeders to screw all that up...

daniel contrary to your comment left on your negative rep to me, my question was not meant to be sarcastic and was only meant to represent the opinions out there other than your own. you may feel that there is no reason to own a hybrid ball when there are so many ball morphs out there but others may not have the same negativity towards hybrids as you and may enjoy the experience of caring for such an animal. try to understand that a response to one of your posts is not a personal attack and that it may possibly be the start of a discussion.

and to answer your question that was also left on your negative rep towards me: i do believe that being a smarta$$ is not a Canadian custom. (although i could be wrong...)

but i do appreciate your effort to try to educate youreself "aboot" your neighbours from the north.

thanks!

Wow, thanks for everyone’s input on it. I would love to get my hands on some awesome ball morphs, but the market is crazy high on them. I would love a albino Ball, but can’t spend 800 bucks on a snake. I wish I could, any and all morphs are just really pricey. Unless someone knows :please: where I can get one at a good deal? Any help would be great. Thanks. Sorry for the Arguments that were started.

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Originally Posted by cody2004

Wow, thanks for everyone’s input on it. I would love to get my hands on some awesome ball morphs, but the market is crazy high on them. I would love a albino Ball, but can’t spend 800 bucks on a snake. I wish I could, any and all morphs are just really pricey. Unless someone knows :please: where I can get one at a good deal? Any help would be great. Thanks. Sorry for the Arguments that were started.

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pick up some hets :D

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Originally Posted by casperca

pick up some hets :D

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I looked at some, and maybe the places i been looking are wrong, but they still seem to be high, where do yall shop at?

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Originally Posted by cody2004

Wow, thanks for everyone’s input on it. I would love to get my hands on some awesome ball morphs, but the market is crazy high on them. I would love a albino Ball, but can’t spend 800 bucks on a snake. I wish I could, any and all morphs are just really pricey. Unless someone knows :please: where I can get one at a good deal? Any help would be great. Thanks. Sorry for the Arguments that were started.

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super balls aren't going to be any cheaper than the ball morphs and as far as marketability, there are many many people, including me that would never buy a hybrid. So your market to sell offspring just shrank considerably.

Justin

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Originally Posted by cody2004

Wow, thanks for everyone’s input on it. I would love to get my hands on some awesome ball morphs, but the market is crazy high on them. I would love a albino Ball, but can’t spend 800 bucks on a snake. I wish I could, any and all morphs are just really pricey. Unless someone knows :please: where I can get one at a good deal? Any help would be great. Thanks. Sorry for the Arguments that were started.

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You'd have a FAR easier (and likely less expensive) time of working toward your own BP morphs than you would trying to get hybrids from snakes that don't normally breed together. Yes, it's been done and can be done...but that doesn't mean it'll happen just because you happen to put two of them together.

Figure out which ball python morphs you like best...and then figure out a plan to work toward getting them. Either way...working with morph hets, or different species...you're looking at years of planning and growing and breeding anyhow. Once you know what morphs you want to work on having in your own collection, call a variety of breeders and ask their advice on achieving your goals. Many offer payment plans if you want a visual morph right away, like a pastel or spider...or if you want a pricier het. And you can't really judge by the prices you see on the websites because most often those are not kept up to date. Your best bet for finding great deals is to get to know folks and contact them directly.

While there may be a few individuals who have the blessing of being able to go out and spend tons of money on whatever visual morphs they want right off the bat....the truth is that MOST of us have to plan carefully and be very patient and willing to put years of work into building our collection to reach those "dream" animals.

think you got the wrong idea bud, not looking to sell anything. And what you and the other people buy or wont buy, is non of my business. Theres to many people out there selling snakes. I personally dont really see anything wrong with hybrids, I buy one if i found one i like priced right. All i was trying to do with starting this thread was get peoples input on the SuperBall, to me, it looks like a really cool snake. What my second and third post was bout was if anyone knew where i could find some morphs at a good price, and thanks to who said that i should look at HET's, was a good bit of help. And now i have one more question....
WHY ARE THE FEMALE 75 times more expensive than the MALE??? :confused: And thanks for your input.:gj:

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Originally Posted by JLC

You'd have a FAR easier (and likely less expensive) time of working toward your own BP morphs than you would trying to get hybrids from snakes that don't normally breed together. Yes, it's been done and can be done...but that doesn't mean it'll happen just because you happen to put two of them together.

Figure out which ball python morphs you like best...and then figure out a plan to work toward getting them. Either way...working with morph hets, or different species...you're looking at years of planning and growing and breeding anyhow. Once you know what morphs you want to work on having in your own collection, call a variety of breeders and ask their advice on achieving your goals. Many offer payment plans if you want a visual morph right away, like a pastel or spider...or if you want a pricier het. And you can't really judge by the prices you see on the websites because most often those are not kept up to date. Your best bet for finding great deals is to get to know folks and contact them directly.

While there may be a few individuals who have the blessing of being able to go out and spend tons of money on whatever visual morphs they want right off the bat....the truth is that MOST of us have to plan carefully and be very patient and willing to put years of work into building our collection to reach those "dream" animals.

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I see what your saying, and i like that, So lets say what i really want, is a albino. and my "other half" wont let me shell out alot of money for my snakes. im lucky i got a room for them, haha. So what would be the best way to go about getting my little albino guy?

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Originally Posted by cody2004

I see what your saying, and i like that, So lets say what i really want, is a albino. and my "other half" wont let me shell out alot of money for my snakes. im lucky i got a room for them, haha. So what would be the best way to go about getting my little albino guy?

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You can buy a pair of het albinos for $300 or less. That would get you on your way to having an albino the cheapest route, but your still looking at 3+ years before you actually produce your first albino. By then they will likely not cost much more than $300 (of course you won't get the AWESOME experience of producing one yourself). If you look hard enough you can probably find an albino in the $600 ballpark. Not saying that's cheap, but compared to some of the other morphs it is.

Hope that helps!

Justin

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Originally Posted by cody2004

And now i have one more question....
WHY ARE THE FEMALE 75 times more expensive than the MALE??? :confused: And thanks for your input.:gj:

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You only need one male to fertilize many females, so females have a higher demand and a higher price.

if youre interested in a ball morph for a good deal then search the net for reptile shows taking place in your area. you may be able to find a ball you like and get a deal there.

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Originally Posted by cody2004

So what would be the best way to go about getting my little albino guy?

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This is a tough question to answer. There isn't really a best way. Either way you do it, with hets or shelling out a lump sum for one, you're going to be spending a considerable amount of money. Maybe not all at once, in the case of the hets, but if you factor in raising up the female and male for three years (two cages, twice the food, etc.) until you can breed them, that's twice as much money you will spend in care in just that time. Then, you will need to spend money on an incubator, and caging for each baby that you produce, plus food and all that good stuff until you find homes for them.
I just wanted to bring all of this up because I didn't remember reading that you were looking to breed the snakes. Just to keep an albino as a pet? If that is the case, I would recomend saving up your money until the end of next summer when a lot of the 08 babies will be hatched out. By then, the price may have gone down some (I will not comment on what it might be because I cannot predict what the market will do). Then you have a few options, you can hunt around online for a good price, or you can go to a reptile show and possibly get a better deal.
Anyway, that's just a few ideas to toss around in your head. Hope that helps.

yes it does. thanks so much. tanks and food arnt a problem. Breeding them, i have considered it, but i got some learning to do before i breed them, guess i got 3 years to learn! prolly after Xmas i'll see what money i get and prolly go from there. thanks guys.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

why get a superball when any blood/bst/sst is so cool by itself?

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SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!! :gj:

those are fricken wicked

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

why get a superball when any blood/bst/sst is so cool by itself?

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Amen. :)