Any superstripe experts out there?

Does this little girl look like the co-dom/het other ingredient that makes the superstripe when combined with a yellowbelly


http://www.bluegrassreptiles.com/images/bpfromgib.jpg

Not an expert - but I thought I heard Ralph say that there are belly markers too? I'm interested as well.

Going to move this to Morphs and Genetics for you! ;)

Larry, I don't own any het ss, but I've been fortunate to inspect a bunch in person. Lets see a belly shot. From the top, I'd say your headed in the right direction.

Justin

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

Larry, I don't own any het ss, but I've been fortunate to inspect a bunch in person. Lets see a belly shot. From the top, I'd say your headed in the right direction.

Justin

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OOooh, I'm going to pick your brain when we come up there!

Larry, both Ralph and Jared told me that they thought this one that I have looks like it could produce superstripes. I don't have a female yellowbelly to try him out on, but he's breeding a couple of spare girls that I have now just to see if I can get more that look like him.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ewballmike.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2.../frommike2.jpg

Sorry, I don't have a belly shot. He's been breeding a lot lately and I don't want to disturb him.

Mark

Ralph showed me a het ss in person. To be honest, I didnt see one thing that would let me pick it out of a group, lol. They are so subtle. But good luck!!!

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

Larry, I don't own any het ss, but I've been fortunate to inspect a bunch in person. Lets see a belly shot. From the top, I'd say your headed in the right direction.

Justin

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Thanks everyone! Justin I'll get you belly pic soon. I really think she's got the goods but we'll see.

I've seen 1 in person, so certainly not an expert. But a couple of points for what they are worth or not:

1. Its believed that the super stripe was stumbled on be several different people in attempts to produce ivory from imports. So it seems reasonable that the specter (the other ingredient) is similar to the yellow belly.

2. The one I saw was rather yellow dorsally, like a yellow belly.

3. It had a mostly clear belly, maybe just not as well defined edges as the yellow belly.

4. I seem to remember fading in the few wide areas in the dorsal dark pattern but then I'm not much of a yellow belly expert either, is that one of their characteristics?

5. The guy that was showing it to me mentioned the side patterns lining up across the dorsal. That is, there was a tendency for the side patterns to look as if one band went from one side to the next underneath the dorsal pattern. I had never really picked up on this with yellow bellies before, anyone else notice that?

But still I think I would also not be able to pick them out and this one may or may not have been very typical. I do have an older import that I picked out because of her brightness that has some of these characteristics so if I can get her up to size maybe I'll get a chance to test it out but I hadn’t really nailed down what she might be if anything in relation to proven morphs.

Can someone point me in the direction of a pic of a homozygous superstripe?...

A super stripe is a combo snake, one copy yellow belly + one copy specter.

We know the homozygous yellow belly is an ivory, which seems to have a faint yellow or off white dorsal stripe.

I don't think anyone knows what the homozygous specter looks like yet (the previous posts are just trying to find out what the newly unveiled heterozygous version of the specter looks like).

We also don't know what sort of relationship, if any, might exist between the yellow belly and specter mutations. Given the similarities in appearance, and that to me the ivory and super stripe both seem to share striping; I would not be surprised if they are alleles - different mutations of the same gene. That would be similar to the relationship which appears to exist between lesser, mojave, phantom, and other members of that apparent allele group. If yellow belly and specter are allele then super stripe X super stripe would produce eggs with the following odds:

25% chance ivory
50% chance super stripe
25% chance homozygous specter

It's also quite possible that specter and yellow belly are unrelated mutations of different genes and just happen to make a cool combo, like cinnamon and pastel in the pewter. If this is the case (and they aren’t close together on the same chromosome), then super stripe X super stripe would produce eggs with the following odds:

1:16 double homozygous (Ivory and the yet unknown homozygous specter)
1:8 Ivory specter
1:16 Ivory
1:8 homozygous specter yellow belly
1:4 super stripe
1:8 yellow belly
1:16 homozygous specter
1:8 specter
1:16 normal

It will be fun to see how this unfolds.

Thats some great info Randy! Thanks brother. I need to give you a buzz sometime. larry

Jared Horenstein looked at a couple pics including belly shots and said "Not likely"

Oh well......

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Originally Posted by Larry Suttles

Jared Horenstein looked at a couple pics including belly shots and said "Not likely"

Oh well......

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ok man, I assume that you're still going to try putting her to a yb down the road... one of those "couldn't hurt" situations... :)
Justin

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

ok man, I assume that you're still going to try putting her to a yb down the road... one of those "couldn't hurt" situations... :)
Justin

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I agree 100%, do it anyway.... you have nothing to lose and all to gain!

I dunno what it is but it sure is a pretty snake larry...where did you aquire such a fine specimen??

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Originally Posted by Gib

I dunno what it is but it sure is a pretty snake larry...where did you aquire such a fine specimen??

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a lady friend of mine gave her to me as a Chrismas present:D:D

HAHAHAHAHA

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Jared Horenstein looked at a couple pics including belly shots and said "Not likely"

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I really don't see the difference between yours and mine. I guess I'll have to get some belly shots and post them up, maybe mines not really a specter either. He's already breeding anyway though so it'll still be interesting to see what happens.

Mark

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

ok man, I assume that you're still going to try putting her to a yb down the road... one of those "couldn't hurt" situations... :)
Justin

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I think there is differently something going on with her. But then again don't we all have animals we say that about..lol everybody has a rack of "could be's"

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

I agree 100%, do it anyway.... you have nothing to lose and all to gain!

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Yea I will so we'll see

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I really don't see the difference between yours and mine. I guess I'll have to get some belly shots and post them up, maybe mines not really a specter either. He's already breeding anyway though so it'll still be interesting to see what happens.

Mark

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Yea mark I'm curious to see what your guy thows. Post up a belly pic so I can compare to mine and I'll do the same.
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Well, here you go then Larry. Some belly pics of my guy. It looks pretty normal to me but I'm not sure what the belly is supposed to look like so if anyone wants to tell me if this looks good or not, I'd appreciate it. Either way he's breeding well right now so I'm sure I'll produce a few offspring out of him.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ons/belly2.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ons/belly1.jpg

Mark

The ONE specter I saw had a white belly like a yellow belly but without as distinct of markings along the edge. Not sure how consistent that is with specters.

Randy,

The spectors I've seen do have a very yb'ish belly but maybe less prounouced and more of a blended look...

Some who have stumbled upon it have said they thought it might be a yb prior to breeding it.

Others, such as BHB thought his might be a fire and bred it to a fire first before later proving it to be a spector by breeding to a yb.

Justin

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Well, here you go then Larry. Some belly pics of my guy. It looks pretty normal to me but I'm not sure what the belly is supposed to look like so if anyone wants to tell me if this looks good or not, I'd appreciate it. Either way he's breeding well right now so I'm sure I'll produce a few offspring out of him.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ons/belly2.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ons/belly1.jpg

Mark

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Mark,

First of all, I'm no expert on SS! :) But my feeling is no... if i was my snake you can be sure that I'd breed it to a yb first! Or since it is a male, you could breed it to a normal and see if it passes its look on to its offspring. If so, keep back a bunch of the females for yb breedings.

GL,

Justin

http://www.bluegrassreptiles.com/ima.../posshetss.jpg

What ca think??:rolleyes:

Kinda like a het pied looking belly

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Originally Posted by Larry Suttles

http://www.bluegrassreptiles.com/ima.../posshetss.jpg

What ca think??:rolleyes:

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You sure its not a fire?

I don't the belly is right, certainly not a homerun... but hey ivories are produced by animals that are "barely" a yellow belly.

Justin

I'm pretty sure the belly looks like this...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...normals023.jpg

Yes, note the lack of black marks in the big middle belly scale. Not terribly rare in ball pythons but I'm thinking a pretty universal trait in yellow bellies and probably also specters.

Very interesting about the fire comparison. Gets me more excited about a ch girl I'm raising up. Wish she wasn't only 1,000 grams right now.

Here my longshot is as a baby:

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...PetMed-med.jpg

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/4924Compare-med.jpg

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First of all, I'm no expert on SS! But my feeling is no... if i was my snake you can be sure that I'd breed it to a yb first! Or since it is a male, you could breed it to a normal and see if it passes its look on to its offspring. If so, keep back a bunch of the females for yb breedings.

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Thanks Justin, I kind of was wondering about that. I was surprised when both Ralph and Jared told me it was a possibility, but I know that my luck just isn't that good. Like I said, he's breeding strong right now so it's a done deal and It'll be interesting to see what hatches. Ha, just what I needed, yet another dinkin' around project.

for anyone who is readin this thread and have no idea what they are talking about go to this link tons of superstripe pics! :)
http://imageevent.com/royalpythonrep...ripeballpython

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Originally Posted by jdmls88

for anyone who is readin this thread and have no idea what they are talking about go to this link tons of superstripe pics! :)
http://imageevent.com/royalpythonrep...ripeballpython

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Pic 49 looks alot like this guy?


http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...lushing016.jpg

Justin or any body else that has experience with the Spectors please have a look at these pictures and let me know if you see anything.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/norm07_1_sp1.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/norm07_1_sp2.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/norm07_1_sp3.jpg

Thanks in advance,
Albey

Specter
http://newenglandreptile.com/forumpics/specter.jpg

Pastel Specter
http://newenglandreptile.com/forumpi...cterpastel.jpg

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

You sure its not a fire?
Justin

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Honestly when my buddy Gib gave it to me I thought wow man thanks for the Fire. I had a fire in the past so I know how they look and I thought for sure this animal was a fire at first. The belly just doesn't match up though.

Oh well another tinker.....

Well, see. Albey's has a few black patches in the middle of the belly too. Not as much as mine does but still there are some. I guess now I'm confused again. But it's okay, thats my normal state of mind.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I guess now I'm confused again. But it's okay, thats my normal state of mind.

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Ha your in good company.

we just need to run a yellowbelly through everything we own we're bound to hit on something:D

I guess that means I'll have to buy one first..lol

Thanks for posting those photo's Kara. They look kinda like a fire to me. Really cool snake and very powerful when it comes to making combo's.

Brock

specter posted by KLG resembles a fire in my opinion and so the psatel specter(pastel fire)....
was the YB fire ever produced far now? perhaps it's just a SS!!!!!

if you look at jared's forsale page there is belly pics of a female specter!

I'd love to have a super stripe one day!

those specters are sick...
i guess i gotta get some yb if i wonna get started on this project lol

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Originally Posted by Quality_Snakes

specter posted by KLG resembles a fire in my opinion and so the psatel specter(pastel fire)....
was the YB fire ever produced far now? perhaps it's just a SS!!!!!

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yb fires have been been produced... looks like a yb fire. :) not a ss.

justin

MMMMMM Super Striper.. Oh how I love thee

http://www.freewebs.com/royalpython/...horenstein.jpg