Is this a normal or something more?

Hey! I purchased this guy as a normal double het axanthic/dg.

However he has just fathered a clutch that i have just cut the eggs of and atleast one of the babies has a weird blade like pattern to it.

I then noticed that he has this same pattern and must have passed it on.
Lack of real alien heads / reduced pattern, and blade like striping on the dorsal.

He was paired to a het desert ghost female. And she does look completely normal.

Is there anyway for me to prove out what this trait is or is it just a funky normal which passed the same pattern on?


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Probably just Normal. Sometimes non visual hets look different. I’ve seen it a lot on morphmarket. Certain hets have slight visible differences than normals.

Pics of parents might help too

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Thanks. I guess it could just be a different looking normal. Just seems strange that the hatchling (that's still currently in the egg) looks to have a similar pattern.

I've attached a photo of the mother to the hatchlings. And the father in in the photos above (the one in question).
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Originally Posted by morphanatics

Thanks. I guess it could just be a different looking normal. Just seems strange that the hatchling (that's still currently in the egg) looks to have a similar pattern.

I've attached a photo of the mother to the hatchlings. And the father in in the photos above (the one in question).
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Both parents have an interesting pattern, this one even looks like it could be genetic black back. I would say you're going to have to wait for the hatchlings are out to see if either have anything that was passed down.

I love DG so I'm pretty excited to see what you get, make sure to post pictures of the hatchlings when they are out.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

Both parents have an interesting pattern, this one even looks like it could be genetic black back. I would say you're going to have to wait for the hatchlings are out to see if either have anything that was passed down.

I love DG so I'm pretty excited to see what you get, make sure to post pictures of the hatchlings when they are out.

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I thought the same. But I'm unsure of how to actually prove out what exactly it is if they have passed it on to the hatchlings.

I'm hoping to get atleast one desert ghost. But I did pair a gravel to her initially so I'm not sure what I'm going to get. And obviously the odds are low anyway on het to het.
The clutch was 5 eggs. And I'm still waiting for them to come out of the eggs. Day 60 today. I cut on 55.

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The first one come out the egg today.
I'm new to all the morphs, but is this a desert ghost or is it just a funky looking normal like it's father?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...91276cc03c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3d237f2b05.jpg

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I'm not sure if its DG but it's super cool! You may need to wait until at least the first shed to see the true brightness maybe longer. I had a DG clutch and me and others thought I had a super pastel DG out of the egg but after a shed or two it was clearly not clean enough or bright enough to be DG, it's just a super pastel. I did get a couple pastel DG and a killer leopard DG and they are bright and clean as ever at a year old. My point is, sometimes DG is a little tricky to ID right out the egg but it will become clearer in some time.

I agree DG is tricky to I.D
It just seems to have a bold pattern. But because the parents, especially the father also have odd patterns it's confusing me.
I'll have to wait for that first shed and then hopefully I can figure it out.
What traits am I looking for to know for sure if it's a DG? There seems to be so many variations when I look about online.

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DG brightens the colors, cleans up the pattern and enhances the contrast, some combos get brighter with age but most just keep that fresh out of the egg brightness which almost all other morphs tend to either darken or fade with age, some become muddied. But I've not see a DG combo decrease in attractiveness as they age.

If your baby is not a DG, after the first shed it probably will not look quite as clean and bright and it will become more obvious in time. If it is DG it will look just as bright and clean as it does now if not more so. I don't have experience with just a single morph visual DG though, all of mine are multiple morph combos but I believe all I've said should still apply.

Great explanation.
I'll try my best to figure it out. And hopefully get it right lol.
Thanks for your help.

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Update on the clutch...

4 out of the 5 hatchlings have come out so far. There is a lot of variance between them all.
The one of the left and bottom are clearly visually brighter.
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Do the two reduced pattern snakes have black railroad tracks on the belly towards the tip of the tail?

The photos below are of the bellies of the reduced pattern ones. Why do you ask?

I also believe that the very dark hatchlings father is my gravel due to the belly and flames it has. As this was potentially a dual clutch.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1ab698e2df.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2d0c4b54ed.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f9d748f69c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...18e0d15c14.jpg

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The photos below are of the bellies of the reduced pattern ones. Why do you ask?

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The tracks (if they were there-which they are not) would have coincided with the reduced patterning, 50% offspring ratio, slightly brighter coloration, and large head stamps to suggest Orange Dream.

Orange dream in a low expression form is not obvious and the gene is widely being used as a pattern reducer/color enhancer in all sorts of projects. From the photos: Neither of the parents appeared to have orange dream--so it would have been a head-scratcher if that was the case.

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The tracks (if they were there-which they are not) would have coincided with the reduced patterning, 50% offspring ratio, slightly brighter coloration, and large head stamps to suggest Orange Dream.

Orange dream in a low expression form is not obvious and the gene is widely being used as a pattern reducer/color enhancer in all sorts of projects. From the photos: Neither of the parents appeared to have orange dream--so it would have been a head-scratcher if that was the case.

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Okay thanks. It definitely would have been a head scratcher. Although the reduced pattern father also has a kind of orange colouring to him.

I'm really struggling to be sure of what they could be. I'm not sure if they are what desert ghost would look like as I'm new to this all.

But I'm pretty sure that that I do have a gravel hatchlings and a normal. Other than that I'm unsure.

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UPDATE...

The first one to hatch has just shed her skin.
Although the others are yet to shed, she is clearly a lot more brighter and crisp than the others.
I feel as though she could be desert ghost But as I've never never seen one in person and I'm new to all this it's hard to tell.

If anyone has any idea or thinks they know what else she could be, please help me out. Thanks.
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Imo that bottom one is desert ghost, the strong head blushing and bright clean color scream DG. But I think you have another gene at play in this clutch too. The bottom left doesn't look normal but I don't think it's desert ghost. I'm not sure what it is but the reduced pattern and light color make me think it has to be something, fire comes to mind but that's just a guess.

Congrats on the desert ghost!

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Imo that bottom one is desert ghost, the strong head blushing and bright clean color scream DG. But I think you have another gene at play in this clutch too. The bottom left doesn't look normal but I don't think it's desert ghost. I'm not sure what it is but the reduced pattern and light color make me think it has to be something, fire comes to mind but that's just a guess.

Congrats on the desert ghost!

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I thought the same. It just seemed too bright and clean. But I just needed clarification as I'm certainly no expert.

I agree, two that I believe are Gravels are dark. But the others which I believe are from the DH axanthic/Desert ghost male all have a orange kind of look to them and some reduced pattern.

I'm not sure how I can really be sure what else is going on there.

Do you think the desert ghost hatchling also has possibly fire in it, for it to be so bright?

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Nice desert ghost and what looks like 4 cool looking normals


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That bottom one is definitely a DG, very nice!

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Nice desert ghost and what looks like 4 cool looking normals


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The top two are Gravels from a separate male as it was a dual clutch.

And the bottom left in person looks like it could maybe be a desert ghost as well. But I'll have to wait until it sheds to be sure.
Atleast I have one desert ghost for sure though.

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Originally Posted by morphanatics

The top two are Gravels from a separate male as it was a dual clutch.

And the bottom left in person looks like it could maybe be a desert ghost as well. But I'll have to wait until it sheds to be sure.
Atleast I have one desert ghost for sure though.

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Yeah, that bottom left could be a desert ghost in shed.