New to Ball Pythons, breeding question.

I have experience breeding Sunglow and Salmon Boas but no experience with Ball Python. I am picking up my Cinnamon Pied boy this afternoon and have an Enchi Cinnamon Het Pied girl on hold. Can anyone give me advice on what would go well with these two? Thanks

If you want to breed you need to have a plan and breed what YOU like, if you have no clue about either I would not breed or even think about breeding.

This should help you figure it out. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/?

Well, actually I do know what I like! I love pied and anything yellow, orange, lavender or pink. I think its just that there are so many more morphs out there these days that its a bit overwhelming and I'm just looking for a little advice.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

If you want to breed you need to have a plan and breed what YOU like, if you have no clue about either I would not breed or even think about breeding.

This should help you figure it out. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/?

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Um, I think he said in the first post that he has bred before.

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Originally Posted by Gottalovett

I have experience breeding Sunglow and Salmon Boas but no experience with Ball Python. I am picking up my Cinnamon Pied boy this afternoon and have an Enchi Cinnamon Het Pied girl on hold. Can anyone give me advice on what would go well with these two? Thanks

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Welcome to the pit!

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Originally Posted by MR Snakes

Um, I think he said in the first post that he has bred before.

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And? He bred before and they were BOAS.

Not having a plan and not knowing what you like in an over saturated market whether you want to do it as a hobby or to make money is a guaranteed failure.

I have seen a LOT of people over the years having NO PLAN, wanting other's opinion on what they should get, those people 3 years or so later call it quit.

Breeding it's more than putting two snakes that other people think look cool together. You got to have a plan (and I don't mean putting one male with one female there is a big picture), and you got to LOVE what you have.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

And? He bred before and they were BOAS.

Not having a plan and not knowing what you like in an over saturated market whether you want to do it as a hobby or to make money is a guaranteed failure.

I have seen a LOT of people over the years having NO PLAN, wanting other's opinion on what they should get, those people 3 years or so later call it quit.

Breeding it's more than putting two snakes that other people think look cool together. You got to have a plan (and I don't mean putting one male with one female there is a big picture), and you got to LOVE what you have.

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Totally disagree. I have no clue (in life) and with BP's but will put different morphs together and see what comes of it. Any that I can't sell or keep will be turned loose in my neighborhood. Something has to take care of the feral cat problem around here. Maybe should start with some Burmese first. Would that work?

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Totally disagree. I have no clue (in life) and with BP's but will put different morphs together and see what comes of it. Any that I can't sell or keep will be turned loose in my neighborhood. Something has to take care of the feral cat problem around here. Maybe should start with some Burmese first. Would that work?

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You're obviously entitled to your opinion. However, people come here to learn. And if this is how you're going to contribute, maybe it's better left unsaid.

Releasing invasive animals into the wild is extremely ignorant, cruel and quite frankly, idiotic.

This is why I wish there was an application process to purchasing animals. Some people just shouldn't have them...

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Totally disagree. I have no clue (in life) and with BP's but will put different morphs together and see what comes of it. Any that I can't sell or keep will be turned loose in my neighborhood. Something has to take care of the feral cat problem around here. Maybe should start with some Burmese first. Would that work?

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Seriously?? I hope you're joking. Any you can't sell or keep you'd turn loose in the neighborhood!? Do you have any idea how careless that would be and how harmful that would be to the community's reputation and environment? The reptile community already has a hard time dealing with a bad image from shady and irresponsible owners. I sincerely hope you're not one of them because your jokes are not funny, useful or appreciated.


If you are serious then you have no business owning reptiles.

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You're obviously entitled to your opinion. However, people come here to learn. And if this is how you're going to contribute, maybe it's better left unsaid.

Releasing invasive animals into the wild is extremely ignorant, cruel and quite frankly, idiotic.

This is why I wish there was an application process to purchasing animals. Some people just shouldn't have them...

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100% agree. A lot of people don't bother putting thoughts or research into owning an animal, let alone take responsibility for their careless actions and how it effects, not only the well-being of the animal, but the community as a whole.

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

You're obviously entitled to your opinion. However, people come here to learn. And if this is how you're going to contribute, maybe it's better left unsaid.

Releasing invasive animals into the wild is extremely ignorant, cruel and quite frankly, idiotic.

This is why I wish there was an application process to purchasing animals. Some people just shouldn't have them...

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Seriously?? I hope you're joking. "Any you can't sell or keep you'd turn loose in the neighborhood?" Do you have any idea how careless that would be and how harmful that would be to the community's reputation? The reptile community already has a hard time dealing with a bad image from shady and irresponsible owners. I sincerely hope you're not one of them because your jokes are not funny, useful or appreciated.


If you are serious then you have no business owning reptiles.

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100% agree. A lot of people don't bother putting thoughts or research into owning an animal, let alone take responsibility for their careless actions and how it effects, not only the well-being of the animal, but the community as a whole.

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Wow, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not serious. How many people who have no clue actually admit it? And has anyone EVER said they planned on turning unwanted snakes loose in their neighborhood? Come on people. Some of you need to lighten up a bit. I just thought that Deborah's comment was overly strong as the OP said he has experience in breeding boas. I know they're not BP's but come on, he is way ahead of people that have never bred snakes and I'm pretty sure it will not be that steep of a learning curve for him.

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Wow, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not serious. How many people who have no clue actually admit it? And has anyone EVER said they planned on turning unwanted snakes loose in their neighborhood? Come on people. Some of you need to lighten up a bit. I just thought that Deborah's comment was overly strong as the OP said he has experience in breeding boas. I know they're not BP's but come on, he is way ahead of people that have never bred snakes and I'm pretty sure it will not be that steep of a learning curve for him.

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Really you are right and everybody and their grand mother can put two snakes together, that does not mean they see the big picture, you obviously do not but like you said you do not have a clue if you did you would know a large number of people who do not ask themselves the right questions, don't have a plan and or rely on what other like, usually do not make it past 3 years.

Without a plan, vision and passion people generally fail, I have seen it over and over again, of course it's a lot easier for someone to say go for it it will be great rather than make people question themselves, investigate and dig deeper and see what the reality of breeding animals is especially BP. There is a big picture out there when you breed.

And as for your previous answer I do not found it funny that would fall in the promoting illegal behavior to dangerous advice category which we do not need here.

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Wow, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not serious. How many people who have no clue actually admit it? And has anyone EVER said they planned on turning unwanted snakes loose in their neighborhood? Come on people. Some of you need to lighten up a bit. I just thought that Deborah's comment was overly strong as the OP said he has experience in breeding boas. I know they're not BP's but come on, he is way ahead of people that have never bred snakes and I'm pretty sure it will not be that steep of a learning curve for him.

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Craig already made the point people have come here to learn, not to be entertained by pointless, and potentially misinterpreted jokes that could reflect poorly on the community. Seriously, you claim to joke about it but it's a legit problem, people HAVE let their snakes loose and it happens more frequently than any of us are comfortable with. Deborah has been breeding ball pythons for many years and knows red flags when she sees them or what information to give to newbies starting out. Maybe it's not as fluffy as others would like it, but she knows her stuff, gives hard truths and facts that need to be said and known first and foremost.


Considering you are inexperienced yourself and admitted to not having a clue about ball pythons, you best keep your comments to yourself and not challenge those who actually know what they're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Really you are right and everybody and their grand mother can put two snakes together, that does not mean they see the big picture, you obviously do not but like you said you do not have a clue if you did you would know a large number of people who do not ask themselves the right questions, don't have a plan and or rely on what other like, usually do not make it past 3 years.

Without a plan, vision and passion people generally fail, I have seen it over and over again, of course it's a lot easier for someone to say go for it it will be great rather than make people question themselves, investigate and dig deeper and see what the reality of breeding animals is especially BP. There is a big picture out there when you breed.

And as for your previous answer I do not found it funny that would fall in the promoting illegal behavior to dangerous advice category which we do not need here.

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I 100% agree with your needing a plan to be successful or you guarantee failure. And also agree to your last comment as I did not consider the legality of such actions. For that I apologize.

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Craig already made the point people have come here to learn, not to be entertained by pointless, and potentially misinterpreted jokes that could reflect poorly on the community. Seriously, you claim to joke about it but it's a legit problem, people HAVE let their snakes loose and it happens more frequently than any of us are comfortable with. Deborah has been breeding ball pythons for many years and knows red flags when she sees them or what information to give to newbies starting out. Maybe it's not as fluffy as others would like it, but she knows her stuff, gives hard truths and facts that need to be said and known first and foremost.


Considering you are inexperienced yourself and admitted to not having a clue about ball pythons, you best keep your comments to yourself and not challenge those who actually know what they're talking about.

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I did not mean as much of a commotion as I obviously have.

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I did not mean as much of a commotion as I obviously have.

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Just please remember this is a public forum. ANYONE can come here to read threads and posts, and in the eyes of someone who is brand new to reptiles, everyone is a knowledgeable keeper. Those who don't know better can't always distinguish those with experience and successful keeping under their belt opposed to those just starting out and promoting bad advice.


Mistakes happen. We've all been guilty of saying something that's gotten out of hand. I think what's important is to just be more mindful and think before you speak and be aware how others may misinterpret what you say.

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Wow, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not serious. How many people who have no clue actually admit it? And has anyone EVER said they planned on turning unwanted snakes loose in their neighborhood? Come on people. Some of you need to lighten up a bit.

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It's tough to read sarcasm when typed by an absolute stranger.
But to answer your questions:
Yes, mature people who want to learn will admit when they have no clue.

Yes, people DO release snakes into the wild.

Oh trust me, I'm a very easy going, light hearted, almost never serious person. But I at least think before I type.

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Originally Posted by MR Snakes

I did not mean as much of a commotion as I obviously have.

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Like I said, people come here to learn. So, moving forward, if it's not a positive contribution maybe you shouldn't chime in. There's obviously plenty of light hearted threads on this forum, you need to choose which ones you're an asset to and stick to those.

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Just please remember this is a public forum. ANYONE can come here to read threads and posts, and in the eyes of someone who is brand new to reptiles, everyone is a knowledgeable keeper. Those who don't know better can't always distinguish those with experience and successful keeping under their belt opposed to those just starting out and promoting bad advice.


Mistakes happen. We've all been guilty of saying something that's gotten out of hand. I think what's important is to just be more mindful and think before you speak and be aware how others may misinterpret what you say.

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Gotcha...and my daughter likes your avatar.

Hahaha!!!! Thank you!

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Gotcha...and my daughter like your avatar.

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Thanks Redshepherd painted it for me!

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

It's tough to read sarcasm when typed by an absolute stranger.
But to answer your questions:
Yes, mature people who want to learn will admit when they have no clue.

Yes, people DO release snakes into the wild.

Oh trust me, I'm a very easy going, light hearted, almost never serious person. But I at least think before I type.

My wife says she does the thinking in the family. She actually says this.



Like I said, people come here to learn. So, moving forward, if it's not a positive contribution maybe you shouldn't chime in. There's obviously plenty of light hearted threads on this forum, you need to choose which ones you're an asset to and stick to those.

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Hahaha… thank you MR Snakes!

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Thanks Redshepherd painted it for me!

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A very talented artist for sure.

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Hahaha… thank you MR Snakes!

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Hopefully you saw the humor. If not I apologize.

Thank you again Mr Snakes! I did catch your sarcasm by the way. I am new to BP. Net and have noticed other people asking for similar advice without scrutiny. I guess I just got luck. Ugh. Its ok though, I did get something from the harsh post. "Breed what you like". I have been using the morph calculator non stop! Problem is there are so many morphs its harder to pick a direction these days. I'm also quote aware there are lethal combinations that I would like to avoid.

Breeding ball pythons should DEFINITELY require careful planning. Not just husbandry and incubation, but IS THERE A MARKET FOR THE MORPHS YOU MIGHT PRODUCE AND DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SELL OR REHOME THESE HATCHINGS?
I see people breeding saturated low value morphs, and not considering the reality of caring for a whole clutch of hatchlings while they figure out how to sell them.
Example: breeding a spider to a pastel. Spiders and pastels are both beautiful morphs! So let’s breed!
Odds: ¼:normals $25; ¼:spiders $50; ¼:pastels $40, ¼:bumblebee $100.... IF YOU CAN EVEN FIND A BUYER. most people will buy a higher end morph, or they will just buy from a pet store.
once you figure in the cost of rodents, substrate, heating and other terrarium needs, any marketing costs, possibly taxes, you are losing money, negative profit!

Deb might be a bit blunt, but she has solid advice from being highly experienced.

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Thank you again Mr Snakes! I did catch your sarcasm by the way. I am new to BP. Net and have noticed other people asking for similar advice without scrutiny. I guess I just got luck. Ugh. Its ok though, I did get something from the harsh post. "Breed what you like". I have been using the morph calculator non stop! Problem is there are so many morphs its harder to pick a direction these days. I'm also quote aware there are lethal combinations that I would like to avoid.

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OK, so I wasn't the only one to think the comment was a bit harsh. Glad you caught the sarcasm. Wish others could as I can't make it much more obvious. Thank you

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Breeding ball pythons should DEFINITELY require careful planning. Not just husbandry and incubation, but IS THERE A MARKET FOR THE MORPHS YOU MIGHT PRODUCE AND DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SELL OR REHOME THESE HATCHINGS?
I see people breeding saturated low value morphs, and not considering the reality of caring for a whole clutch of hatchlings while they figure out how to sell them.
Example: breeding a spider to a pastel. Spiders and pastels are both beautiful morphs! So let’s breed!
Odds: ¼:normals $25; ¼:spiders $50; ¼:pastels $40, ¼:bumblebee $100.... IF YOU CAN EVEN FIND A BUYER. most people will buy a higher end morph, or they will just buy from a pet store.
once you figure in the cost of rodents, substrate, heating and other terrarium needs, any marketing costs, possibly taxes, you are losing money, negative profit!

Deb might be a bit blunt, but she has solid advice from being highly experienced.

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And just where do you get the idea that the OP is breeding to go into business? If I missed it I apologize.

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OK, so I wasn't the only one to think the comment was a bit harsh. Glad you caught the sarcasm. Wish others could as I can't make it much more obvious. Thank you




And just where do you get the idea that the OP is breeding to go into business? If I missed it I apologize.

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So if they are not selling or rehoming the hatchlings, they are just going to keep all the babies? Thats a lot of mouths to feed.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

So if they are not selling or rehoming the hatchlings, they are just going to keep all the babies? Thats a lot of mouths to feed.

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Not sure as he hasn't said.

Try this;

https://www.morphmarket.com/c/reptil...ic-calculator/