white lipped python breeders?

Wondering if anyone has leads to USCBB white lipped pythons?

I rarely see CBB for sale, and I don't remember where I've seen them before either.

There are a few folks in the Facebook group "Awesome Liasis" who work with them. It's a great group to follow, lots of eye candy, no drama, and you can ask if anyone expects to have babies this year.

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

Wondering if anyone has leads to USCBB white lipped pythons?

I rarely see CBB for sale, and I don't remember where I've seen them before either.

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Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but: http://reptilerapture.net/northern-w...thon-male.html

They just posted on their FB page about a white lipped python...

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Originally Posted by bcr229

There are a few folks in the Facebook group "Awesome Liasis" who work with them. It's a great group to follow, lots of eye candy, no drama, and you can ask if anyone expects to have babies this year.

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Thank you, joined! Always nice to have more no drama resources.

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Originally Posted by WhompingWillow

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but: http://reptilerapture.net/northern-w...thon-male.html

They just posted on their FB page about a white lipped python...

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Thanks, it might be! Not sure if it's CBB or not since it doesn't specify. I'm not looking at this very moment, more like for a few months ahead!

Very hard to get them cbb, all the ones I've ever seen were import with a bad attitude and a gut full of parasites.

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Originally Posted by Alter-Echo

Very hard to get them cbb, all the ones I've ever seen were import with a bad attitude and a gut full of parasites.

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Yes, almost all of the ones commonly for sale are wild caught. But there are a few people breeding them, so I ask for leads haha

I believe that Ryan Young has bred them, not sure on his availability at the moment.

And once upon a time Tom Keogan was breeding them. You might try and track him down

I won't be any help with locating a CB white lip, but I'll be anxiously watching for updates!

I've got a few species ahead of a WLP, but definitely on my short list. Hopefully a few years down the road when I'm ready availability will be better.

Good luck with your search, I'll be watching closely.

This could be just my bad memory but there is that YouTube dude DM exotics...?

i think his may be mostly imports but he may be breeding or know ? Just trying to help from what I recall

If one had WC specimens and bred them in captivity, realistically, how different would they be than the parents - on that first generation?

Both of mine are imported, but only one has a bad attitude, the other is quite calm.

Reptile Rapture (link posted above) posted a couple pictures this week to FB of his breeder male and pair in their new enclosure. If/when there are babies I expect Rich will note if they were bred there, he does it with other animals he’s bred. If the provenance of one of their animals isn’t noted, contact them, very good people.


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Originally Posted by PiperPython

If one had WC specimens and bred them in captivity, realistically, how different would they be than the parents - on that first generation?

Both of mine are imported, but only one has a bad attitude, the other is quite calm.

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I think you'd see a fairly significant difference in attitude, especially when comparing a critter that was caught and imported as an adult versus a CB neonate.

Remember these animals aren't treated well during the catch/import process, they may be handled roughly or not at all, they often aren't fed or even offered water regularly, they may have parasites, etc. The first importer seller here in the US may take the time to acclimate them, treat for parasites, get them feeding, etc. but not always; some will literally unpack the imported shipment at an expo and put them on the table.

i met this guy a long time back that breeds them. from here: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...tions-(read-in!)

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i saw this beautiful pair at an expo yesterday. :)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...m/3amo0qfl.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...m/lNgVohDl.jpg

a breeder/vendor from another table came over and bought this feisty female.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...m/QuG6TiQl.jpg

they were from an Idaho based breeder - Molecular Reptile. here: http://www.molecularreptile.com/Both_Leio.html#black

i don't remember the breeder that bought the female but i have his card somewhere. he also specialized in aboreal pythons.

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i think it was one of Nick Mutton's guys from Inland Reptiles who bought the WLP(s). i would recommend contacting them as well since they work w/ similar snakes.

Thanks for the replies guys! I'll look into them!

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i met this guy a long time back that breeds them. from here: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...tions-(read-in!)



i think it was one of Nick Mutton's guys from Inland Reptiles who bought the WLP(s). i would recommend contacting them as well since they work w/ similar snakes.

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OMG I thought to myself, I saw these pictures before! And I click on the thread and the OP is me from 3 years ago LOL.

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Originally Posted by Prognathodon

Reptile Rapture (link posted above) posted a couple pictures this week to FB of his breeder male and pair in their new enclosure. If/when there are babies I expect Rich will note if they were bred there, he does it with other animals he’s bred. If the provenance of one of their animals isn’t noted, contact them, very good people.


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I was just going to come on to say this. :) Reptile Rapture is where we got our Dumeril's from and we had a great experience. Pretty sure how well they packed her is why she made it through the shipping nightmare. They breed a lot of their animals on-site.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d5be223442.jpg

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Wonderful, thank you! Definitely following them.

I know some people

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Reptile Rapture (link posted above) posted a couple pictures this week to FB of his breeder male and pair in their new enclosure. If/when there are babies I expect Rich will note if they were bred there, he does it with other animals he’s bred. If the provenance of one of their animals isn’t noted, contact them, very good people.


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Richard does have a pair of adults and they did not lock up this season but he plans on trying again in the future. I'm sure he'll make an announcement when/if it happens. We've spoken at length and I've secured a male from the pairing, can't wait!!!!

If you check Fauna there were a few there as well.

Here's my male nothern - if you care to see. Both of mine are quite nervous, but he is actually handleable. She is a little trickier with her quick-to-anger personality.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...3bbe9d69_c.jpg

Great picture, that’s one hell of a stunning snake them white lips stand out so well against the iridescent dark body
The white lip and the Angolan python would probably be the only pythons that I really would love in my collection of boas


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Originally Posted by richardhind1972

Great picture, that’s one hell of a stunning snake them white lips stand out so well against the iridescent dark body
The white lip and the Angolan python would probably be the only pythons that I really would love in my collection of boas


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Thank you!

What you can't see is how tightly he holds onto my hand - the female does the same thing - it's different than any other snake I own. Sometimes it's so tight that it restricts blood flow and my hands tingle when he loosens his grip.

I brought the female home first and she felt like she was trying to squeeze the life out of my hand. It was very unnerving, to say the least. I don't like to interact with her much because I feel it stresses her out. I'm waiting on PVC enclosures for everyone and she will be a set up and observe type of snake. I feel she truly lives up to the White-Lipped reputation.

Here's a poor photo sort of showing off the iridescence. You can also see the black edging on the scales that give it the fishnet appearance, along with that rich golden yellow that is characteristic of the Northerns

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...1258c671_c.jpg

That iridescence is just insane and so cool.
I’ve heard there not the best with handling and seem to have quite a grumpy reputation.worth the effort with something that stunning tho thanks for sharing the pics


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Awesome looking snake Piper. I sure hope more folks get these. I’d love to see more pics.
It appears that the Southern WP is less common than the Northern. My understanding is that the Southern in a longer snake. I can’t see that being the reason. It appears just as many people want a smaller snake.

Amazing snakes Piper - any husbandry tips?

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Amazing snakes Piper - any husbandry tips?

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Sure, I keep mine around a 90* hotspot and an ambient of 85 - her cool side is near the back and she seems to regulate herself. The male came later and apparently picked up some mites while he was at his other home, so he's sort of in a weird transitory-treatment phase.

I keep my humidity around 70% but it does fluctuate up and down. To my knowledge, they have very thin skin which can be a problem for shedding. Her first shed was a bit rough. He is currently in blue, so we will see how that goes.

They are very shy snakes. Nervous, in general. Mine definitely utilize climbing branches and carve trenches through the substrate. I have read that they may regurgitate fur after digesting the nutrients from their prey. I haven't experienced that yet.

I'll keep updating with my experience.

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I brought the female home first and she felt like she was trying to squeeze the life out of my hand. It was very unnerving, to say the least. I don't like to interact with her much because I feel it stresses her out.

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You say this and I'm pretty sure I've had this exact experience with my GTP! I never heard of it before and it was very unnerving, like you said lol. I also then concluded that something about handling really stressed her out to the point of doing that, and no idea what goes through their minds when it happens. She suddenly became solid as stone and unmoving, and gripping my hand seemingly harder than she would even grip prey, totally breaking off my circulation. She stopped reacting to stimuli and did not move at all, like her brain shut off! I think I might have ended up running her under cold water or something and she finally snapped back into reality and loosened.

Since then, I learned you can unwrap snakes backwards by the tail first haha

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Sure, I keep mine around a 90* hotspot and an ambient of 85 - her cool side is near the back and she seems to regulate herself. The male came later and apparently picked up some mites while he was at his other home, so he's sort of in a weird transitory-treatment phase.

I keep my humidity around 70% but it does fluctuate up and down. To my knowledge, they have very thin skin which can be a problem for shedding. Her first shed was a bit rough. He is currently in blue, so we will see how that goes.

They are very shy snakes. Nervous, in general. Mine definitely utilize climbing branches and carve trenches through the substrate. I have read that they may regurgitate fur after digesting the nutrients from their prey. I haven't experienced that yet.

I'll keep updating with my experience.

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Thank you - sorry about the mites - I'll put him in a 4'x2'x2' with a shelf and ample perches. Yes - the hairball thing is wild!

If you can get your hands on a southern white-lip - I would highly suggest that. They're known to be much calmer.

Man, the male is NOT happy in his bare minimum cage due to the continued mite treatment (fingers crossed, haven't seen any since the first treatment, but I'd rather be thorough.). I came into the room and he started pinging the glass, so I need to figure out how to make him more comfortable. I'm almost considering switching him to a tub temporarily instead of his glass exo-terra. My stack of PVC cages can't come soon enough :(

If I cannot get these two to calm down and get settled, then I don't even think I am going to try to link them up. However, I am wondering if the pheromone cue from the female being nearby would have any effect on his personality, maybe divert his attention from defense to seeking a mate.

I should add that they both recently shed and both had great 1-piece sheds, so I'm thinking 60-70% is good for daily humidity, and then trying to bump it up at the first sign of impending shed worked. (Both also have moss-filled hides).

Uhoh! There's a CH '17 pair of Northerns that posted on Kingsnake today!

I took the male out in the sun for a bit. He's doing much better now - I'm sure we are both relieved. My quarantine room has grown, but i will be keeping everyone in there for a while longer.

He's actually very sweet once he's out of the cage - just still makes me a bit nervous since his mood can change within an instant since he is so nervous.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...03dc97e0_z.jpgUntitled by Saarang Desai, on Flickr

Wow that irridescence is just insane, there such a cool snake

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