Surprise! I think it's Genetic Stripe

If you been following my breeding thread you've seen the clutch I just hatched. The pairing was 1.0 Leopard Pinstripe X 0.1 Pastel Mojave. Out of 9 hatchlings, 8 were all predictable results based on the pairing. However, one was not. The pic below is is after shedding and yes, those bands that lack color are really there.

I've done a lot of searching the internet and combing through pictures over the last week or so. The only realistic explanation I can arrive at is that both animals were het G-Stripe. I feel pretty confident that is at least Pastel Pinstripe Genetic Stripe but I believe it's possible there's more, either Leopard, Mojave or both. Won't know without proving it out. I've also added a pic of Mom who has very prominent striping for a Mojave Pastel. Since the sire was a Pinstripe a picture wouldn't shed any additional light.

I invite the experts to offer other explanations. Let the opinions fly!

https://s19.postimg.org/3o9irlljn/20...06_resized.jpg

https://s19.postimg.org/w630jwy77/20...38_resized.jpg

I'm no help with morph ID, so just chiming in to say that's a beautiful little snake, regardless.

That would be pretty cool if the breeding pair were both proven out het g-stripe.

Good luck sorting it out! Thanks for sharing.

Nice! The best way to really prove it out would be to breed it with a known Genetic Stripe, then you'll know for sure. It could just be a Leopard Mojave combo, many times when you have those two genes you get striping. My guess is that it's a Leopard Mojave Pastel Pinstripe. Here's another one below. Almost looks like something else could be in the mix like Champagne.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...77f507e2b5.jpg

Actually from the lighter head stamp it almost looks like Super Patel, could be a Super Pastel Mojave Leopard Pinstripe. Maybe your Leopard Pinstripe male is a low expression Pastel...

Do you have G-Stripe or Specter kicking around in the background of your population?

I have Orange Ghost that refuses to die in my population even with near impossible odds, and I'm always like wtf is this weird color on my hatchlings?

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Originally Posted by cchardwick

Actually from the lighter head stamp it almost looks like Super Patel, could be a Super Pastel Mojave Leopard Pinstripe. Maybe your Leopard Pinstripe male is a low expression Pastel...

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I had already considered that. The Leo Pin was created from a Leo Spider X Blonde Blast pairing that Jon Courtney (Cold Blooded Addiction) produced. Since it was a Blonde Pastel combo which is supposed to be brighter, if Pastel were present I would expect my guy to look more like a Leo Lemon Blast. He does not. Here is a pic of the male. If you want to see a good pic of him as a hatchling go on Jon's website. This guy is the picture in the Collection section under Leopard Pinstripe.

Also, I saw the picture of the one Dynasty is selling and that was what I was expecting. Mine is so much more devoid of pattern or color.

https://s19.postimg.org/wksxtttrn/Leopard_Pinstripe.jpg

My guess would be it's the Mojave and leopard influence not genetic stripe.

i'm not sure about Super Pastel but my gut is telling me there's Mojave in there. Leopard Mojave Pastel Pinstripe??? :confusd:

EDIT: does anyone else see that section of lighter color on the last 1/3 of the body?

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Originally Posted by Deborah

My guess would be it's the Mojave and leopard influence not genetic stripe.

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That was my original guess was it was just the four genes. And I hope you're right because I stress out with mystery animals. What puzzles me though is here are pictures of three, 3 gene combo siblings, Leopard Pastel Pinstripe, Leopard Pastel Mojave, and Leopard Mojave Pinstripe. When I look at these it seems strange that adding just one more gene to any of these combos would wash out the color and pattern so much. The picture cchardwick posted of the animal Dynasty produced still has pattern and looks brownish like I would have expected with these 4 genes combined. It's a little brighter than my Leopard Pinstripe, but it has Pastel so I would expect it to be.

Leopard Pastel Pinstripe
https://s19.postimg.org/shj2s8wub/20...32_resized.jpg

Leopard Pastel Mojave
https://s19.postimg.org/5g2hmizrn/20...25_resized.jpg

Leopard Mojave Pinstripe
https://s19.postimg.org/w150i39ur/20...32_resized.jpg

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Originally Posted by Lord Sorril

Do you have G-Stripe or Specter kicking around in the background of your population?

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I have a 0.1 Enchi Pastel OD that is het for G Stripe. Unfortunately she is 350 grams so won't find out anything soon.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

:confusd: EDIT: does anyone else see that section of lighter color on the last 1/3 of the body?

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It isn't just you or your computer. There are actually about 2 or 3 sections on this snake that looks like a light band where the yellowish tint isn't there. I don't know how to explain that either but it may fade/blend with time.

I concur with some of the others. It is most likely the combination of Leopard, Mojave and Pinstripe that caused the stripe. However, stranger things have happened so it may not be a bad idea to pick up a Genetic Stripe of the opposite sex and breed them when they are of age :gj:

Can't help but wonder if it is some kind of genetic anomaly, maybe a one off thing like a paradox.

Sometimes weird stripes happen when lots of genes combine.
For example: Pastels and super pastels have zero striping, piebalds have no striping, but my super pastel piebald has a long unbroken stripe which I’m sure was not expected when the first killer pied was hatched!!!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b61f9cf03f.jpg
Hard to believe you would have a visual recessive gene just spring out of nowhere, maybe it is a new morph! Probably just a unique thing when lots of genes blended.

Here is another picture. Like I said it may very well be just the four genes combined but it is a very prominent stripe and not much else for pattern. The color almost looks more in line with a Cinnamon Mojave combo, sort of pewter-ish, if that's a word? We'll see after a few sheds. Love all of the input just the same so keep it coming.

https://s19.postimg.org/sl8ree9dv/20...24_resized.jpg

Definitely weird looking snake

i called it; knew something was going on!:

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Originally Posted by Ax01

whatta variety and amazing quality to boot!! congrats!

i look forward to seeing post-shed pix and progression pix of that Leo Pastel Mojo Pin. it almost looks like there's bands (ringers?) when the skin tone is lighter than darker. really cool stuff!

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nothing in the 4 known gene's really explains the obliterated side pattern. i got fingers and tails crossed for u that it is a G-Stripe for your OD Enchi Pastel het G-Stripe girl.

:gj:

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Definitely weird looking snake

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i think it looks cool! a cool "mystery" snake!

This animal is most assuredly not a GStripe and I say that as someone working with GStripes.

Your animal is the four gene combo. There is a wide range of expression in these animals, yours just happens to fall toward the extreme end. The dorsal striping is consistent with what you get in Mojave Pin combos. It also appear that you might have some form of Harlequin-type gene coming from the Mojave Pastel parent

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Originally Posted by asplundii

This animal is most assuredly not a GStripe and I say that as someone working with GStripes.

Your animal is the four gene combo. There is a wide range of expression in these animals, yours just happens to fall toward the extreme end. The dorsal striping is consistent with what you get in Mojave Pin combos. It also appear that you might have some form of Harlequin-type gene coming from the Mojave Pastel parent

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Thanks Asplundii. I actually prefer to know it is just the 4 genes at play. I don't mind proving something out for myself, but I wouldn't want to put an animal out into the world that is an unknown quantity. It can be challenging enough to achieve a desired result when you know what you're working with. But with unknown variables at play it's like shooting in the dark.

When you look at the pic of the Leopard Mojave Pinstripe, you wouldn't think adding a gene as basic as Pastel would change it to this extent. I guess I was really surprised that it obliterated the pattern and the color so much. She's powerful, but not very attractive IMO.

What makes you think Harlequin-like on the Mojave Pastel? I am not really familiar with the gene or it's effect on pattern.

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Originally Posted by rlditmars

When you look at the pic of the Leopard Mojave Pinstripe, you wouldn't think adding a gene as basic as Pastel would change it to this extent. I guess I was really surprised that it obliterated the pattern and the color so much.

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Just sort of how Pastel and Pin can interact, I have a Superblast that has very undefined laterals. Add in Leopard and you further shred it. Look at your LeoPastelPin and how uniform the laterals are on it, now wash that down with the colour drop effect and pattern condensation you get from Mojave and it is not hard to see how you get a full scrub effect.

Also, give it a few sheds and the pattern may start to become more defined. That is something else I have seen in Pin combos, the patterning can take a few months before it becomes more obvious.

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Originally Posted by rlditmars

She's powerful, but not very attractive IMO.

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The story of so many ball combos LOL

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Originally Posted by rlditmars

What makes you think Harlequin-like on the Mojave Pastel? I am not really familiar with the gene or it's effect on pattern.

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Harlequin-type genes produce a genetically heritable tendency toward dorsal stripe. Your Mojave Pastel has a pretty strong dorsal stripe as do the Leopard Mojave Pastel and the LeoPastelPin you produced. Not an absolute guarantee of a Harly-type gene but it would not surprise me if further breedings from these animals produced more stripe-backed offspring