Got off on the wrong foot

Got off on the wrong foot, made a comment towards a poticular person but offended many. My Most sincere Of apologies to all of you. Should have been much more specific. If anyone could read my original question your help would be much appreciated

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it takes a big person to admit they're wrong. :) your apology is appreciated by me, and i hope others accept it too. i hope you've realized this forum does not appreciate negative people, and we would love to have you back if you're nice!

full disclosure: i skimmed through your original thread; i'll reread it. are you still having issues with uploading through Tapatalk? did you read through the guide on how to post pictures? have you tried uploading images to Imgur.com and sharing the image links here?

You may be better spending 5 minutes on your 'other' thread and offer your apology and explanation there to be honest...


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You may be better spending 5 minutes on your 'other' thread and offer your apology and explanation there to be honest...


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Not gonna happen since that thread was locked, sometimes it's just better to lock a train wreck of a thread and move on to a new start :gj:

Look if you dont want to give me the time of day i get it. Thanks for what you have given. Im here because i am having a temperature problem. If my comment to a poticular person and that person knows who they are because i know who they are ,ruined my chances of getting help so be it . Im a grown man and should have refined my words . This isnt about me or you its about someone with knowledge of this Species of animals Who can help someone Without knowledge of the species of animals I didn't mean to make my words personal so please accept my apology because they were not towards you

Thats how i got my original pics on was through tap talk. My biggest concern is with my humidifier. Not sure if its actualy droping the temp in the tank a couple degrees or is it just giving the probs a false read do to the cool mist and causing my heat controles to kick on when they shouldnt. Should i scrap the humidifier because it seems to be working a little to good. 60% rh. No problem but throwing everything out of wack

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Thats how i got my original pics on was through tap talk. My biggest concern is with my humidifier. Not sure if its actualy droping the temp in the tank a couple degrees or is it just giving the probs a false read do to the cool mist and causing my heat controles to kick on when they shouldnt. Should i scrap the humidifier because it seems to be working a little to good. 60% rh. No problem but throwing everything out of wack

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its possible the humidifier is causing an issue. do you have digital thermometers and hygrometers for accurate readings? how close is your thermometer to the humidifier probe? where is the humidifier pumping out relative to the heating element? this is where pics of your enclosure will help, lol.

The heat probe should be under the tank between the mat and tank. That way the humidifier won't screw with it

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Thats how i got my original pics on was through tap talk. My biggest concern is with my humidifier. Not sure if its actualy droping the temp in the tank a couple degrees or is it just giving the probs a false read do to the cool mist and causing my heat controles to kick on when they shouldnt. Should i scrap the humidifier because it seems to be working a little to good. 60% rh. No problem but throwing everything out of wack

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This is my set up, willing to change what is not rite. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...abebaccee5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1dcff42c6e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d3d33e7a3e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4a0de9f691.jpg

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Im waiting for my heat gun to arrive so as to get an accurate thermo read

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That is the first time I've ever seen a setup with all that plumbing. I simply use damp sorghum moss to regulate my humidity.

As a side note, I would cover 3 sides of that tank so your snake will feel less exposed.

I skimmed the original post. Excuse me if I missed it but are you using Heat Lamps for both Hot Hide and Cool Ambient? Trying to think of how to help with the misting issue. When i mist in my enclosure my Tstat probes get a false reading and crank the heat.. So I assume thats what your experiencing. If you were using a UTH it would be a simple fix as the probe stays outside the tank.. If your only using the Lamps id say your not going to find protection from the mist in that small of a confined area unless you build a PVC bell (like the lamp housings) around the probes attached to the plumbing you designed.
I can tell you within a month though when that snake is real comfortable with its surroundings its going to use all that at night as a Jungle Gym.. Mine are starting to "BOW" the 1.5" PVC pipes i use for them to climb on because they are 4' length pipes. Something to think about.


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So i still havent heard much of anything and have posted pics to show my set up . I dont know im going to trt a different forum. Think i burned my place here

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So i still havent heard much of anything and have posted pics to show my set up . I dont know im going to trt a different forum. Think i burned my place here

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That thread was locked, so you'd have to start a new thread to get feedback

Don't get discouraged. Your question might be getting overlooked.

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So i still havent heard much of anything and have posted pics to show my set up . I dont know im going to trt a different forum. Think i burned my place here

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I see people on this thread offering help.
I see an over done enclosure and an uneven temper.
A lot of the members have been here a long time, consider this place a second home and love their animals like family....
So when you tell an entire community to kiss off and hope their animals die........ Its kind of hard to justify posting that for any reason.

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So i still havent heard much of anything and have posted pics to show my set up . I dont know im going to trt a different forum. Think i burned my place here

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Look we want your snake to be happy and healthy.

However, your attitude is really terrible. I posted on the first post and saw what you said, and commented back (which I normally do not do). I decided to read this thread for the well being of your snake, and consider giving you a second chance.

This forum is voluntary and many users take a lot of time to share their knowledge and help people like you, as well as each other. We do it for the love of the hobby and our, and other peoples' animals. Your post has been up for 29 hours and you have a bunch of responses. I'd say that is pretty good considering your behavior in the old post. To expect to have everything figured out in a day may be unreasonable, even if you hadn't "burned your place here," as you said.

Now, trying to help, and ignoring your comment that you might have to go elsewhere, please read below.

As mentioned here:

Humidifier will throw off temps - try other ways to increase and keep humidity.

Am I correct that you are waiting for a temp gun? Therefore you only know what the temps is from air temp/thermostat probe, etc? You really need a temp gun to make accurate adjustments and make sure that your tank is providing proper and safe temps for your snake.

Air temp and surface temp and probe temp are all going to be different. When does your temp gun come? That would be very helpful in helping to figure temps out. We do not even know what they really are right now.

Finally, not sure the plumbing system, as cool as it might be, is best. Many people try to keep as few things in a tank as possible. That means fewer things to get messed with by the snake.

Can you please comment on if you took any of the above advice and when your temp gun is coming. Your thoughts would be helpful too, not just pictures.

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Look we want your snake to be happy and healthy.

However, your attitude is really terrible. I posted on the first post and saw what you said, and commented back (which I normally do not do). I decided to read this thread for the well being of your snake, and consider giving you a second chance.

This forum is voluntary and many users take a lot of time to share their knowledge and help people like you, as well as each other. We do it for the love of the hobby and our, and other peoples' animals. Your post has been up for 29 hours and you have a bunch of responses. I'd say that is pretty good considering your behavior in the old post. To expect to have everything figured out in a day may be unreasonable, even if you hadn't "burned your place here," as you said.

Now, trying to help, and ignoring your comment that you might have to go elsewhere, please read below.

As mentioned here:

Humidifier will throw off temps - try other ways to increase and keep humidity.

Am I correct that you are waiting for a temp gun? Therefore you only know what the temps is from air temp/thermostat probe, etc? You really need a temp gun to make accurate adjustments and make sure that your tank is providing proper and safe temps for your snake.

Air temp and surface temp and probe temp are all going to be different. When does your temp gun come? That would be very helpful in helping to figure temps out. We do not even know what they really are right now.

Finally, not sure the plumbing system, as cool as it might be, is best. Many people try to keep as few things in a tank as possible. That means fewer things to get messed with by the snake.

Can you please comment on if you took any of the above advice and when your temp gun is coming. Your thoughts would be helpful too, not just pictures.

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Again sorry Just anxious to make this right. Temp gun will be here tomorrow. I just walked in the door and found him exploring for the first time. The rank is regulated with a uth on the hos side with a regulator controlling the temp at 90. The probe for that is attached is Underneath the tank inside the tank is is another probe that controls the che which is also set at 90 next to that probe is my thermometer probe telling me what the temp is down at ground level with the snake. In the middle of the tank is a zoomed hydrotherm monitor telling me the rh and middle tank temp as well as controling the humidity . The humidifier drops its mist on the cool side. On the cool side is just a probe telli g me the temp at ground level. I am using a 5.0 reptisun tropical light in a 150 watt deep dome. My che is a 250 watt in a 300 watt dome bud is being controled by a zoo med temp controller

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:2cent:
This is how I learned everything about keeping my snakes healthy... research.

This forum has a "search" function. I can simply type in whatever I am looking for, and read page after page of forum discussions on the topic. There are also "sections" on husbandry, or other specifics. In those subforum sections, there are "stickies" which are basically a FAQ type of thread, that get referred to over and over.
I started keeping ball pythons 2 years ago, and I have spent literally hundreds of hours reading about ball pythons, husbandry, feeding, heating, humidity, hides, enclosures, breeding, incubating, pooping, you name it. I know for a fact I have spent hundreds of hours sitting on the couch reading about this stuff, using the search forum function and simply reading the threads that interest me. Now granted, I occasionally posted a question to get more specific advice aimed at my particular need, but for the most part, 90% of my posts are actually helping, answering and discussing ball pythons, because I love them!

I am continually amazed about how lazy the majority of people are on the internet. They can't take 30 minutes of their life to do some very easy online research, but instead want all the information spoon-fed to them. Every day we get a new member posting a new thread like: "HELP, my ball python won't eat!!!"
There are hundreds, if not thousands of the same posts over and over and over again! I personally find it ridiculous that people can't just skim through the other 5000 threads that have already have ALL THE POSSIBLE ANSWERS they could ever need. Somehow, they cannot find the time or effort to do a quick search, or to do some reading, but instead just join up, don't do any research at all, and then post, "HELP with my setup." "What size prey should I be feeding?" etc, etc, etc.

Now, granted, this is a social/information forum and all such questions are welcome and almost always get answered by experienced, knowledgeable members. However, in your particular case, you have been belligerent and disrespectful to the community right out of the gate, so it would probably be wise, to lay low and just use the forum as a research tool, instead of asking for spoon fed advice from people who aren't getting paid to help you, and might not want to freely interact with such a trollish attitude, when they might have better things to do with their time.


Just my 2 cents.:2cent:

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Again sorry Just anxious to make this right. Temp gun will be here tomorrow. I just walked in the door and found him exploring for the first time. The rank is regulated with a uth on the hos side with a regulator controlling the temp at 90. The probe for that is attached is Underneath the tank inside the tank is is another probe that controls the che which is also set at 90 next to that probe is my thermometer probe telling me what the temp is down at ground level with the snake. In the middle of the tank is a zoomed hydrotherm monitor telling me the rh and middle tank temp as well as controling the humidity . The humidifier drops its mist on the cool side. On the cool side is just a probe telli g me the temp at ground level. I am using a 5.0 reptisun tropical light in a 150 watt deep dome. My che is a 250 watt in a 300 watt dome bud is being controled by a zoo med temp controller

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Sounds like things are not terrible right now temp wise.

However. We won’t know for sure until you get the temp gun.

I would still consider removing the humidifier and plumbing.

See how much the temps are changing with the mist when the heat gun comes.

Consistent temps are much better than fluctuating temps.

Once you know your temps for sure, you will be able to make informed decisions.

If you want to advise after you know the temps with the temp gun, feel free.

That will also give everyone time to cam down.

After this thread, as Godzilla78 said, do your best to research more and ask less.

Check both your attitude and expectations at the door if you do post again.

Not many people get three chances.

Good luck.

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:2cent:
This is how I learned everything about keeping my snakes healthy... research.

This forum has a "search" function. I can simply type in whatever I am looking for, and read page after page of forum discussions on the topic. There are also "sections" on husbandry, or other specifics. In those subforum sections, there are "stickies" which are basically a FAQ type of thread, that get referred to over and over.
I started keeping ball pythons 2 years ago, and I have spent literally hundreds of hours reading about ball pythons, husbandry, feeding, heating, humidity, hides, enclosures, breeding, incubating, pooping, you name it. I know for a fact I have spent hundreds of hours sitting on the couch reading about this stuff, using the search forum function and simply reading the threads that interest me. Now granted, I occasionally posted a question to get more specific advice aimed at my particular need, but for the most part, 90% of my posts are actually helping, answering and discussing ball pythons, because I love them!

I am continually amazed about how lazy the majority of people are on the internet. They can't take 30 minutes of their life to do some very easy online research, but instead want all the information spoon-fed to them. Every day we get a new member posting a new thread like: "HELP, my ball python won't eat!!!"
There are hundreds, if not thousands of the same posts over and over and over again! I personally find it ridiculous that people can't just skim through the other 5000 threads that have already have ALL THE POSSIBLE ANSWERS they could ever need. Somehow, they cannot find the time or effort to do a quick search, or to do some reading, but instead just join up, don't do any research at all, and then post, "HELP with my setup." "What size prey should I be feeding?" etc, etc, etc.

Now, granted, this is a social/information forum and all such questions are welcome and almost always get answered by experienced, knowledgeable members. However, in your particular case, you have been belligerent and disrespectful to the community right out of the gate, so it would probably be wise, to lay low and just use the forum as a research tool, instead of asking for spoon fed advice from people who aren't getting paid to help you, and might not want to freely interact with such a trollish attitude, when they might have better things to do with their time.


Just my 2 cents.:2cent:

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So i expressed that my original statement was towards someone i know personally that used the site to hack me. And apologized for my words as they were said Irresponsibly and affected many. And made My apology to everyone who read my original thread. I'm not asking to be spoon Fed anything. Im just asking for some advise . I Particularly don't like your negative opinion of me but that's fine and everyone else that's been a part of this form for a long time is going to have a feeling about what I'm saying toward you and that's fine too. And I've read tons of stuff that other people have posted in read many books about how to properly care for this reptile. Like I said and this is not me having a badd attitude this me realizing that people of taking something I've said personally when it wasn't meant towards anybody other than someone that I personally know on a personal level. But its my fault.

This isnt about my snake anymore this is about me thats fine. I hope all of you enjoy your weekend and live happy helthy lives with your animals. Like i said got off on the wrong foot

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Sounds like things are not terrible right now temp wise.

However. We won’t know for sure until you get the temp gun.

I would still consider removing the humidifier and plumbing.

See how much the temps are changing with the mist when the heat gun comes.

Consistent temps are much better than fluctuating temps.

Once you know your temps for sure, you will be able to make informed decisions.

If you want to advise after you know the temps with the temp gun, feel free.

That will also give everyone time to cam down.

After this thread, as Godzilla78 said, do your best to research more and ask less.

Check both your attitude and expectations at the door if you do post again.

Not many people get three chances.

Good luck.

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Thank you

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Again i realy Appreciate your time and words. But i dont think this is the place for me. Thank you again for everything

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Fwiw, my pm box is open if you have any questions. I will do my best to pass on whatever knowledge I have and if I don't have a good answer, I'll search to find one

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Again i realy Appreciate your time and words. But i dont think this is the place for me. Thank you again for everything

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I see that i messed up and think its better if i just go

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Again sorry Just anxious to make this right. Temp gun will be here tomorrow. I just walked in the door and found him exploring for the first time. The rank is regulated with a uth on the hos side with a regulator controlling the temp at 90. The probe for that is attached is Underneath the tank inside the tank is is another probe that controls the che which is also set at 90 next to that probe is my thermometer probe telling me what the temp is down at ground level with the snake. In the middle of the tank is a zoomed hydrotherm monitor telling me the rh and middle tank temp as well as controling the humidity . The humidifier drops its mist on the cool side. On the cool side is just a probe telli g me the temp at ground level. I am using a 5.0 reptisun tropical light in a 150 watt deep dome. My che is a 250 watt in a 300 watt dome bud is being controled by a zoo med temp controller

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Im gonna be quick and strait forward. Your small tank has HEAT OVERKILL. You dont even need 1/2 of 250 watts let alone 2 of them. You need a UTH and a CHE. You have a contraption that is going to cause you nothing but headaches.
I will say you did a GREAT job and its cool as hell.. But a snake is going mess that all up and its going to effect the whole Husbandry. Keep it simple for a small glass tank, your going to drive yourself crazy.
A CHE, UTH, Thermometer & Tstat.
If this was a 4' or 6' PVC enclosure there would be more options, but you have to work with what you have in a way it can function properly.
Dont look into it so much.


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So i expressed that my original statement was towards someone i know personally that used the site to hack me. And apologized for my words as they were said Irresponsibly and affected many. And made My apology to everyone who read my original thread. I'm not asking to be spoon Fed anything. Im just asking for some advise . I Particularly don't like your negative opinion of me but that's fine and everyone else that's been a part of this form for a long time is going to have a feeling about what I'm saying toward you and that's fine too. And I've read tons of stuff that other people have posted in read many books about how to properly care for this reptile. Like I said and this is not me having a badd attitude this me realizing that people of taking something I've said personally when it wasn't meant towards anybody other than someone that I personally know on a personal level. But its my fault.

This isnt about my snake anymore this is about me thats fine. I hope all of you enjoy your weekend and live happy helthy lives with your animals. Like i said got off on the wrong foot

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And by the way i work 75 hours a week and take care of a family so its not being lazy or asking for a free hand out. Its using the time i do have to educate myself by reading and hearing what others have to say while im doing that.

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I would just start over. As CALM posted, it is a bit overkill. I provide 5 things for balls, and they are super healthy.
1)A constant thermal gradient, 78-90 degrees, the floor plan of their rack tub is large enough they can choose which temperature that want in that range.
2)Darkness and shelter. They are in 55 quart rack tubs, the rack shelves keep it dark as there is only one side that they can be seen through, so they feel hidden from predators. They all have hides, at least two tight places they curl up in to feel protected. One on the cooler side of the tub, one on the Warner side.
3)Humidity and water I use coconut husk fiber, that I mist as needed with a spray bottle, the coconut fiber keeps the ventilated tub humid with very little effort. In the winter, or when the air is arid, I run a whole house humidifier to keep the ambient house humidity above 50%. It helps my children and I breathe better, keeps the sinuses healthy, kills the flu virus, as well as makes it easier to maintain 55-75% humidity for my snakes. I also keep a non-tippable water bowl full of clean water at all times.
4)Substrate Already mentioned above that I use coconut fiber for humidity, but it also makes excellent bedding for my snakes to burrow in, as well as absorbing liquid or odor from any waste the snakes excrete. I spot clean the waste from the substrate daily.
5)Food. I feed them a rat once a week or so.

BOOM that is it, done.

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Again i realy Appreciate your time and words. But i dont think this is the place for me. Thank you again for everything

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Thats because your not allowing it to be. Several people including myself have suggested things about your set up & how it will not work easily for several reasons.. Every time you comments it doesn't have to do with our suggestions.. Its back onto the nonsense from the other nights Post.
Look at the sticky on "How to set up a glass enclosure"....
if you don't like that and want to do it your own way then you will have to work out the corks because we don't believe even though your setup looks cool it will work properly. Not to mention i said at least twice your snake will bust it all to hell & then you'll really come home to some crazy dangerous temps when a probe is hanging in a water bowl or something.
Good luck & take care.



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Didn't see any of the original drama so whatevs to that, but i will echo CALM in saying that you have over-engineered the enclosure. Very impressive work, and trust me, I'm a guy who has over thought and over built projects in the past (and i'm sure will do so in the future). But think of it this way: start with the bare minimum and if you have a problem, your trouble-shooting list will be short. I dont mean to suggest that anyone should intentionally aim for sub-par husbandry, but for the most part if you are pretty close to the mark the snake will be fine in teh short term while you dial in your setup. Start with the minimum, 2 thermometers, a hydrometer, and 1 thermostat regulated heat source.. Thats 4 things to keep track of, much more manageable as you refine the setup. Good Luck!

Probably best to wait for the digital temp gun to arrive and then you can check the warm side surface temps and we can all , including you , relax [emoji4]

For what it's worth ... I love the white tubing 'hiding' the wires but it's true that your snake will probably end up climbing all over it ...that said you could supplement the climbing equipment by getting some nice looking branches from the local woods / park .... it would all blend in then and look more natural , whilst providing an interesting habitat . Also get some fake silk/ plastic plants from a dollar-store as they look amazing if set out nice ..

Oddly enough I myself ALSO started out here on the wrong foot and had to start a new thread apologising and explaining myself . I didn't actually 'upset' anyone per se just got everyone's back up by dissing LIVE feeding ..
I quickly learnt how to 'moderate' my views and here I am years later and thousands of posts down the line ..

Everything will turn out fine !


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Probably best to wait for the digital temp gun to arrive and then you can check the warm side surface temps and we can all , including you , relax [emoji4]

For what it's worth ... I love the white tubing 'hiding' the wires but it's true that your snake will probably end up climbing all over it ...that said you could supplement the climbing equipment by getting some nice looking branches from the local woods / park .... it would all blend in then and look more natural , whilst providing an interesting habitat . Also get some fake silk/ plastic plants from a dollar-store as they look amazing if set out nice ..

Oddly enough I myself ALSO started out here on the wrong foot and had to start a new thread apologising and explaining myself . I didn't actually 'upset' anyone per se just got everyone's back up by dissing LIVE feeding ..
I quickly learnt how to 'moderate' my views and here I am years later and thousands of posts down the line ..

Everything will turn out fine !


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I plan on setting up the inside nice for him. Just wanted to dial in the temps first. And about live feeding is that not the rite thing to do because thats all ive ever done. We get some really cool drift wool that comes down the delewear i was going to deck it out with moss and vines


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I plan on setting up the inside nice for him. Just wanted to dial in the temps first. And about live feeding is that not the rite thing to do because thats all ive ever done. We get some really cool drift wool that comes down the delewear i was going to deck it out with moss and vines


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Live feeding is fine, it just comes with a risk. I only feed live and I have for years. There's a chance that a snake can get injured by being bitten. There's also a chance of contracting a disease or parasites that the freezing process will kill most of the time

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Live feeding is fine, it just comes with a risk. I only feed live and I have for years. There's a chance that a snake can get injured by being bitten. There's also a chance of contracting a disease or parasites that the freezing process will kill most of the time

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Got you , How often do you feed

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Got you , How often do you feed

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My bp's and corn eat every Sunday and my boa once a month. I feed a slightly smaller than recommended rat, but 2 per feeding. I do that to lessen the risk of injuries and I figure it's easier on the snake for both constricting and swallowing

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My bp's and corn eat every Sunday and my boa once a month. I feed a slightly smaller than recommended rat, but 2 per feeding. I do that to lessen the risk of injuries and I figure it's easier on the snake for both constricting and swallowing

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I 2nd this.. If feeding live Rat the younger ones are leas likely to hurt the snake. A small/Med adult Rat has fight in them and Very big teeth.. I go with younger ones and feed 2 or feed more often if she wants it.
Most of the time I feed fresh Kill.. But there are time some snakes get finicky. I one that is.

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I plan on setting up the inside nice for him. Just wanted to dial in the temps first. And about live feeding is that not the rite thing to do because thats all ive ever done. We get some really cool drift wool that comes down the delewear i was going to deck it out with moss and vines


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Everyone has an opinion on feeding live versus pre-killed or Frozen Thawed (F/T).

It's a combination of personal preference, and what the snake will take.

No judgement here. I feed only F/T. I have a BP who ate F/T from near birth and readily accepts it, as do my other snakes. BP's can be pickier than other snakes about eating F/T, which is why I got Shayna after she had already taken F/T meals.

The reason I feed F/T is four fold.

1. Safer for the snake (no risk of bites or scratches from the rodent and lower risk of disease transmission).
2. More humane for the rodent, in my opinion. Again, no judgement, I know it happens in nature, and others feed live, I just can't stomach it myself.
3. Cheaper and more readily available supply.
4. If a snake doesn't eat for a meal (which BP's often do), I do not have to deal with a live rodent for a while, but instead can just chuck a F/T rodent.

There are many threads on here about switching a snake from live to F/T, if you are interested. You can also ask. Just know it is a hot topic, as it has been eluded to, and everyone a) has an opinion and b) many feel strongly about it.

Separately, did you temp gun arrive yet? Any word on temps?

Live can be fine as stated above. I can't do live...

also frozen saves on the wallet since you can buy in bulk. I buy bulk every six months for $35 for small rats. Saves me time and money. And I can't watch or hear a live rat.....I just can't. I'm a sap..

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Probably best to wait for the digital temp gun to arrive and then you can check the warm side surface temps and we can all , including you , relax [emoji4]

For what it's worth ... I love the white tubing 'hiding' the wires but it's true that your snake will probably end up climbing all over it ...that said you could supplement the climbing equipment by getting some nice looking branches from the local woods / park .... it would all blend in then and look more natural , whilst providing an interesting habitat . Also get some fake silk/ plastic plants from a dollar-store as they look amazing if set out nice ..

Oddly enough I myself ALSO started out here on the wrong foot and had to start a new thread apologising and explaining myself . I didn't actually 'upset' anyone per se just got everyone's back up by dissing LIVE feeding ..
I quickly learnt how to 'moderate' my views and here I am years later and thousands of posts down the line ..

Everything will turn out fine !


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Temp gun came 115 on the top of his warm side hide but 92 on the floor where he/she roams the tank 75 on the cool side. The top of rhe hid i closer to the che. Should i not consern myself with that temp on toap. Now i want to run a thermostat probe inside the hide and see what the temp is in there

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You dont want any surface your animal can touch over 95 degrees max.

Yeah , 115 is dangerously high for an internal temperature, is say . Especially one it could easily lie on or crawl over ..

Well at least you'll be making progress once that's sorted out


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Temp gun came 115 on the top of his warm side hide but 92 on the floor where he/she roams the tank 75 on the cool side. The top of rhe hid i closer to the che. Should i not consern myself with that temp on toap. Now i want to run a thermostat probe inside the hide and see what the temp is in there

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1. As stated, nothing over 95F in the tank, period.

2. Hot side/spot - aim for 87-89F

3. Ambient about 80-83F - 92F is too hot for anything but hot side, and even then, it's too hot for comfort, but not dangerous.

4. Cool side - 78-81F, closer to 80F is better. I wouldn't want anything cooler than 78F or so in my tank.

5. Use the temp gun to see temps inside the hide - lift it quickly and hit the ground with the temp gun. Or, if a smaller hide, just put the temp gun at the hide opening, and shoot in.

6. Ambient temps I use both the temp gun and a thermometer. Most important is temps where the snake is.

7. Is it 75F before or after the mist comes in? If the mist is making it too low, as mentioned, reconsider that aspect, and simplify the cage.

8. I wouldn't put a thermostat probe inside the hide. As mentioned, the thermostat may read X, but the actual temp at the surface will be Y. You have to calibrate. Where my probes are on the hot side of my 6X2' tank, about 7 inches off the ground, and below the RHP, but above the UTH, they read about 84F. The temp on the UTH on the ground is 87-90F with an average of about 88F.

Even when probes are wedged between UTH and tank (like on my cool side), the probe will often read a different temp than inside the tank. Adjustments must be made.

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1. As stated, nothing over 95F in the tank, period.

2. Hot side/spot - aim for 87-89F

3. Ambient about 80-83F - 92F is too hot for anything but hot side, and even then, it's too hot for comfort, but not dangerous.

4. Cool side - 78-81F, closer to 80F is better. I wouldn't want anything cooler than 78F or so in my tank.

5. Use the temp gun to see temps inside the hide - lift it quickly and hit the ground with the temp gun. Or, if a smaller hide, just put the temp gun at the hide opening, and shoot in.

6. Ambient temps I use both the temp gun and a thermometer. Most important is temps where the snake is.

7. Is it 75F before or after the mist comes in? If the mist is making it too low, as mentioned, reconsider that aspect, and simplify the cage.

8. I wouldn't put a thermostat probe inside the hide. As mentioned, the thermostat may read X, but the actual temp at the surface will be Y. You have to calibrate. Where my probes are on the hot side of my 6X2' tank, about 7 inches off the ground, and below the RHP, but above the UTH, they read about 84F. The temp on the UTH on the ground is 87-90F with an average of about 88F.

Even when probes are wedged between UTH and tank (like on my cool side), the probe will often read a different temp than inside the tank. Adjustments must be made.

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So should i have an uth on the cold side also regulated to a cooler temp

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So should i have an uth on the cold side also regulated to a cooler temp

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Possibly. However. Keep it simple.

If I remember, you have heat lamps or CHE, correct?

My apologies for not going back and checking but I have the stomach bug and I am on my phone at the moment resting.

You should be able to adjust the direction/heat on those to get cool side temps up.

I have a hot side UTH and a cool side UTH but all my tanks are 6x2’ and my room temps are about 70.

Did you check the misting issue? How do the temps vary from when mist is on and when it is off?

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Possibly. However. Keep it simple.

If I remember, you have heat lamps or CHE, correct?

My apologies for not going back and checking but I have the stomach bug and I am on my phone at the moment resting.

You should be able to adjust the direction/heat on those to get cool side temps up.

I have a hot side UTH and a cool side UTH but all my tanks are 6x2’ and my room temps are about 70.

Did you check the misting issue? How do the temps vary from when mist is on and when it is off?

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My che is on a hang stand so ive lost the ability to rotate the direction however i do have the clamps for it and can change that configuration.

My house temp is set at 75 year round.

My che and uth are both on the same side of the tank and are both individualy with their own thermostats

As for the humidifier system , with the temp gun i have discovered that the 2 to 3 degree drop i was seeing on the the thermometer was a false reading from the mist. The gun only reflects a 1 degree drop but levels out in 15 or so seconds.

I did some final tweaking to the temps and have sustained 89-91 degrees on my warm side buy the cool side is the same as the inside of my house 75.

Still needs some work but getting it under control

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Temp gun came 115 on the top of his warm side hide but 92 on the floor where he/she roams the tank 75 on the cool side. The top of rhe hid i closer to the che. Should i not consern myself with that temp on toap. Now i want to run a thermostat probe inside the hide and see what the temp is in there

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So another wards thats a 115 degree oven. Thats crazy. My Hide tops don't go over 91 because the Hides Radiate the heat into the snake and their body is 91. Thats neurological issues at that temp.


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Bro your going overkill. Ive read at least 3/4 of these posts tell you how to dial it in and keep it simple.. a CHE & a UTH is all you need in that tiny tank.


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So another wards thats a 115 degree oven. Thats crazy. My Hide tops don't go over 91 because the Hides Radiate the heat into the snake and their body is 91. Thats neurological issues at that temp.


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They are no longer 115. Now that i got the heat gun i have sustained 89-91

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They are no longer 115. Now that i got the heat gun i have sustained 89-91

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Good.. The simpler the better right now. If you want to do more cool things in the future just wait until you have a Large enclosure and the room for it. Nothing worse than a snake getting into things, it will drive you crazy.


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