Pudding progression thread

I finally picked my banana ball python!! This js just normal banana right? Anyways, ever since I put him in the tub, he is keep exploring. Is it normal for them to just explore? When will he go into his hide? Sooooo cute little heart on his pattern lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d2f97659b6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...689c68b9c6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bf68fc5fab.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ff28f326c4.jpg


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Btw the weight is 134 g, I believe he is 4~5 months? He is keep exploring or trying to escape? Lol


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It will settle down and go hide after it checks everything out really well. Just leave it alone.

Good looking snake.

Very cool! I have a bumblebee:)
Maybe someday I’ll make a bananabee. I still have college left for my masters so it’s gonna be a few years before I can start any breeding projects:(


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Originally Posted by KMG

It will settle down and go hide after it checks everything out really well. Just leave it alone.

Good looking snake.

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Yes yes, it is very very tempting to handle but I am leaving it alone. The snake went into the hot spot hide for couple hours, then just now he moved to the cool side spot. Just because he is moving doesn't mean hot spot is "TOO HOT" for him right? he just wants some cool yea? lol

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Yes yes, it is very very tempting to handle but I am leaving it alone. The snake went into the hot spot hide for couple hours, then just now he moved to the cool side spot. Just because he is moving doesn't mean hot spot is "TOO HOT" for him right? he just wants some cool yea? lol

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As long as the temps are good....yes. They'll go where they need to.

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As long as the temps are good....yes. They'll go where they need to.

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so if they are in the cool spot instead of the hot spot, does that necessarily mean that cool spot is on good temp? Two identical hide is provided.

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Originally Posted by MarkL1561

Very cool! I have a bumblebee:)
Maybe someday I’ll make a bananabee. I still have college left for my masters so it’s gonna be a few years before I can start any breeding projects:(


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lucky, I still have 2 years of bachelor then applying to vet school. Lot of years to learn and maybe breed in the future. I wish you the best for college and breeding!

As long as ALL temps are within proper range the snake will go where it wants and be fine.

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As long as ALL temps are within proper range the snake will go where it wants and be fine.

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alright, what do you think I should feed the snake? they told me mouse hopper, but I feel like he can handle to small mouse. I have no idea what size mice are exactly but seems like hoppers are fed for couple months

If the breeder said hopper I'd listen and do that for the first few feedings. After it is feeding well and has settled in I would go up a size then.

With his weight I would try a small adult mouse. Btw your snek is so dang cute! Look at that snoot!

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

With his weight I would try a small adult mouse. Btw your snek is so dang cute! Look at that snoot!

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Thanks! So should I go with small mouse? I definitely think that according to feeding chart, he should eat small mouse. Hoppers are offered for 3~5 meals and I am sure he ate more meals than that.


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Yep go up. Where are you getting your feeders from?

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Yep go up. Where are you getting your feeders from?

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I am getting feeders from the place I got my ball python from. They are the best rated shop in my town.
Anyways, I know that it is best to not handle baby until the first feeding. Is it not recommended to just open the tub and check the temp with temp gun? or is that fine as long as I don't touch the snake

You can take temps.

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I was wondering, if the hot spot was at 88~90 ish and the snake was laying on it, temp went up to like 94~95 at the bottom of the tub. he was laying on the substrate which has lower temp though. This makes sense that the place snake was laying on could get hotter but is this fine?

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You can take temps.

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I have question about switching from live to f/t. So he was on live but I was planning to change to f/t. Should I try feeding f/t on the first feeding? or give live for couple feeding then switch to f/t? Just thought of it because he came to new environment and changing to f/t might not work out right away but just my thinking.

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I was wondering, if the hot spot was at 88~90 ish and the snake was laying on it, temp went up to like 94~95 at the bottom of the tub. he was laying on the substrate which has lower temp though. This makes sense that the place snake was laying on could get hotter but is this fine?

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Take the temp at the glass not on top of the substrate. The glass should read 90. They will burrow so make sure that the glass measures 90. You do. It want a burned snake.

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Take the temp at the glass not on top of the substrate. The glass should read 90. They will burrow so make sure that the glass measures 90. You do. It want a burned snake.

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I use tub, and I am measuring under the substrate (paper towel) Since he is laying on there, I think it makes sense that where he is laying can get warmer then what I have set to, or maybe I am wrong.

Sorry. Sounded like you had a glass tank with substrate.

I swear we go over and over & over these temp questions even though the answers never change hahahahaha
.. All thermometers are up to 3 degrees off. With that said 91 is always the MAX you want any hot spot to read. Doesn't matter why or how the temp is reaching this 91, but that is max so its best to set it to 88/89 because thermometers are already off up to 3 degrees. So if its reading 88/89 and off by 3 it could be 91./92. On the other hand if its off by 3 and you have it 91 then it could be 94 which is to hot... Lower the temp.

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I swear we go over and over & over these temp questions even though the answers never change hahahahaha
.. All thermometers are up to 3 degrees off. With that said 91 is always the MAX you want any hot spot to read. Doesn't matter why or how the temp is reaching this 91, but that is max so its best to set it to 88/89 because thermometers are already off up to 3 degrees. So if its reading 88/89 and off by 3 it could be 91./92. On the other hand if its off by 3 and you have it 91 then it could be 94 which is to hot... Lower the temp.

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I know those and my hot spots are 86~89 measured by temp gun. But my question was that, the snake was on the hot spot hide and I saw it moved to the cool spot. I instantly measured the bottom of the tub where the snake was laying on and it measured at 94~95 degrees. I was asking if it should go up like that after snake was laying on it? because when I didn't have snake, it was perfectly at 86~89 degrees. Is it suppose to go up because snake is on there? if so, should I lower thermostat even more? other parts of hot spot is perfect except for when snake lays on it for long time.

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I know those and my hot spots are 86~89 measured by temp gun. But my question was that, the snake was on the hot spot hide and I saw it moved to the cool spot. I instantly measured the bottom of the tub where the snake was laying on and it measured at 94~95 degrees. I was asking if it should go up like that after snake was laying on it? because when I didn't have snake, it was perfectly at 86~89 degrees. Is it suppose to go up because snake is on there? if so, should I lower thermostat even more? other parts of hot spot is perfect except for when snake lays on it for long time.

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No temps dont rise from something being on it as far as I've ever seen myself. They're cold blooded so their temp wont raise it. But you will see this from time to time.. The temps change and thats why we use the Thermostat and a Probe thermometer that stays in the enclosure so when you walk by you can view the Hot temp and cool temp. If there looks to be something wrong thats when i also double check with my laser gun too. It takes a month before you know exactly how you can get the temps you want when your new at this or when you get a enclosure you haven't had before. Its all trial and error for a bit. Don't second guess yourself, take what you learned and dial it all in when things are off. You will be doing this again come spring. The temps and humidity for each season change how your enclosure reacts a bit to heating elements.

Also not sure what your temps were today but it was a lot warmer in NY. Above freezing. That alone changes how my enclosures react to heating. Something as simple as that can make it so you might have to adjust things until you find the happy medium.

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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

Also not sure what your temps were today but it was a lot warmer in NY. Above freezing. That alone changes how my enclosures react to heating. Something as simple as that can make it so you might have to adjust things until you find the happy medium.

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yea, during winter, probably doesn't matter because my house itself won't get warmer even in warm days lol my space heater will control the weather so it should be steady. Maybe during summer, it might get hotter.
Anyways, I was wondering if the thermometer on the hot spot needs the humidity measurement also? or just temperature.

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yea, during winter, probably doesn't matter because my house itself won't get warmer even in warm days lol my space heater will control the weather so it should be steady. Maybe during summer, it might get hotter.
Anyways, I was wondering if the thermometer on the hot spot needs the humidity measurement also? or just temperature.

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It doesn't need to display all 3, but you need to have something in the enclose for Humidity and its just easier than having a bunch of different stuff in the enclosure fir the snake to knock around. Its up to you which ones you like. The threads on here that describe what products work for most of us are suggestions.. From here on out its up to you to decide what works best for you.
Some of these things you look into way to much...its all really simple if you follow the Guidelines in the stickies and don't question why things happen the way they do :)
Hope your enjoying him so far..

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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

It doesn't need to display all 3, but you need to have something in the enclose for Humidity and its just easier than having a bunch of different stuff in the enclosure fir the snake to knock around. Its up to you which ones you like. The threads on here that describe what products work for most of us are suggestions.. From here on out its up to you to decide what works best for you.
Some of these things you look into way to much...its all really simple if you follow the Guidelines in the stickies and don't question why things happen the way they do :)
Hope your enjoying him so far..

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Yea I don't have much to enjoy at this moment because I am leaving him alone haha. It is third day since I brought him home. First day, he has been exploring for couple hours and went into hide. Today, in the morning I saw him wandering again. I don't know how to explain this well but his head goes around the lid of the tub almost as if he wants to go out or something. He has already done this on the first day, so does this still mean he is exploring? I saw some posts saying that it could be a sign of stress or he could just be hungry. Husbandry is perfect right now, temp humidity is right on point. He switches between hot spot and cool spot hide time to time which is cute.
I know it is suggested that he should be fed after a week but could he possibly want food now? He was suppose to be fed on Saturday but since I brought him home that day, he wasn't fed. So he has been off food for a week and 3 days.
He is is 15 qt tub, so not a big space for him to feel unsecure.

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Yea I don't have much to enjoy at this moment because I am leaving him alone haha. It is third day since I brought him home. First day, he has been exploring for couple hours and went into hide. Today, in the morning I saw him wandering again. I don't know how to explain this well but his head goes around the lid of the tub almost as if he wants to go out or something. He has already done this on the first day, so does this still mean he is exploring? I saw some posts saying that it could be a sign of stress or he could just be hungry. Husbandry is perfect right now, temp humidity is right on point. He switches between hot spot and cool spot hide time to time which is cute.
I know it is suggested that he should be fed after a week but could he possibly want food now? He was suppose to be fed on Saturday but since I brought him home that day, he wasn't fed. So he has been off food for a week and 3 days.
He is is 15 qt tub, so not a big space for him to feel unsecure.

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He is going to try and nose around the lid, if he could he would escape. Dont know what kind of clamps you have on the lid but at some point he will get stronger & his nose will get out of there and hurt himself. The rack systems dont use lids. Its secure from the Rack. I dont know anything about Tubs and Racks, my snakes use big enclosures and have plenty of room to explore and not get into things.
Wait to feed like everything says. Don't second guess whats been written fir a reason. If you dont follow whats already been established by those that know your always going to have issues. These snakes go months without eating.

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He is going to try and nose around the lid, if he could he would escape. Dont know what kind of clamps you have on the lid but at some point he will get stronger & his nose will get out of there and hurt himself. The rack systems dont use lids. Its secure from the Rack. I dont know anything about Tubs and Racks, my snakes use big enclosures and have plenty of room to explore and not get into things.
Wait to feed like everything says. Don't second guess whats been written fir a reason. If you dont follow whats already been established by those that know your always going to have issues. These snakes go months without eating.

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Any reason for that nose around lid? I do have strong clamps to secure the lid when he gets stronger.


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Any reason for that nose around lid? I do have strong clamps to secure the lid when he gets stronger.


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Are you asking why he nosing around the lid? All anyone can do is presume. Some people will tell you its stress, some people will tell you he's just getting used to his enclosure, some people will tell you he's exploring... And some will say to check tour husbandry...
I myself will say, You look into everything to much hahaahaha.

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Are you asking why he nosing around the lid? All anyone can do is presume. Some people will tell you its stress, some people will tell you he's just getting used to his enclosure, some people will tell you he's exploring... And some will say to check tour husbandry...
I myself will say, You look into everything to much hahaahaha.

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Booplesnoop was doing this last night which is weird because she has never done it. She kept me awake because she was popping the lid. Nothing has changed in her tank.

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There just doin what their little brain tells them hahahaha

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He is using both hide, greedy snake lol
I noticed that he moves around time to time and go back to either hides, is this normal?


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I just stopped by and talked with the shop. They said he had eaten rat pup with them. I should be safe to stick with rat pup right? live still,

Does anyone know what that black thing is on his mouth? There is nothing in the enclosure that would rub off like that.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f5d55ebd5b.jpg


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Your back to this?
Im not going over feeding again with you bro... your indecisive and go back and forth about everything that people go over with you.
Now you want to know if going back and forth to each hide is normal? Well why else do you think we would suggest having two hides?
As far as a Black mark on his lip.. Didn't you ask this question like three weeks ago and then find out that you saw it on the picture from the store too? How do we know what that is?
Ive PMed you tons of times, answered all your posts but this is getting silly. If you haven't noticed people stop answering when you just keep going over the same things again and again.
Lastly why are you holding a snake by the neck that hasn't eatin for you yet?
You're your own worst enemy.


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Your back to this?
Im not going over feeding again with you bro... your indecisive and go back and forth about everything that people go over with you.
Now you want to know if going back and forth to each hide is normal? Well why else do you think we would suggest having two hides?
As far as a Black mark on his lip.. Didn't you ask this question like three weeks ago and then find out that you saw it on the picture from the store too? How do we know what that is?
Ive PMed you tons of times, answered all your posts but this is getting silly. If you haven't noticed people stop answering when you just keep going over the same things again and again.
Lastly why are you holding a snake by the neck that hasn't eatin for you yet?
You're your own worst enemy.


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oh him going back and forth the hide was asked way before but it wasn't really intended to be a question but just talking, just progression of him thermoregulating many times. As far as mouth part, I know that he has some stuck shed or something which will go away after shed, but the black thing is new. I have seen somewhere about RI so I wanted to ask. Looks like I am holding/squeezing snake by the neck but he came up like that and I was supporting it. He won't let me do that unless he moves by himself like that. Looks more like black gunk but picture doesn't show very well.

Idk what it is on his mouth & Ri has nothing to do with Black Gunk but i told you not to bother the snake after Monday when he didn't eat.. Today is Wed but I'm not beating a dead horse...


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he ate the mouse! Dimmed the lights off, tried at evening and he ate in two minutes! Success !


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he ate the mouse! Dimmed the lights off, tried at evening and he ate in two minutes! Success !


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Congrats! :fest2:

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he ate the mouse! Dimmed the lights off, tried at evening and he ate in two minutes! Success !


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Amen hahahhha. I new it would happen once the little guy settled down... Congrats. Im sure you feel better. [emoji1360][emoji1362][emoji216]


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Amen hahahhha. I new it would happen once the little guy settled down... Congrats. Im sure you feel better. [emoji1360][emoji1362][emoji216]


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Yea, he was hungry for sure haha.
I was wondering, sounds like dumb question but what do you do with the poop and pee that the mouse made while getting fed to the snake? I didn't want to reach in there to clean yet because he just ate. The only reason I am asking is mouse pooped and peed a lot and I don't want it to raise humidity. Last time ball python peed, humidity went up to 90% overnight. I'm sure it won't be that high but I know it is going to raise lol

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Yea, he was hungry for sure haha.
I was wondering, sounds like dumb question but what do you do with the poop and pee that the mouse made while getting fed to the snake? I didn't want to reach in there to clean yet because he just ate. The only reason I am asking is mouse pooped and peed a lot and I don't want it to raise humidity. Last time ball python peed, humidity went up to 90% overnight. I'm sure it won't be that high but I know it is going to raise lol

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Leave it for now. That tiny mouse pee wont do anything to humidity. Then tomorrow you can wipe it up with a paper towel if you want but dont handle him for 48 hrs.


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Now leave him alone again until next Friday. You need three successful feedings with this little one. Get him on track before handling.

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Leave it for now. That tiny mouse pee wont do anything to humidity. Then tomorrow you can wipe it up with a paper towel if you want but dont handle him for 48 hrs.


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Alright, he has to digest so I won't even bother even if I spot anything weird that ends up being nothing lol. I am not going to handle him till couple more feeding. Btw, it seems like he might be going into shed soon.. Last time I took him out for inspection (about that mouth thingy), I saw his belly of kind of pinkish but his eyes didn't change. So I guess belly color changes first then eyes go into blue after a week or so?

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Now leave him alone again until next Friday. You need three successful feedings with this little one. Get him on track before handling.

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Yea will do. I am on 7 day schedule but while I was doing some research, I saw most people on 5 day schedule for young ball pythons. Is this any beneficial? I guess faster feeding = faster growth but I will probably stick to 7 day schedule lol

I have always done 7 day feeding.

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

I have always done 7 day feeding.

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will do will do, less cost anyways without hurting the snake :)

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Yea will do. I am on 7 day schedule but while I was doing some research, I saw most people on 5 day schedule for young ball pythons. Is this any beneficial? I guess faster feeding = faster growth but I will probably stick to 7 day schedule lol

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You need to stay on 7-10 day for now. This little guy took a couple weeks to feed already so you want him hungry before he decides not to feed.... Then you'll be all out of sorts again.


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