What kind of Boa Constrictor do I have?

Hi. I just got this Boa at the Reptile show and know he is a male and an extreme Abby. I was wondering if he is a Central or Red Tail.
Thanks

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I need permission to see it, and unless it was sold and documented as a specific subspecies or locality it's probably a mutt.

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Common BI. If he was any kind of "red tail" locality the seller would have provided provenance.

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Like BCR said, looks like a common BCI to me too. If it was a true red tail(i hate that term), it would have been sold to you as that or BCC or whatever locality it was from.

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Like BCR said, looks like a common BCI to me too. If it was a true red tail(i hate that term), it would have been sold to you as that or BCC or whatever locality it was from.

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I'm confused, I just got a RTB that looks just like that. It was labeled as a "red tail boa" . Why do you hate that term?

Looks like a bci to me, very. Nice tho ,I love mine


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Rtb is like a common name and there not normally that red more orange and brown but The true red tails are bcc and are normally Suriname, Guyana and even Peruvian red tail, there is a few more classed as bcc also , the difference in the tail colour is second to none generally and will nearly all ways have paperwork or at least lineage details


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Rtb is like a common name and there not normally that red more orange and brown but The true red tails are bcc and are normally Suriname, Guyana and even Peruvian red tail, there is a few more classed as bcc also , the difference in the tail colour is second to none generally and will nearly all ways have paperwork or at least lineage details


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Gotcha... thanks for the info [emoji106]

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I'm confused, I just got a RTB that looks just like that. It was labeled as a "red tail boa" . Why do you hate that term?

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Its not the scientific name of the snake. The snakes name is either boa constrictor constrictor or boa constrictor imperator. Red tail boa is a bull:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: term created by the pet trade. And then they added the term „true red tail“ for boa constrictor constrictor because their tails have darker red color than boa constrictor imperator. Both have red tails, it’s just that one is darker than the other.. lol

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Its not the scientific name of the snake. The snakes name is either boa constrictor constrictor or boa constrictor imperator. Red tail boa is a bull:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: term created by the pet trade. And then they added the term „true red tail“ for boa constrictor constrictor because their tails have darker red color than boa constrictor imperator. Both have red tails, it’s just that one is darker than the other.. lol

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The tank it was in at the pet store said "Columbian red tail boa" so I just went with it. I'll probably just call it a red tail boa when talking to friends because if I call it a bci, I'll have to explain all that and I'm lazy [emoji16]

It's no longer BCc an BCi, it's BC and BI (FYI!)

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The tank it was in at the pet store said "Columbian red tail boa" so I just went with it. I'll probably just call it a red tail boa when talking to friends because if I call it a bci, I'll have to explain all that and I'm lazy [emoji16]

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I would avoid 'red tail boa' as that generally is used for BC. Call it a Colombian boa or Common Boa as that is what they are supposed to be called (BI). Colombian (not Columbian) is the locality.

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I'm confused, I just got a RTB that looks just like that. It was labeled as a "red tail boa" . Why do you hate that term?

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Because "red tail' is a name coined by pet shops. Technically a BCI doesnt have a 'red' tail. Only BCC do. Pet shops just call all BCI 'red tails' as well which then just confuses newer people. That's why i hate the term 'red tail'. I call them by their names such as common boa, sunglow boa, Suriname boa, Peruvian boa unless i talking to to people who know, then i use the BCI and BCC terms :)

Thanks everyone for all the info and sorry for the thread jack op

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Originally Posted by richardhind1972

Rtb is like a common name and there not normally that red more orange and brown but The true red tails are bcc and are normally Suriname, Guyana and even Peruvian red tail, there is a few more classed as bcc also , the difference in the tail colour is second to none generally and will nearly all ways have paperwork or at least lineage details


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Actually a lot dont come with papers and papers to me personally mean nothing as they can easily be faked. The only papers which would be hard to fake would be CITES import papers but like i said, those can also be a bit deceiving as there are certain 'deport' areas and snakes can be collected a long ways away from that spot. And also if you look at Guyana and Suriname, they are divided by a political border and a river, neither of which stop a snake so to me, unless you can 'prove' the snake in question was actually collected IN Guyana or Suriname, they are pretty much the same. I've seen Surinames with purple sides and I've seen Guyanas without purple sides. Kind of a grey area there is you ask me.

And to add, a lot of the Peruvians I've seen actually have more of an orange tail. The perfect ones to me are the nice pinched saddles like a Hypo with a nice golden top to them.../drool. That is going to be my next snake i think...or a moonglow BCI lol

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Originally Posted by Dutti

Its not the scientific name of the snake. The snakes name is either boa constrictor constrictor or boa constrictor imperator. Red tail boa is a bull:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: term created by the pet trade. And then they added the term „true red tail“ for boa constrictor constrictor because their tails have darker red color than boa constrictor imperator. Both have red tails, it’s just that one is darker than the other.. lol

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Actually it has been changed. They are considered separate species now. BCC has been changed to Boa Constrictor and BCI has been changed to Boa Imperator. Old dogs like me though still call them BCI and BCC although technically they are now BC and BI.

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The tank it was in at the pet store said "Columbian red tail boa" so I just went with it. I'll probably just call it a red tail boa when talking to friends because if I call it a bci, I'll have to explain all that and I'm lazy [emoji16]

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Just call it a Colombian Boa. And just a FYI, it cant be a Columbian Boa because Columbia are cities in the US :)

In the words of homer Simpson... doh!

Some of them Guyana’s are just spectacular colour that’s for sure some people might think there a morph with how colourful they are
I agree that papers can easily be faked and I guess a lot of your snakes are wild caught in the USA so most collectors wanting to make some easy money will say there from a more desirable area which generally hold there money better I guess,
suppose snakes don’t know the borders and often cross locality ,I would say most people who want a bcc or bc would go to reputable breeder well I would anyway,Most of them in the U.K. do anyway ,my bcl parents was imported in from Germany and they had there papers


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So much to take in on this forum! I definitely understand what that guy on the matrix meant by "ignorance is bliss". Life was so much easier when I was a kid and only new of a dozen different kinds of snakes

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Some of them Guyana’s are just spectacular colour that’s for sure some people might think there a morph with how colourful they are
I agree that papers can easily be faked and I guess a lot of your snakes are wild caught in the USA so most collectors wanting to make some easy money will say there from a more desirable area which generally hold there money better I guess,
suppose snakes don’t know the borders and often cross locality ,I would say most people who want a bcc or bc would go to reputable breeder well I would anyway,Most of them in the U.K. do anyway ,my bcl parents was imported in from Germany and they had there papers


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Yeah there are a few reputalbe breeders here in the states. The ones i can think of are Chris Wolf who got all his stock from Gus Rentfro or Vin Russo, Vin Russo, Mike Lucchesi, Brian Vuillemenboa. I believe Brian or Mike recently had a litter of Venezualen BCC which are pretty rare in the trade. Think Chris Wolf has a breeding pair of those too. Then there are also people like Skip Frye, Russel La Fleur and Star Shaffer who breed some outstanding BCC stuff but not for the the locality, more for traits like Skip and his Mega Peak stuff.

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So much to take in on this forum! I definitely understand what that guy on the matrix meant by "ignorance is bliss". Life was so much easier when I was a kid and only new of a dozen different kinds of snakes

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Haha opposite for me. When i was a kid, there was no PVC cages or Herpstats or fancy stuff like that. You had to build your own stuff from sheeting plywood and use rheostats for heating lol. But i agree, when i was a kid, a boa was a boa. I never really knew the difference. I was just happy to have a snake or lizard or frog or salamander or newt :)

Things was was deffinetly easier, I had my first snake back in the 80s for my 13th birthday it was a grey rat snake , my dad And i made that out of ply and glass, with just a bulb for heat source, I had her for 17years so wasn’t that bad she was never ill either the only problem I had was I brought as a male called rowland and then she laid eggs after about 5years so obviously wasn’t a male lol, so ended up calling her Roberta,
My corn island boas parents was imports from vin Russo


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Haha yeah i had a ball python that i kept in a 55 gallon tank with a screen lid and heat lamps. I had him over 10 years before i ended up rehoming him and he was fine. He would have bad sheds here and there which i had to soak him in the sink and use a washcloth to run him through but otherwise he was fine. People worry too much about snakes. They are freakin tough little buggers.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Because "red tail' is a name coined by pet shops. Technically a BCI doesnt have a 'red' tail. Only BCC do. Pet shops just call all BCI 'red tails' as well which then just confuses newer people. That's why i hate the term 'red tail'. I call them by their names such as common boa, sunglow boa, Suriname boa, Peruvian boa unless i talking to to people who know, then i use the BCI and BCC terms :)

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I think that BCI,s have a red tail. Its not brown or orange for sure. Its not as dark red as the BCC,s. They added the term "true red tail" to distinguish BCC from BCI which confuses newer people even more.

Boa constrictor amarali, Amaral's boa
Boa constrictor constrictor, Red-tailed boa
Boa constrictor imperator, Common northern boa
Boa constrictor longicauda, Tumbes Peru boa
Boa constrictor melanogaster, Ecuadorian boa
Boa constrictor nebulosa, Dominican clouded boa
Boa constrictor occidentalis, Argentine boa
Boa constrictor orophias, St. Lucia boa
Boa constrictor ortonii, Orton's boa
Boa constrictor sabogae, Pearl Island boa

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Originally Posted by Dutti

I think that BCI,s have a red tail. Its not brown or orange for sure. Its not as dark red as the BCC,s. They added the term "true red tail" to distinguish BCC from BCI which confuses newer people even more.

Boa constrictor amarali, Amaral's boa
Boa constrictor constrictor, Red-tailed boa
Boa constrictor imperator, Common northern boa
Boa constrictor longicauda, Tumbes Peru boa
Boa constrictor melanogaster, Ecuadorian boa
Boa constrictor nebulosa, Dominican clouded boa
Boa constrictor occidentalis, Argentine boa
Boa constrictor orophias, St. Lucia boa
Boa constrictor ortonii, Orton's boa
Boa constrictor sabogae, Pearl Island boa

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