Photos of Ludo since we're just hanging out together...

This is my boa I was referencing the other day. He and I chill while I take in some tv time. 1yr 7mo https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bf2638bd8b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...88c6a34162.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fe4b86bafc.jpg

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Very nice boa!

Nice stache

New pictures of my little buddy. He's at roughly 3ft 6in now and seems so short to me for his age, but I feel he has a nice head to body ration and he's really getting some size to him these days. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dcb5d4b6b5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f781059f9f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...928fad9642.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4798336333.jpg

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Great looking boa there, looks nice and healthy


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Remember males are generally smaller than females


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I had to fight him off of my daughter's Batman "play house" silly snekums...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...03cb7f5197.jpg

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Great pics, I hate when they decide to taking a shine to something and you really can’t get them off , that’s when you realise how strong they are


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He's gorgeous! I love his markings and especially his tail! What are his genetics? I'm guessing he must have some Anery in him?

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New pictures of my little buddy. He's at roughly 3ft 6in now and seems so short to me for his age, but I feel he has a nice head to body ration and he's really getting some size to him these days. https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...dcb5d4b6b5.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...f781059f9f.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...928fad9642.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...4798336333.jpg

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He's not small for his age at all. Depending on how you're feeding him, I wouldn't worry about his growth rate.

This is my 2 year old male, he's only 3', maybe a few inches shy of 3'. My females are going to be 3 in June, and they're only about 4' or under. Boas grow very, very slowly when they aren't being overfed.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...4c7b503c_b.jpg

(This photo is 2 months old, so he's smaller, but shows his body tone better. You want a rectangular cross section with flat sides and without rounded sides.)

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He's gorgeous! I love his markings and especially his tail! What are his genetics? I'm guessing he must have some Anery in him?

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They either are or aren't anery. It's possible this boa is an anery, as he displays the characteristics of the morph, but he can't have "some" anery.

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He's gorgeous! I love his markings and especially his tail! What are his genetics? I'm guessing he must have some Anery in him?

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Thank you!!!! He is anery het for sharp and hytec if I remember correctly (his papers are in the filing cabinet and I'm out of the house), but he's just my buddy so I highly doubt I'll ever breed him. I'm smitten with the little lad!

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He's not small for his age at all. Depending on how you're feeding him, I wouldn't worry about his growth rate.

This is my 2 year old male, he's only 3', maybe a few inches shy of 3'. My females are going to be 3 in June, and they're only about 4' or under. Boas grow very, very slowly when they aren't being overfed.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...4c7b503c_b.jpg

(This photo is 2 months old, so he's smaller, but shows his body tone better. You want a rectangular cross section with flat sides and without rounded sides.)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7c532ee8_h.jpg



They either are or aren't anery. It's possible this boa is an anery, as he displays the characteristics of the morph, but he can't have "some" anery.

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He'll be 2 in May and I'm a slow feeder. He's just now bumped to smalls for the last couple meals every 2 weeks. His girth has began to fill in and I expect some length to add on with the next shed. I don't expect him to be large at all. I was a bit surprised at the slow growth. Everyone tells you and you read it everywhere, but it's just not the same til you witness first hand I think. Oddly enough before I got him and really increased my preparation research I thought boas were these huge snakes and I was taking a brave leap from my bp lol! He's healthy and that's all that matters!

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He'll be 2 in May and I'm a slow feeder. He's just now bumped to smalls for the last couple meals every 2 weeks. His girth has began to fill in and I expect some length to add on with the next shed. I don't expect him to be large at all. I was a bit surprised at the slow growth. Everyone tells you and you read it everywhere, but it's just not the same til you witness first hand I think. Oddly enough before I got him and really increased my preparation research I thought boas were these huge snakes and I was taking a brave leap from my bp lol! He's healthy and that's all that matters!

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Really nice little boy!

I too recently got a BCI, Behira. She's a female Ivory Ghost, het moonglow, born June 2016. I have zero plans to breed though.

I did a lot of research as well, and totally agree that slow growth is the way to go! Behira is about 700G now and is eating small rats (I give 60-70G rats even though she could easily eat bigger) every two weeks.

I love her personality, beauty, and it's cool that she will be a big snake, without being crazy huge!

As stated earlier in the thread, males (usually) are quite a bit smaller than the females. More like a large BP female, or bigger, but not monsters. I have heard that males are usually 4-6FT and much less girth than the females who can more easily get 6-8FT. It does take a long time to get there if you are feeding properly though.

I posted the other day in Behira's thread that I saw an adult female BCI up close for the first time the other day. Not sure how she is going from 700G to 5,000-7,000 grams, as she doesn't seem super small now, but I know she will. Good thing I have the proper enclosure already and we are growing together. This way, it's not like I just brought home a 7FT snake. We will know each other pretty well when she is a big girl.

Still I had never considered a Boa because I heard they got huge. Yes, BCC's can be 10FT more easily, but BCI's not so much. I wanted a male, but Behira stole our (my fiancé was involved in picking her as well) heart. Males seem to be more manageable size wise, but Behira is a total puppy dog, so not too concerned. The biggest snakes I had before Behira were a female BP and male corn snake. So, big jump!

Good luck with your guy and keep us updated.

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Really nice little boy!

I too recently got a BCI, Behira. She's a female Ivory Ghost, het moonglow, born June 2016. I have zero plans to breed though.

I did a lot of research as well, and totally agree that slow growth is the way to go! Behira is about 700G now and is eating small rats (I give 60-70G rats even though she could easily eat bigger) every two weeks.

I love her personality, beauty, and it's cool that she will be a big snake, without being crazy huge!

As stated earlier in the thread, males (usually) are quite a bit smaller than the females. More like a large BP female, or bigger, but not monsters. I have heard that males are usually 4-6FT and much less girth than the females who can more easily get 6-8FT. It does take a long time to get there if you are feeding properly though.

I posted the other day in Behira's thread that I saw an adult female BCI up close for the first time the other day. Not sure how she is going from 700G to 5,000-7,000 grams, as she doesn't seem super small now, but I know she will. Good thing I have the proper enclosure already and we are growing together. This way, it's not like I just brought home a 7FT snake. We will know each other pretty well when she is a big girl.

Still I had never considered a Boa because I heard they got huge. Yes, BCC's can be 10FT more easily, but BCI's not so much. I wanted a male, but Behira stole our (my fiancé was involved in picking her as well) heart. Males seem to be more manageable size wise, but Behira is a total puppy dog, so not too concerned. The biggest snakes I had before Behira were a female BP and male corn snake. So, big jump!

Good luck with your guy and keep us updated.

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I've actually seen your thread about Behira and she's absolutely gorgeous!!!

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Thank you!!!! He is anery het for sharp and hytec if I remember correctly (his papers are in the filing cabinet and I'm out of the house), but he's just my buddy so I highly doubt I'll ever breed him. I'm smitten with the little lad!

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He's most likely just anery het sharp. Hytec is hypo aztec, both morphs are visual in the heterozygous forms. Since he isn't visually either hypo or aztec, he isn't het for either. Sharp is recessive, though, so he certainly could be het Sharp!

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He'll be 2 in May and I'm a slow feeder. He's just now bumped to smalls for the last couple meals every 2 weeks. His girth has began to fill in and I expect some length to add on with the next shed. I don't expect him to be large at all. I was a bit surprised at the slow growth. Everyone tells you and you read it everywhere, but it's just not the same til you witness first hand I think. Oddly enough before I got him and really increased my preparation research I thought boas were these huge snakes and I was taking a brave leap from my bp lol! He's healthy and that's all that matters!

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He is kinda girthy, which is why I mentioned the feeding schedule, his sides have gotten a bit pudgy. haha Space his feedings out like you are now, and he should trim out.

They can definitely appear to be large snakes if you aren't used to their girth. My biggest female is 7', and she looks much bigger than my 9' retic, but she's definitely a few feet shorter, just much girthier. She's still manageable by one person. It took me a little bit to get used to her extra weight, but now I can handle her just as easily as my smaller snakes. :)

The growth rate can be impacted greatly by feeding regimens. My boas nowadays grow pretty slowly, but I was accidentally power feeding my first boa, so he was only 2.5' at 1 year old, but was just over 5' by the time he turned 2, and reached 6' around the time he turned 3. He grew another half a foot over the next year, and is currently about 6.5'. He's been showing some issues recently that the vet seems to think could have been impacted by his power feeding earlier in life, but we really don't know what's going on. :( He's the only snake currently showing health issues.

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He's not small for his age at all. Depending on how you're feeding him, I wouldn't worry about his growth rate.

This is my 2 year old male, he's only 3', maybe a few inches shy of 3'. My females are going to be 3 in June, and they're only about 4' or under. Boas grow very, very slowly when they aren't being overfed.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...4c7b503c_b.jpg

(This photo is 2 months old, so he's smaller, but shows his body tone better. You want a rectangular cross section with flat sides and without rounded sides.)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7c532ee8_h.jpg



They either are or aren't anery. It's possible this boa is an anery, as he displays the characteristics of the morph, but he can't have "some" anery.

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By "some" Anery, I meant his genetics must be Anery x "something"... Anyway, your Motley is gorgeous, too. I LOVE the grey sides! I will have a Motley at some point when i'm ready to get started on an Eclipse project. I should probably just go ahead and pick a female up soon, so I can start growing her up and a Leopard male can join the family later...

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I've actually seen your thread about Behira and she's absolutely gorgeous!!!

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Thank you! Yeah, she's a sweetheart too!

Very lucky with her.

I'll keep everyone up to date on Behira; you do the same with Ludo!

Good luck!

David

My bad y'all I finally got a chance to check the genetics on Ludo. His dam is a hytec sharp and sire is anery het sharp. I knew the words were there I just got them backwards.

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By "some" Anery, I meant his genetics must be Anery x "something"... Anyway, your Motley is gorgeous, too. I LOVE the grey sides! I will have a Motley at some point when i'm ready to get started on an Eclipse project. I should probably just go ahead and pick a female up soon, so I can start growing her up and a Leopard male can join the family later...

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If OP's boa is an anery, it's a single gene anery potentially with recessive genes, but there are no other visual morphs. If he was an anery combo, you would say he has anery, or is an anery combo. When you say there's some anery, you're implying that anery can be muted through breeding, and it cannot. It either is or isn't. They aren't like dog breeds, where if you mix other breeds into it, it starts to look less and less like the original breed. An anery is always an anery, it either is or isn't, there is no "some anery." They can have anery in them or not, but they can't have some.

Thanks! My motley is actually an anery motley, and he's even poss het Kahl! I'm looking forward to some moonglow or snow mots in the future. :D

Females definitely take longer to mature, I believe dwarf females are ready to breed by about 4 years old, while my Colombians will take 5-6 before I'm comfortable enough to breed them.

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My bad y'all I finally got a chance to check the genetics on Ludo. His dam is a hytec sharp and sire is anery het sharp. I knew the words were there I just got them backwards.

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Ah! That makes sense! Then he isn't an anery, unless his mother was also het anery. Anery is recessive, so both parents must carry the gene. If his mom wasn't het anery, he's a very nice, gray normal. :)

Mama is het anery. It really doesn't matter either way to me, I just like snakes. I have a few and a small list of others I want to own because they're interesting and beautiful. I appreciate learning from and observing them as well as handling and I take pride in my fastidious care of my animals so that I can provide the safest and "happiest" life possible for each of them. As for why I chose a morph when I couldn't even recall the genetics he possesses I thought he was a pretty baby so I picked him. I'm still new to all this anyway and it'd be wayyyyy irresponsible for me to mess around with breeding until I have much more experience under my belt. I just wanted to share a few photos on occasion where people might actually enjoy them... my friends and family aren't snake fans and they're getting tired of me showing them my "baby pictures" lol

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As stated earlier in the thread, males (usually) are quite a bit smaller than the females. More like a large BP female, or bigger, but not monsters.

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Even an underfed male BCI who is only 5 foot long will end up having much bigger girth than a female BP. I mean much much bigger. Boas continue to grow in girth their entire lives. So a male Boa over 10 years old will be having a massive girth compared to a BP female. Comparing BP to BCI in size?! No way!!

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He's not small for his age at all. Depending on how you're feeding him, I wouldn't worry about his growth rate.

This is my 2 year old male, he's only 3', maybe a few inches shy of 3'. My females are going to be 3 in June, and they're only about 4' or under. Boas grow very, very slowly when they aren't being overfed.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...4c7b503c_b.jpg

(This photo is 2 months old, so he's smaller, but shows his body tone better. You want a rectangular cross section with flat sides and without rounded sides.)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7c532ee8_h.jpg



They either are or aren't anery. It's possible this boa is an anery, as he displays the characteristics of the morph, but he can't have "some" anery.

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Here is my 21 months old boy(5 foot+ and 2300 grams)

[IMG]https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/2ivedkw.jpg[/IMG]

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Mama is het anery. It really doesn't matter either way to me, I just like snakes. I have a few and a small list of others I want to own because they're interesting and beautiful. I appreciate learning from and observing them as well as handling and I take pride in my fastidious care of my animals so that I can provide the safest and "happiest" life possible for each of them. As for why I chose a morph when I couldn't even recall the genetics he possesses I thought he was a pretty baby so I picked him. I'm still new to all this anyway and it'd be wayyyyy irresponsible for me to mess around with breeding until I have much more experience under my belt. I just wanted to share a few photos on occasion where people might actually enjoy them... my friends and family aren't snake fans and they're getting tired of me showing them my "baby pictures" lol

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Agreed! If you do plan on breeding, having some time to get to know the species does nothing but help you. :)

When I've had a choice in picking out my snakes, I tend to pick them out based on their uniqueness as well. :P

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Even an underfed male BCI who is only 5 foot long will end up having much bigger girth than a female BP. I mean much much bigger. Boas continue to grow in girth their entire lives. So a male Boa over 10 years old will be having a massive girth compared to a BP female. Comparing BP to BCI in size?! No way!!

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That isn't necessarily true. Boas do take a long time to grow, but not every boa will continue to grow past 10 years. I'm not really convinced on the indeterminate growth that seems to be common belief. I haven't been able to find any scientific studies that back that claim up (though I'm seriously hindered by lack of ability to pay through pay walls), and what primary sources I could find were religious-based and thus not reliable in this instance. Any sources that further specified on lifelong growth seemed to think that the growth could only be measured in nanometers or micrometers per year, which hardly qualifies as actual real growth in the sense that you can measure it.

Things that can make it seem like they grow throughout their life:
-a stunted individual receiving adequate food well past normal growth periods suddenly hitting a growth spurt
-a boa that only lives to 10-20 years (or less!), when they might not have continued to grow if they had lived longer
-a slow grown boa growing at its normal rate, but not having lived its lifespan yet (again, boas are slow growers, and could potentially grow past 10 years, but might not)

I have also noticed that sometimes boas will hit random growth spurts at random times in their lives, but without any knowledge of other factors, it is impossible to use them as evidence for or against indeterminate growth.

I will agree that the girth is much greater in even a male boa vs a ball python, they are quite thick snakes!