Question about strange behavior

Question. The last two nights Loki has been pressing his face between the bedding and the glass on his tank. It looks like he's trying to rub something off his face yet he's not in shed. He's also been dunking his entire head under water. He had his rat on Tuesday and ate as normal. No RI symptoms. I increased the humidity tonight and it's at 65% it was down to 50% earlier today. Cool side is 80 and hot side is at 97.2 tonight. Hes a pretty good size adult but not sure of his exact weight. He doesn't do this if he's out of his tank. My other bp has never done this before so I'm just a little worried. Any ideas would be great. Also last night I set him in the bath tub for about 5 mins in warm water but he didn't seem to like that too much but he had some poop on his tail and I thought instead of just using a damp cloth that maybe a little soak would do him well. Just plain water with NO soap. thanks! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...135ee14042.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d0467d2b79.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ffb9f87bd0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b9cc54d6f7.jpg

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He's claiming his territory. Its called scent marking. Some don't do it, but some do. It can mean he's really settling in to make it his.

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Originally Posted by donnadudette2003

He's claiming his territory. Its called scent marking. Some don't do it, but some do. It can mean he's really settling in to make it his.

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He's very strange in a good way. He seems to just want to be on me at night and as soon as I take the top off his tank he crawls right on to my hands. He seems to love crawling around on my bed lol. He's more content just exploring. My other ball doesn't like attention and she stays in her hide unless she wants food. They are complete opposites. Loki doesn't even ball up unless he's in his hide. It's really funny. I've had snakes ever since I was little and Loki is the sweetest snake I've ever owned!

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I have an adult female and a juvenile who are opposites also. The adult has always been social and explores. The juvenile is almost always in a ball and prefers her hide. Even when I have her out for holding time she prefers to be under my shirt and not out in the big scary world.

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I've only had Loki for 3months but I've had Baby since she poked her little head out. 6 years. I also had a corn snake who passed away 3 years ago. I had him for almost 15 years. He was crazy lol. I love my smakes. I'm looking to add another one to our family soon!

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Ok ladies.. I have had ball pythons and other snakes for years... scent marking?? I hope you are not being serious....

Cats do rub their faces as a way to scent mark..bc they have glands in their face and can do this....

Snakes do not have the anatomy to do that, do a little research on snake anatomy.

The behavior you are seeing is just typical ball python behavior... some do it...others dont.. just as we are individuals, so are they.

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Ok ladies.. I have had ball pythons and other snakes for years... scent marking?? I hope you are not being serious....

Cats do rub their faces as a way to scent mark..bc they have glands in their face and can do this....

Snakes do not have the anatomy to do that, do a little research on snake anatomy.

The behavior you are seeing is just typical ball python behavior... some do it...others dont.. just as we are individuals, so are they.

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THANK YOU, Jeanne.
Jeanne is absolutely right. Science proves that BPs CAN NOT and DO NOT do any sort of scent marking.

Also, 97 is too hot for an ambient temp.

I should add that they don't have scent glands in their face, that doesn't stop them though.

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Originally Posted by donnadudette2003

I should add that they don't have scent glands in their face, that doesn't stop them though.

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Doesn't stop them from what?

I looked into this last night and nothing I read said anything about scent marking.

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I looked into this last night and nothing I read said anything about scent marking.

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...because snakes don't do it.

No scent glands makes scent marking impossible, just like no hands makes giving high fives impossible.

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THANK YOU, Jeanne.
Jeanne is absolutely right. Science proves that BPs CAN NOT and DO NOT do any sort of scent marking.

Also, 97 is too hot for an ambient temp.

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Yeah he was laying on the probe which is why it was reading higher. I had to adjust it.

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"Typical ball python behavior" but it's not something they do. :/ If a lot of them do it, who cares if they have the glands or not. Just because they don't leave a scent?
Lots of creatures nuzzle to claim things, and very few actually have scents to leave behind.

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I've not read through all these replies but many of mine start to get their shedded skin off by a bit of head rubbing on branches or rocks ...


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Originally Posted by donnadudette2003

He's claiming his territory. Its called scent marking. Some don't do it, but some do. It can mean he's really settling in to make it his.

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"Typical ball python behavior" but it's not something they do. :/ If a lot of them do it, who cares if they have the glands or not. Just because they don't leave a scent?
Lots of creatures nuzzle to claim things, and very few actually have scents to leave behind.

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You claimed it was scent marking in your first reply. Now you're saying who cares if they leave a scent. If you're not sure of something, why state it as if it's fact?

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I looked into this last night and nothing I read said anything about scent marking.

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That is because they DO NOT scent mark. They do not have the anatomy. It isnt scent marking if they just dont have the anatomy... they dont just simulate it either.... they hav no drive or reason to do so.

Sorry.. snakes scent marking idea makes me laugh at anyone who would say it or believe it due to FACT snakes dont have the anatomy.

I ask Other Poster..so, show me where in the world you got this crazy scent marking idea and where you have read it, show me proof. Cause sorry... just dont buy that story.

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Originally Posted by donnadudette2003

"Typical ball python behavior" but it's not something they do. :/ If a lot of them do it, who cares if they have the glands or not. Just because they don't leave a scent?
Lots of creatures nuzzle to claim things, and very few actually have scents to leave behind.

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Think it is time for you to actually study up on snake anatomy.. seriously. Its on the net, easy to find.

Please quit passing out wrong info. Its just silly.

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

...because snakes don't do it.

No scent glands makes scent marking impossible, just like no hands makes giving high fives impossible.

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Best post ever craig roflmao! But just because they can't high five doesn't mean they won't try. That's why they periscope lol

For a second there I thought my snake gave me a high five. Then i realized I dont have a snake, and the high five just came from my other hand. I was disappointed. Maybe someday soon a snake of my own will be there to not give me a high five! :P

I know the anatomy of a snake. I even ALREADY said they don't have scent that they actually give off.
I used the words scent marking when they have no scent glands, yes, that might not make sense. But it's just the term. "marking their territory" would have been the same meaning without the word scent.

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Best post ever craig roflmao! But just because they can't high five doesn't mean they won't try. That's why they periscope lol

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Silly me, I never knew why they periscope til now, hahhaha, they are trying to high five :rofl:;)

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I know the anatomy of a snake. I even ALREADY said they don't have scent that they actually give off.
I used the words scent marking when they have no scent glands, yes, that might not make sense. But it's just the term. "marking their territory" would have been the same meaning without the word scent.

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They are not marking territory either. What mark are they leaving behind? Where do you get this info???
Cite proof or please stop posting random made up nonsense. Many people come here to learn, spreading FALSE info is counter productive and not helping anybody.

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They are not marking territory either. What mark are they leaving behind? Where do you get this info???
Cite proof or please stop posting random made up nonsense. Many people come here to learn, spreading FALSE info is counter productive and not helping anybody.

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fine.

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I know the anatomy of a snake. I even ALREADY said they don't have scent that they actually give off.
I used the words scent marking when they have no scent glands, yes, that might not make sense. But it's just the term. "marking their territory" would have been the same meaning without the word scent.

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Ummm no... just please stop. You havent a source to sight that we can read, so not buying it. You are spreading inaccurate info... for the love of --- just stop.

They do NO "marking of territory". None whatsoever. As I said .. got links to where you learned this inaccurate info? I would love to see them.



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Ummm no... just please stop. You havent a source to sight that we can read, so not buying it. You are spreading inaccurate info... for the love of --- just stop.

They do NO "marking of territory". None whatsoever. As I said .. got links to where you learned this inaccurate info? I would love to see them.



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I know it's none of my business but is it possible to share your point without completely trying to make someone look like an idiot? You gave your facts someone else backed it up end of story also it's a forum which means there's gonna be a bunch of different opinions and "inaccurate info" I haven't seen a thread on here where there's no contradictory info... just saying yes I know I'm late to reply but I didn't see this til now and it really bugged me!

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It's frustrating when someone continues to post completely false info and try to pass them off as facts. That can be really confusing for new people who are trying to learn. It's perfectly okay to not know the answer to a question, but if you don't know then don't post. Opinions are totally fine as long as you make sure to word it as an opinion and not as a fact.

We just want to make sure that everyone is getting correct information on their snakes :) The goal on this forum is to educate people and prevent incorrect info from spreading.

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It's frustrating when someone continues to post completely false info and try to pass them off as facts. That can be really confusing for new people who are trying to learn. It's perfectly okay to not know the answer to a question, but if you don't know then don't post. Opinions are totally fine as long as you make sure to word it as an opinion and not as a fact.

We just want to make sure that everyone is getting correct information on their snakes :) The goal on this forum is to educate people and prevent incorrect info from spreading.

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Fair enough but there's still a way to do it without being rude also the general consensus in this thread is that scent marking isn't really a thing when it comes to snakes so obviously that would be the logical answer to the question. And thank you for not being rude to me for my opinion! :)

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In the context it was used, nope, no such thing as "scent" marking or any marking with their head.

If they rub their head, then it is because something is bothering them. A piece of shed stuck in the nostril or elsewhere, something stuck in the mouth, etc etc.

That said...females can and do "scent mark". Only they use the other end, and it is in order to entice males ;)

As I said before ... Some rub their head on rocks / branches or whatever to get the shedding process started .. Loosen the skin so to speak ..


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