Help! Herpstat2 Heating up.

Please help w/ any ideas....

Just recently purchased a Herpstat2 and thought I had both temps dialed in (using temp gun). After unplugging, the unit and replugging into a new surge protector, one of my outputs has sky rocketed up to 112 degrees even though I have it set to 95 degrees on the unit. For reference, I have two UTH's (one on each side) on the underside of a PVC enclosure taped down w/ foil tape. The Herpstat2 probes are taped to the enclosure between the enclosure and the UTHs w/ a single piece of electrical tape. The tape is on the wire and not the actual probe.

Please help!

The Herpstat2 is at 131 degrees now.....

I unhooked it from the Surgeprotector to see if that was the issue.

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

Please help w/ any ideas....

Just recently purchased a Herpstat2 and thought I had both temps dialed in (using temp gun). After unplugging, the unit and replugging into a new surge protector, one of my outputs has sky rocketed up to 112 degrees even though I have it set to 95 degrees on the unit. For reference, I have two UTH's (one on each side) on the underside of a PVC enclosure taped down w/ foil tape. The Herpstat2 probes are taped to the enclosure between the enclosure and the UTHs w/ a single piece of electrical tape. The tape is on the wire and not the actual probe.

Please help!

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Check to make sure probe is against the UTH. If it's not in direct contact it may send a false reading.Tape it down over probe. Also make sure your herpstat temp is set correctly on the channel you have the probe set to. I had one lose setting when I unplugged it.

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Originally Posted by maconridgedanes

Check to make sure probe is against the UTH. If it's not in direct contact it may send a false reading.Tape it down over probe. Also make sure your herpstat temp is set correctly on the channel you have the probe set to. I had one lose setting when I unplugged it.

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This all seemed to happen when I unplugged everything. I checked the channel setting and it's still at 95 but the temps are 136ish and 100%. The other channel seems to be working fine. My probe was taped to the enclosure but I'll make sure its taped to the UTH. Does it matter what type of tape is used? The instructions just reference not using foil tape. Geez this is frustrating but I appreciate the support and knowledge gained here!

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

This all seemed to happen when I unplugged everything. I checked the channel setting and it's still at 95 but the temps are 136ish and 100%. The other channel seems to be working fine. My probe was taped to the enclosure but I'll make sure its taped to the UTH. Does it matter what type of tape is used? The instructions just reference not using foil tape. Geez this is frustrating but I appreciate the support and knowledge gained here!

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I use foil tape . Have had no worries.

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Also check your probe connection. I'm sure u may have done that . Which if not correct will show missing probe. But I would double check. Make sure probe is in right channel. For heat tape. Just double check. Lol I've done some crazy stuff before.

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Originally Posted by maconridgedanes

Also check your probe connection. I'm sure u may have done that . Which if not correct will show missing probe. But I would double check. Make sure probe is in right channel. For heat tape. Just double check. Lol I've done some crazy stuff before.

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It's definitely not showing missing probe...just a 130ish number :(

As for 'making sure the probe is in the right channel'...i'm not sure if I'm following because won't they work in either one?..... meaning they will just regulate whichever UTH they are hooked up too.

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

It's definitely not showing missing probe...just a 130ish number :(

As for 'making sure the probe is in the right channel'...i'm not sure if I'm following because won't they work in either one?..... meaning they will just regulate whichever UTH they are hooked up too.

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Right channel has a right probe. Left channel has a left probe. Each has a separate channel on a herpstat 2 . You have to go in and setup output 1 and output 2. On your herpstat.

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Try and switch probes and see if the heat up changes to the other channel. If so, you got a faulty probe.

Or u using both channels?

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Try and switch probes and see if the heat up changes to the other channel. If so, you got a faulty probe.

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I agree [emoji2] [emoji2] [emoji2]

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If after swapping probes to opposite channels, you still got a hot channel 2, then you might have faulty flexwatt. Try and temp gun the spot where the probe is and see if it is truly 136ish. If it is, then like i said, you probably got faulty flexwatt.

And you can also try and hit the master reset on the Herpstat unit and go through all the settings again to triple check. If after all that, the stuff is still heating up, then I'd call Dion at Spyder Robotics. But personally I think you got a bad probe.....

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Originally Posted by maconridgedanes

Right channel has a right probe. Left channel has a left probe. Each has a separate channel on a herpstat 2 . You have to go in and setup output 1 and output 2. On your herpstat.

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yes, I did this. I'm using both channels in my setup. Two UTHs

Do what Sauzo says he telling u right. Better than I can explain it.

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

yes, I did this. I'm using both channels in my setup. Two UTHs

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Your using flexwatt tape or the heating pad style of uth ?
Does the herpstat chirp everyonce and awhile?

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

yes, I did this. I'm using both channels in my setup. Two UTHs

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So even when you switched probes to opposite channels, channel 2 still went up to 136ish?

Temp gun the spot where the probe is and see if your temp gun is reading the same or very close to the Herpstat.

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Originally Posted by maconridgedanes

Your using flexwatt tape or the heating pad style of uth ?
Does the herpstat chirp everyonce and awhile?

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I'm using Ultratherm 11x11 UTHs. The Herpstat only chirps when I unplug one of the probes.

Did you swap probes around to see if it still goes high.?

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

So even when you switched probes to opposite channels, channel 2 still went up to 136ish?

Temp gun the spot where the probe is and see if your temp gun is reading the same or very close to the Herpstat.

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Ok, I'll try and lay out what I'm seeing because I'm having a hard time understanding it.....

Original Setup:

Channel 1 (Cool side): Herp Setting (95). Herpstat Reading (136)

Channel 2 (Hot side) : Herp Setting (100). Herpstat Reading (100)

New Setup: (I taped the probe to the UTH which was reporting the 136 above). I also switched the probes on the back of the HerpStat but kept them the same under the UTH

Channel 1 (now hot side): Herp Setting (95). Herpstat Reading (81). Temp Gun Reading (80) Heat needs to penetrate glass bottom

Channel 2 (now cool side): Herp Setting (100). Herpstat Reading (99). Temp Gun Reading (87) Heat needs to penetrate pvc bottom

So to me it looks like it's an issue w/ the channel (1) in the Herpstat and not the probe. Anyone else see it this way??

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

Ok, I'll try and lay out what I'm seeing because I'm having a hard time understanding it.....

Original Setup:

Channel 1 (Cool side): Herp Setting (95). Herpstat Reading (136)

Channel 2 (Hot side) : Herp Setting (100). Herpstat Reading (100)

New Setup: (I taped the probe to the UTH which was reporting the 136 above). I also switched the probes on the back of the HerpStat but kept them the same under the UTH

Channel 1 (now hot side): Herp Setting (95). Herpstat Reading (81). Temp Gun Reading (80) Heat needs to penetrate glass bottom

Channel 2 (now cool side): Herp Setting (100). Herpstat Reading (99). Temp Gun Reading (87) Heat needs to penetrate pvc bottom

So to me it looks like it's an issue w/ the channel (1) in the Herpstat and not the probe. Anyone else see it this way??

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Ok I think u have it .

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

Ok, I'll try and lay out what I'm seeing because I'm having a hard time understanding it.....Original Setup:Channel 1 (Cool side): Herp Setting (95). Herpstat Reading (136)Channel 2 (Hot side) : Herp Setting (100). Herpstat Reading (100)New Setup: (I taped the probe to the UTH which was reporting the 136 above). I also switched the probes on the back of the HerpStat but kept them the same under the UTHChannel 1 (now hot side): Herp Setting (95). Herpstat Reading (81). Temp Gun Reading (80) Heat needs to penetrate glass bottom Channel 2 (now cool side): Herp Setting (100). Herpstat Reading (99). Temp Gun Reading (87) Heat needs to penetrate pvc bottomSo to me it looks like it's an issue w/ the channel (1) in the Herpstat and not the probe. Anyone else see it this way??

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Ok I reread your post and first question is why are you using 2 heat tapes on 1 cage? Heat tape does next to nothing to heat air. If you need to heat the cage ambient, you need to either heat the whole room or put in a small RHP above the hot spot heat tape.

Second is what is this glass and PVC?

As for channel 1, it looks ok. Your Herpstat reading and temp gun reading are the same but your setting is higher. That means either you didn't give it enough time to warm up(is it running 100%) or the probe isn't placed right(again, would be running 100%). If channel 1 isn't running 100% usage, then you probably got a bad probe assuming like I mentioned you have it placed correctly and actually touching the heat tape and floor of the cage only.

As for channel 2, it seem fine. Setting and Herpstat temps are the same and gun temp is low which is normal as you are heating through the PVC.

Now I'm assuming this is a newer Herpstat that has the power level control and its set for 100%. I would reposition the probe and master reset the whole unit and go through setting by setting and then wait an hour and see where you sit. I've had 5 Herpstats and never had a problem unless it was user error my part. I've even squished probes by setting cages on top of them and they still worked although the probe wire was kind of flat instead of round lol.

Cant edit my post. What I meant to say is for channel one, if the setting is 95 and your probe and gun are reading 80 and the unit isn't running at 100% power for that channel, then you might have a bad channel. Again as I said above, I would reposition your probe and make sure it is contacting the heat tape and cage floor 100% and master reset the whole unit and set al your parameters again. If you get the same reading, then you might have to RMA the unit back to Spyder Robotics.

Oh and I'm assuming you are taking all your temp readings with the gun from the inside floor of the cage and not the top of the substrate as that will give you lower readings obviously.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Cant edit my post. What I meant to say is for channel one, if the setting is 95 and your probe and gun are reading 80 and the unit isn't running at 100% power for that channel, then you might have a bad channel. Again as I said above, I would reposition your probe and make sure it is contacting the heat tape and cage floor 100% and master reset the whole unit and set al your parameters again. If you get the same reading, then you might have to RMA the unit back to Spyder Robotics.

Oh and I'm assuming you are taking all your temp readings with the gun from the inside floor of the cage and not the top of the substrate as that will give you lower readings obviously.

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You're post above is what i'm leaning towards being the issue....

I'm using two UTH's because I was unable to get the cool side above 74 degrees. After asking around on this forum and talking with a breeder, it was suggested I incorporate another UTH on the cool side and regulate it at a lower temp (i.e. 80) using the Herpstat2.

All temp readings are being taken w/ a temp gun on the cage floor because I have not added substrate yet.


On the bottom of the left side of the PVC enclosure is a small glass area for a UTH which makes it easier to transfer heat unlike the opposite end which is pvc.


This is a brand new Herpstat2. After leaving it on all night, Channel 1 is still around 80 even though it's set to 95 and Channel 2 was around 104 and its set to 100. Both were at 0% which still makes me think it's a Channel 1 issue
since the setting of this Channel doesn't seem to working regardless of which probe is plugged into the unit. I taped (electrical tape) the "wire" right under the probe to the UTH and secured the UTH to the bottom of the enclosure w/ foil tape.

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

You're post above is what i'm leaning towards being the issue....

I'm using two UTH's because I was unable to get the cool side above 74 degrees. After asking around on this forum and talking with a breeder, it was suggested I incorporate another UTH on the cool side and regulate it at a lower temp (i.e. 80) using the Herpstat2.

All temp readings are being taken w/ a temp gun on the cage floor because I have not added substrate yet.


On the bottom of the left side of the PVC enclosure is a small glass area for a UTH which makes it easier to transfer heat unlike the opposite end which is pvc.


This is a brand new Herpstat2. After leaving it on all night, Channel 1 is still around 80 even though it's set to 95 and Channel 2 was around 104 and its set to 100. Both were at 0% which still makes me think it's a Channel 1 issue
since the setting of this Channel doesn't seem to working regardless of which probe is plugged into the unit. I taped (electrical tape) the "wire" right under the probe to the UTH and secured the UTH to the bottom of the enclosure w/ foil tape.

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Went out and purchased some gorilla tape and going through the process of reattaching tstat probes to each UTH. I taped the cord but the probe has some space. Is this ok? I'm hoping once I tape the UTH to the enclosure, the space will be nonexistent.

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

Went out and purchased some gorilla tape and going through the process of reattaching tstat probes to each UTH. I taped the cord but the probe has some space. Is this ok? I'm hoping once I tape the UTH to the enclosure, the space will be nonexistent.

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If the probe is going to be in between heat mat and the encloser. You'll be fine . If the probe is on bottom of heat mat just hanging. You'll not get a true reading.. I cover my whole probe end with metal tape. I have never had a false reading. As it is the same temp. All the way around the probe.

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Originally Posted by maconridgedanes

If the probe is going to be in between heat mat and the encloser. You'll be fine . If the probe is on bottom of heat mat just hanging. You'll not get a true reading.. I cover my whole probe end with metal tape. I have never had a false reading. As it is the same temp. All the way around the probe.

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I reread your post . It should work fine when you place it in between mat and tank.

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Originally Posted by maconridgedanes

If the probe is going to be in between heat mat and the encloser. You'll be fine . If the probe is on bottom of heat mat just hanging. You'll not get a true reading.. I cover my whole probe end with metal tape. I have never had a false reading. As it is the same temp. All the way around the probe.

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I swear the more you read on here you get different answers ;) Half the people tape the whole probe and the other half say don't put tape on the probe part. I just want to make sure I get this right to eliminate the issues I'm having :cool: Appreciate the response as always!!!

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Watch this it'll help.

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I wouldn't tape the probe end. Also I wouldn't put that huge piece of tape on the heat tape itself. If you are putting the probe between the heat tape and the cage floor, I would just tape one side of the heat tape and the end without the plug, then position the probe and tape the other 2 sides of the heat tape. Your probe shouldn't move. If you are worried, you can put a small piece of tape on the probe wire by the end of the heat tape at the wire connection. But I would personally never put anything between the heat tape and the cage floor except the probe.