Someone please help ID

I purchased a Dinker female who was already gravid around 6 months ago, everything was good didn't know what to expect atall so wasn't hoping for anything special.

Now after a few months and a few sheds I'm very very confused as to what these babies are.

They have been sided with lessers & mojave and are different from both so they are ruled out.

They have been to a handful of shops to try identify and nobody can seem to put the finger on what they are.

I'm fairly new to genetics so I'm hoping someone on here can give me a good indication of what they are.

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I purchased a Dinker female who was already gravid around 6 months ago, everything was good didn't know what to expect atall so wasn't hoping for anything special.

Now after a few months and a few sheds I'm very very confused as to what these babies are.

They have been sided with lessers & mojave and are different from both so they are ruled out.

They have been to a handful of shops to try identify and nobody can seem to put the finger on what they are.

I'm fairly new to genetics so I'm hoping someone on here can give me a good indication of what they are.:cens0r:

Pictures are attached.

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What morph was the father that sired the clutch?

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She was paired with a 3 different males.

Champagne
Ivory
Dinker

Unfortunately the guy I got her from wasn't very helpful on who locked and who didn't so that's what I've got to work off.




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Have you browsed diff snakes on morph market?? That could help. I'm kinda terrible with genes but some that come to my mind that look similar are Mojave mystic harlequin. They're certainly pretty whatever they are.

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I've been looking around the net for the past week or so and the ones I keep coming across that look very similar are black lace & harlequin mojave.

It's driving me insane not knowing what they are!

Thanks! Whoever paired the parents knew what they were doing but didn't want to let on if I'm honest.

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At the least you have Mojaves.

Thankyou!

Mojaves being quite a "regular" morph I'm sure the handful of shops they have been to would have picked this up having them face to face? Also when put next to a mojave they do differ.

If it makes any difference the Tops of there eye balls are metallic silver?

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http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...pskknrwycu.jpgMy female.
Mojaves can vary a lot in color too.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...e/P1030277.jpgMale I sold

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Thankyou!

Mojaves being quite a "regular" morph I'm sure the handful of shops they have been to would have picked this up having them face to face? Also when put next to a mojave they do differ.

If it makes any difference the Tops of there eye balls are metallic silver?

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Many stores are not very knowledgeable to start with :rolleyes: and yes mojave can differs from one another even within the same clutch.

Pattern and color says mojave to the very least. Is there more? Possibly and the only way to know for sure if there is a is by breeding it.

It's hard enough for breeders to tell what they produce at time so imagine having to identify an unknown without pictures of the entire clutch nor the Dam or Sire.

The mojaves I have seen have been a dark brown/gold colour where as these are black and also the dorsal colouring is different.
I understand shades and patterns can differ from one mojave to another but a mojave is still a mojave.

The shops I have been to are friends of mine and are quite knowledgeable and could spot a mojave at the least.

As for pictures of the clutch this is the clutch bar 1 "Normal".

I will post a picture of the female tomorrow to try and shed a little more light on them.

As for pictures of the sire if you read back you will notice I bought her gravid so I cannot provide pictures of them although the potential fathers are: Ivory, champagne & another Dinker.

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http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...pskknrwycu.jpgMy female.
Mojaves can vary a lot in color too.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...e/P1030277.jpgMale I sold

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I still don't see the black?
Dark brows and gold yes but no black.

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Looks just like my mojavies

I have to say they are mojave. If the buyer is unwilling to help you in what he paired to whom he may have just forgotten who paired who
this is my mojave female at 1.5 years and nearly 1000g (976g to be exact)
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...psyr8oufcv.jpg

as you can see she has plenty of black not just brown and gold

They look like mojave's to me. If the female was bought as a dinker, there could be something else going on with it, but the only way you're gonna find out is if you isolate the genes involved. Breed back to a normal and work out from there possibly.

pictures of the female should help

Dinker female (unproved potential genetic trait) bred to a dinker male, champagne, and ivory could produce the following:

Normal or Dinker or semi dinker from female
Normal or Dinker or semi dinker from male
Normal or Champagne from male
Yellowbelly from male

My guess is it's some kind of dinker (note, there are a lot in there) or a yellowbelly or some kind of dinker and yellowbelly

I get a little irate at the use of the term dinker by everyone, there really needs to be a subheading for what trait/s is/are being called into question. Especially in a situation like this.

Additionally I would highly like it if breeders selling females who have been bred also gave you a log of pairings over the years, retained sperm is unlikely but possible

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Dinker female (unproved potential genetic trait) bred to a dinker male, champagne, and ivory could produce the following:

Normal or Dinker or semi dinker from female
Normal or Dinker or semi dinker from male
Normal or Champagne from male
Yellowbelly from male

My guess is it's some kind of dinker (note, there are a lot in there) or a yellowbelly or some kind of dinker and yellowbelly

I get a little irate at the use of the term dinker by everyone, there really needs to be a subheading for what trait/s is/are being called into question. Especially in a situation like this.

Additionally I would highly like it if breeders selling females who have been bred also gave you a log of pairings over the years, retained sperm is unlikely but possible

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Some quick pictures of the mother.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c675e8b489.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1243c35608.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d382fb179a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6e67ca48a7.jpg

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Her belly is just like my male "dinker" xx


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Her belly is just like my male "dinker" xx


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Any ideas of what's in your dinker?
Thanks

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