Adopted sickly python

:( I feel so sad for this guy.

went into a local pet store where I got my first ball python a while back. Noticed how small the python they still had was because mine has over doubled in weight since I got him.

i scrutinized and asked a lot of questions to find out that they didn't even know when they got him but it was no sooner than December, if not before that... I figure they got him in at 1-2 months old. That would make him 7-8 months or perhaps even older.

i was angry about his conditions he was living in. No uth, very low humidity, no hide, and severe eating problems.

it took over a month, talking with multiple managers, repeated phone calls, and then finally telling them I was going to contact the attorney general and report animal neglect, and they FINALLY adopted him out to me for free.

i wasn't going to pay because he is a "fancy" BP that they had priced at 120$ Which is ridiculous.

he is now safe and warm in a very secure little container and will hopefully feel safe enough to eat in a week. I weighed him before he went into his enclosure.... the poor guy is only about sixty grams!!!!

I want to say..... THANK YOU to you guys here and the help you have given me. Thanks to you I am confident I can nurse this guy back to health and give Him a happy, comfortable, stress free life 👍🏼

Btw, I got my first one like 2 or 3 months ago I think.... this is my third one now lol!

i want you guys to see these pictures but I don't know how to attach them. If someone tells me how I will show a few pictures of how skinny this poor guy is.

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Originally Posted by gplegend11

:( I feel so sad for this guy.

went into a local pet store where I got my first ball python a while back. Noticed how small the python they still had was because mine has over doubled in...

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Next thing you know, you're going to be on here telling us stories about you savings rats so that you can breed them for your snakes. Careful. ;)

Click me! :D

Awesome sauce on getting him free! Just remember to keep him well away from your other two for at least three months, maybe longer.

Way to go for saving him for free! I thought this was going to be another "I bought a bp from the store to rescue him" story again lol.

Congrats on your new purchase and remember to properly quarantine.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Congrats on your new purchase and remember to properly quarantine.

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How are you supposed to breed mites if you keep quarantining?

here are a few pictures, thanks for helping me figure out how to post these.

yes he is in in quarantine :D. and yea i made it very clear to them that they WOULD give him to me for free because in no way could it be lawful to sell an animal in such condition. especially to an unknowing, innocent customer.

i even had a worker there argue with me that he wasn't that underweight.

btw i think i have an obsession.... i went to get feeders the other day and almost started crying that i couldn't walk out with their beautiful red tail boa :rolleye2:

and on two good notes, i finally got sampson(first one) to take a rat instead of a mouse at his last feeding, and jasmine(2nd one, have had less than a month) has accepted the last 2 feedings, had a perfect shed, and has relaxed and no longer roams the enclosure. :)

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Good for you for demanding to get the poor animal free. It really is very skinny but so cute. I'm sure you will do a good job nursing the snake back to health in no time. Just take it slow with the poor little thing and everything will go fine.

Nice job! Congrats for intervening. :gj:

Poor baby's probably never seen more than one meal if any at all. Congrats and yes its an obsession I got my first last August now have 4. Just try to keep an eye on how many you are truly able to provide for comfortably and economically and there should be no real problem, except maybe getting people to visit your home!

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here are a few pictures, thanks for helping me figure out how to post these.

yes he is in in quarantine :D. and yea i made it very clear to them that they WOULD give him to me for free because in no way could it be lawful to sell an animal in such condition. especially to an unknowing, innocent customer.

i even had a worker there argue with me that he wasn't that underweight.

btw i think i have an obsession.... i went to get feeders the other day and almost started crying that i couldn't walk out with their beautiful red tail boa :rolleye2:

and on two good notes, i finally got sampson(first one) to take a rat instead of a mouse at his last feeding, and jasmine(2nd one, have had less than a month) has accepted the last 2 feedings, had a perfect shed, and has relaxed and no longer roams the enclosure. :)

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Maybe I'll get shot down in flames here and I've no medical expertise .... but it has a look of dehydration to my untrained eyes !?!

I'm wondering if a short 20 minute soak in a plastic tub ( with a lid ) is worth trying ??

I had amazing success a couple of times over the years when I've taken in similar looking Royals ..


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Maybe I'll get shot down in flames here and I've no medical expertise .... but it has a look of dehydration to my untrained eyes !?!

I'm wondering if a short 20 minute soak in a plastic tub ( with a lid ) is worth trying ??

I had amazing success a couple of times over the years when I've taken in similar looking Royals ..


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hmmm I will do some research now to see if that could be helpful. Anyone else have any opinions on positives/negatives to a soak?
His scales are very very rough and not textured right yes, however he was living in extremely low humidity forever and his tub is at 75% humidity right now which is high and may help. It should slowly drop the next couple days as his substrate dries out.

my initial thought would be to not, just because I really don't want to handle him at all so he can relax sooner which will lead to him eating sooner. But if there would be a major positive to his health by doing so that would outweigh the stress induced then I would.

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. Just try to keep an eye on how many you are truly able to provide for comfortably and economically

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yup I hear you there. I am on standby now for a while before I get my next one. My business is taking off recently so hopefully within 1-2 years I can buy a house, and then I plan to continue building my collection, starting with a larger breed of some sort 😎

Yeah, poor kid looks crispy, he need rehydrating, STAT.

I'm very glad you didn't pay the pet store for the animal. Otherwise, the pet store would have been incentivized to keep bringing more in, taking advantage of people's compassion for animals to make a sale for profit.

Your time wasn't free however, possibly worth much more than the price of the snake, so it's quite generous of you to have expended it on an animal that needed a better home. Getting an animal out of the situation is quite well deserved.

Kudos!

i decided the pros might outweigh the cons so i did take him out yesteday for a small soak. he had been in his enclosure for three days with high end humidity(but still within range), and here he is after his soak before i put him back in.

i do think he is looking less crispy and perhaps even a better color... although of course i may have a bias since i am just happy he is in a good environment now!!

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now just to wait until friday(one week mark) to offer food. i am expecting him to deny the first but hoping at the following week he will take it.

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i decided the pros might outweigh the cons so i did take him out yesteday for a small soak. he had been in his enclosure for three days with high end humidity(but still within range), and here he is after his soak before i put him back in.

i do think he is looking less crispy and perhaps even a better color... although of course i may have a bias since i am just happy he is in a good environment now!!

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/img_0164.jpg

now just to wait until friday(one week mark) to offer food. i am expecting him to deny the first but hoping at the following week he will take it.

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He looks plumper to my 'biased' eyes :)

How long was he soaking for and was there a lid on or did you watch him in an open container ??


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He looks plumper to my 'biased' eyes :)

How long was he soaking for and was there a lid on or did you watch him in an open container ??


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he did just about a ten minute soak. The lid was rested on top and tilted just slightly so there was a small opening. I was happy to see he unballed and let his whole body lay in the water.

Even my "don't soak the snake" self might soak this one. If i did not see him drinking or he started to stress I would immediately stop and not repeat. Stress on top of the condition that animal is already in could be very bad. Something needs to go into that animal soon. When it does, I suggest the the prey is wet. I would not wait. I would make sure it eats.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

Something needs to go into that animal soon. When it does, I suggest the the prey is wet. I would not wait. I would make sure it eats.

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This. I would try a f/t hopper mouse, warm it up in warm water, and offer it wet. The fur on the hopper will hold more moisture than a rat fuzzy of the same feeder weight.

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Originally Posted by gplegend11

:( I feel so sad for this guy.

went into a local pet store where I got my first ball python a while back. Noticed how small the python they still had was because mine has over doubled in weight since I got him.

i scrutinized and asked a lot of questions to find out that they didn't even know when they got him but it was no sooner than December, if not before that... I figure they got him in at 1-2 months old. That would make him 7-8 months or perhaps even older.

i was angry about his conditions he was living in. No uth, very low humidity, no hide, and severe eating problems.

it took over a month, talking with multiple managers, repeated phone calls, and then finally telling them I was going to contact the attorney general and report animal neglect, and they FINALLY adopted him out to me for free.

i wasn't going to pay because he is a "fancy" BP that they had priced at 120$ Which is ridiculous.

he is now safe and warm in a very secure little container and will hopefully feel safe enough to eat in a week. I weighed him before he went into his enclosure.... the poor guy is only about sixty grams!!!!

I want to say..... THANK YOU to you guys here and the help you have given me. Thanks to you I am confident I can nurse this guy back to health and give Him a happy, comfortable, stress free life 👍🏼

Btw, I got my first one like 2 or 3 months ago I think.... this is my third one now lol!

i want you guys to see these pictures but I don't know how to attach them. If someone tells me how I will show a few pictures of how skinny this poor guy is.

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First off, awesome on you for getting that done and rescuing the poor guy!!!

There was a beautiful little guy/girl at my local big box store a few weeks ago who was looking real bad. He was super thin, obviously dehydrated and starting what I knew would be a horrible shed. I talked to the employee and pointed out what was obviously wrong with the poor snake. He said the woman who usually does snake maintenance was in the next day and he would leave her a note...

Well, fast forward almost two weeks and I was back in the store and wanted to check on the snake, hoping I would be told he had shed, eaten and gone to a good home. No dice, he was still there, and worse off than before. I spoke to the woman who does the snake maintenance and she said he was just going into shed. He had shed all but his head and eyecaps!!! There was shed skin in the enclosure!!! And I had been in there two weeks prior!!! I was pretty ticked off at this point and told her she needs to get that snake a soak and a damp towel and help with his head/eyes. I showed her the dents in the eyes and explained to her how badly dehydrated this poor thing was. She immediately brought him out back for a soak and came back out a few minutes later and told me she got the eye caps off. I suggested she get that poor snake some water and a wet meal. She said she would...

This was about two weeks ago. I'm going back there tomorrow. I'm hoping this animal is doing much better.
but...I'm skeptical.

If the snake doesn't look any better I may try to do what you did. Any pointers or advice on how I may be able to rescue this animal without financially contributing to their neglect?

I didn't want to soak him due to that but I do think it helped, I didn't see if he drank though. I am not going to soak again but his humidity stays 60-75 right now.

Friday will be a full week in his enclosure and I really was thinking to wait until then so I don't screw it all up by trying too soon... I know he needs food but potentially if I try too soon and he rejects, that could make it worse. I'll try tonight if the veterans here think I should though...

potential problem is, they would always try to feed him in a separate enclosure and it was a f/t mouse fuzzy. i am going to feed him in his enclosure but I wonder if that switch will make a difference to how receptive he is. Or if I switch from a fuzzy to a hopper, even though it's more appropriAtely sized he has never seen that size.

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Originally Posted by gplegend11

I didn't want to soak him due to that but I do think it helped, I didn't see if he drank though. I am not going to soak again but his humidity stays 60-75 right now.

Friday will be a full week in his enclosure and I really was thinking to wait until then so I don't screw it all up by trying too soon... I know he needs food but potentially if I try too soon and he rejects, that could make it worse. I'll try tonight if the veterans here think I should though...

potential problem is, they would always try to feed him in a separate enclosure and it was a f/t mouse fuzzy. i am going to feed him in his enclosure but I wonder if that switch will make a difference to how receptive he is. Or if I switch from a fuzzy to a hopper, even though it's more appropriAtely sized he has never seen that size.

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Ok, normally I would say repeat the exact prey item and method of feeding that was being used when you got him and then work at changing later. However, unless you saw this animal eat I would not believe it. He has not eaten much. So, its kind of up to you what method to try first. Once again, the animal must eat. Read that as you see fit. Hopefully he makes life easy for you, if not feel free to PM me or another one of the experienced people on here that can walk you through what needs to happen.

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First off, awesome on you for getting that done and rescuing the poor guy!!!

There was a beautiful little guy/girl at my local big box store a few weeks ago who was looking real bad. He was super thin, obviously dehydrated and starting what I knew would be a horrible shed. I talked to the employee and pointed out what was obviously wrong with the poor snake. He said the woman who usually does snake maintenance was in the next day and he would leave her a note...

Well, fast forward almost two weeks and I was back in the store and wanted to check on the snake, hoping I would be told he had shed, eaten and gone to a good home. No dice, he was still there, and worse off than before. I spoke to the woman who does the snake maintenance and she said he was just going into shed. He had shed all but his head and eyecaps!!! There was shed skin in the enclosure!!! And I had been in there two weeks prior!!! I was pretty ticked off at this point and told her she needs to get that snake a soak and a damp towel and help with his head/eyes. I showed her the dents in the eyes and explained to her how badly dehydrated this poor thing was. She immediately brought him out back for a soak and came back out a few minutes later and told me she got the eye caps off. I suggested she get that poor snake some water and a wet meal. She said she would...

This was about two weeks ago. I'm going back there tomorrow. I'm hoping this animal is doing much better.
but...I'm skeptical.

If the snake doesn't look any better I may try to do what you did. Any pointers or advice on how I may be able to rescue this animal without financially contributing to their neglect?

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Yes perhaps, I actually have quite a lot of experience in dealing with corps and business in situations that seem unable to be resolved. as you know the corporate world can be hit or miss for you to find help but you could try a few things. Here's basically what I did....

first thing, when you go in next just say that you are interested in the snake and would like for them to check the records for you to see what the date is for when they got him in, as well as the dates of the previous couple months he ate( both by himself or forced).

Look at his enclosure and make note of everything that is unhealthy for the snake. (Uth system? Humidity levels, temperature, where the thermometer is, kind of hide, lamp placement).
ex:mine had no uth, and the cheapest of thermometers was placed directly under the lamp, 30% humidity, and an open half bark hide.

Then I would Talk with the department manager and tell them the snake is on the verge of being too sickly to sell and it is a good advocate for their adoption program. You may have to literally use that term.

I don't want to use the specific store name, but I had to ask many different people and many times of what it would take for them to give me the snake for free due to its condition. Each person said they never do that until the animal outgrows its enclosure( which obviously it will die from neglect before it grows because it won't eat).

Finally the "adoption program" term came up which is of course when they give the animal to someone for free for one reason or another. Most likely the department manager can make the decision. Just be ready to explain why they NEED to allow you to adopt him. These are a few things I said....

1- present his age, his eating habits, and a good judgement of his size compared to what he should be(because you already asked them this info earlier), and how it proves that soon he will die or not be able to be sold.

2- present everything wrong with his enclosure and how it effects his health, how the purpose of the enclosure is designed to be TEMPORARY, and how it leads to the stress which causes him not to eat.

3- present your knowledge and background on the species and how very soon they will have a sick snake to deal with and they will not be able to sell it. If they let you have it, you can help to nurse him to full health and they will get to order a new completely healthy snake.

They may tell you they would have to ask their regional manager for approval or to see what the options are. The good news is that due to the nature of customer service, they will have to hear you out.

Basically, present your case that lets them know you care, you know there is animal negligence going on, and that they WILL adopt him out to you and no is not an acceptable answer(in a polite way). Of course, the longer he has been there and the smaller he is in ratio to his age/weight the more serious it is.

combine the information they give you about him, your observations, and your expertise. If then you truly believe he is in danger, you absolutely have the right to tell them they are required to adopt him out.

last option, if they really refuse, tell them okay and that you will be contacting the attorney generals office about this illegal action of animal negligence and they will need to let the store/regional manager know that they will be hearing from a representative from the attorney generals office in a couple days. Then let me know and I can hook you up with how to input your case to the attorney generals office.

it is a free lawyer appointed to your submitted case that looks at your submission and then contacts the business to question them. Business hate being contacted because each time It is recorded and they could be fined or have a bad business rating, so just the term attorney general has worked a couple times for me. I have used them 3 times against different companies when I did not like their actions towards me, and they have taken care of it in my favor within a few days to a week each time. 👍🏼

That's at least how I did it, Good luck!

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Originally Posted by gplegend11

i am going to feed him in his enclosure but I wonder if that switch will make a difference to how receptive he is. Or if I switch from a fuzzy to a hopper, even though it's more appropriAtely sized he has never seen that size.

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Poor thing is very very skinny. I'd stick with a fuzzy so it's easier on his system. If you can get a live one, I'd probably go for that so he's more likely to accept. I'd also make sure to check on his hydration before you try to feed him. You can use the same skin tenting method as on pretty much everything. Feeding a severely dehydrated animal will kill it.

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Yes perhaps, I actually have quite a lot of experience in dealing with corps and business in situations that seem unable to be resolved. as you know the corporate world can be hit or miss for you to find help but you could try a few things. Here's basically what I did....

first thing, when you go in next just say that you are interested in the snake and would like for them to check the records for you to see what the date is for when they got him in, as well as the dates of the previous couple months he ate( both by himself or forced).

Look at his enclosure and make note of everything that is unhealthy for the snake. (Uth system? Humidity levels, temperature, where the thermometer is, kind of hide, lamp placement).
ex:mine had no uth, and the cheapest of thermometers was placed directly under the lamp, 30% humidity, and an open half bark hide.

Then I would Talk with the department manager and tell them the snake is on the verge of being too sickly to sell and it is a good advocate for their adoption program. You may have to literally use that term.

I don't want to use the specific store name, but I had to ask many different people and many times of what it would take for them to give me the snake for free due to its condition. Each person said they never do that until the animal outgrows its enclosure( which obviously it will die from neglect before it grows because it won't eat).

Finally the "adoption program" term came up which is of course when they give the animal to someone for free for one reason or another. Most likely the department manager can make the decision. Just be ready to explain why they NEED to allow you to adopt him. These are a few things I said....

1- present his age, his eating habits, and a good judgement of his size compared to what he should be(because you already asked them this info earlier), and how it proves that soon he will die or not be able to be sold.

2- present everything wrong with his enclosure and how it effects his health, how the purpose of the enclosure is designed to be TEMPORARY, and how it leads to the stress which causes him not to eat.

3- present your knowledge and background on the species and how very soon they will have a sick snake to deal with and they will not be able to sell it. If they let you have it, you can help to nurse him to full health and they will get to order a new completely healthy snake.

They may tell you they would have to ask their regional manager for approval or to see what the options are. The good news is that due to the nature of customer service, they will have to hear you out.

Basically, present your case that lets them know you care, you know there is animal negligence going on, and that they WILL adopt him out to you and no is not an acceptable answer(in a polite way). Of course, the longer he has been there and the smaller he is in ratio to his age/weight the more serious it is.

combine the information they give you about him, your observations, and your expertise. If then you truly believe he is in danger, you absolutely have the right to tell them they are required to adopt him out.

last option, if they really refuse, tell them okay and that you will be contacting the attorney generals office about this illegal action of animal negligence and they will need to let the store/regional manager know that they will be hearing from a representative from the attorney generals office in a couple days. Then let me know and I can hook you up with how to input your case to the attorney generals office.

it is a free lawyer appointed to your submitted case that looks at your submission and then contacts the business to question them. Business hate being contacted because each time It is recorded and they could be fined or have a bad business rating, so just the term attorney general has worked a couple times for me. I have used them 3 times against different companies when I did not like their actions towards me, and they have taken care of it in my favor within a few days to a week each time. 👍🏼

That's at least how I did it, Good luck!

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Awesome!! Thank you so much for all the info. I really hope I get there and see a healthier snake than what I saw the last two times I was there.
I'll be sure to share any worthwhile news.
Fingers crossed...

Well it looks like we got an eater!!!! Not only did he strike very quickly when I moved it a bit in front of his hide but he shot out like a bullit and wrapped that sucker up. Woohoo! He took that mouse more enthusiastically than I have ever seen my other two do. I'm hoping he continues with that habit lol.

Awesome! I'm glad he ate!!

...the snake was no longer at the store when I got there today...

Great rescue story! :)

I noticed Pet stores are keeping new-born babies on a rare feeding schedule, cause until it is small it`s easier to sell. I think this should not be a reason for not feeding a snake. On the other side if it reaches the adult size, a breeder might see an opportunity and will buy it.

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Well it looks like we got an eater!!!! Not only did he strike very quickly when I moved it a bit in front of his hide but he shot out like a bullit and wrapped that sucker up. Woohoo! He took that mouse more enthusiastically than I have ever seen my other two do. I'm hoping he continues with that habit lol.

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I am very glad to hear he ate easily. Saves you from having to do it the hard way. He's got the will to live so he will probably recover quickly.

I have too many stories from when I worked at a big box pet store that did these same things. While I quit to pursue a job closer to my major, I would have EASILY lost my sanity had I stayed there longer. From feeding them basically pinkies every 7 days to chronic stuck shed to just straight up deterioration and euthanization because the conditions were awful and the managers never wanted to deal with the adoption process. It's hard to work there and not try to smuggle them all out ever night. Ever time I go in to buy supplies for my pets, I see a more disappointing setup for the bp's. Three that I know of died from ignorance and/or basic neglect.

I'm glad you were able to work it out! The store you worked with seemed much more reasonable than mine. A gorgeous 1000+g BP stayed in a not even 10 gal size enclosure for over a year before it was discounted (not even adopted out) from its $350 price tag. So even that rule is a myth sometimes. The managers I worked with always pushed it aside :/ The BP y'all helped out looked like every BP I saw in the store for more than two weeks.

I would imagine describing proper living conditions would be an easy home run in any case, there's nothing correct about the husbandry in most stores. It all depends on the managers and then employees to correctly house these animals, and most places keep it cheap. Never once saw a BP shed without assistance or without stuck shed. A few easy things to spot for a complaint/adoption proposal: would catch dirty or empty water bowls, no hides, one hide no decorations and two snakes competing for a warm spot, starvation, visible ribs/spine, days old poop (no excuse, they poop MAYBE once a week), blatantly dangerous/inappropriate temps, cohabbing frequently, huge snake tiny space, and ask to see feeding records and see how many weeks without food they've gone due to stress. Please don't be afraid to speak out, even if you don't plan to adopt, maybe even ask for corporate's contact info. Just do NOT be hostile and no matter how hard it is, don't be a know-it-all jerk. Staff will NOT take you seriously, and will make you a joke the second you leave. Chances are they literally don't know any better.

Buying is not rescue, adoption is much more effective. While the breeders will still send more to replace it, they won't have made any money off it, and there will be a record of the conditions of the adoption. If it happens enough, perhaps the store will no longer be allowed to sell reptiles. //endrant

Yea I am excited to try again next time. I'm really hoping it goes just as well. I'll keep you guys posted if he keeps feeding easily or if he becomes a trouble maker 👍🏼.

Actually I do have a question for you all. How long do you guys think I should wait before trying 2nd feeding? A full week to give him lots of time to stay relaxed or a few days sooner since he is so skinny?

In my opinion, if he is out and looking for food (probably at night if he's like mine), if it's as close as five days I'd say go for it. You can certainly wait a full 7 days, but I would think if he's comfortable enough to want food in a few days, take the opportunity to establish a feeding schedule. If he knows he has the right temps to digest a meal and he's safe enough to sit around and let it settle, that's perfect. Just hold out and see how it goes and if he's up for it.

Well just an update for you guys. He's eating like a freaking champ. Today I fed him his hopper mouse. Afterwards he continued to stick his head outside of his hide and seem interested for more... I heated up another and whabam! He took down the 2nd one like the beast he is. I have now named him Rudy. The little underdog to make a success out of himself....(if you have seen the movie).

i will post a few pictures of him in a few days after he has time to digest so you can see how much better he looks.

here he is.... looking much better. this is after 3 consecutive successful feedings.


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quick comparison pic from when I got him....

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He looks completely different. That's awesome!


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He looks so much chubbier! He's adorable!

AWESOME! :gj:

He looks so much better🐍😆 good job on nursing him this far[emoji122] may he become a strong noodle[emoji7]

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Wow, what a difference a few meals makes. Congrats on rescuing him and giving him the life he deserves. It aggravates me so much to see any animal neglected like that. I just don't understand people.

thanks you guys! I am surprised at how much he has physically changed, and how he has not only been receptive to feeding but has shown more enthusiasm for it than my other two. he came half way out of his hide and very impatiently waited this last time as it thawed on top of his enclosure lol.

then he asked for 2nds and gladly accepted. amazing. I took him out just to take his picture and I forgot to weigh him. I am going to start handling him for maybe 5-10 minutes between his next couple feedings and see if he is ready for that.

I will weigh him after his next feeding when I take him out for those few minutes, I bet he will have doubled in weight.

He looks doubled in size thickness wise. Great job. What a handsome guy.

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