Progression thread!!! Female hypo bci

Hello everyone, this will be 1 of 2 progression threads i will post the males thread as soon as I have more pics of him. I received them today 12/8/16 from Matt cook which can be found on "boa constrictor keepers" fb page. she is a hypo het albino and she was born March 2016. I do not have names for them yet (open to suggestions lol) Anyways enough of me rambling here are some pics of her.

She roamed for about a hour then found a little place to sit for awhile.
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Then she decided to borrow and no I was not in the cage I won't bother them for a week I promise lol
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When lights went out she started to play pick-a-boo.
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Will post more pics soon... Thank you

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Nice looking little boa. I like that last picture lol.

I like the eye contrast with its body color! It's funny how it decided to burry and peek its head out :rofl:

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Nice looking little boa. I like that last picture lol.

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thank you sauzo....yea she froze like that for about 5 minutes flicking her tongue then decided to come out right before I had to come to work.

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I like the eye contrast with its body color! It's funny how it decided to burry and peek its head out :rofl:

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yea she is deff a beauty my phone camera does not really show her colors that good. she laid like that for awhile with just her little head poking out.

edit: her eyes are completely black idk if that is normal but I thought is was really cool.

Ok her eyes are not completly black lol I guess the pupil was just really big when i looked lol

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We have found a name: nyx

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Well she eat a f/t meal for me yesterday...

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Good looking girl, enjoy! :)

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Good looking girl, enjoy! :)

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Thank you!!!

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I love that peekaboo picture, that was adorable ^_^

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I love that peekaboo picture, that was adorable ^_^

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Yes it is.... she has done this every morning since I got her as soon as the lights come on she borrows everything but her head [emoji1]

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Almost messed up this afternoon...thought I would get a little hold time in which I did I held her for about 10-15 minutes but I got this the whole time she was in my hands

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I wanted to take pics while I was holding her but If I would of moved my other hand she would have struck I haven't been biten yet and kinda want to just to get it over with but kinda glad she didnt... I'm hoping the next handling session goes a little better maybe it cuz I only waited 24 hours after feeding lol maybe I should wait longer next time but anyways here is another pic

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Lol she is all worked up there. Her eyes are kind of like Rosey's eyes. Give her a few weeks and i'm sure she will mellow out. You haven't graduated from being "Giant Godzilla Snake Eater Monster" to " Tree of Rodent Dropping". Then final phase is "The Rat God" and that's where your boa will let you drag her around anywhere in any position and just sit there looking around lol.

Pretty snake! Look forward to seeing her progress! And yes. That's the best part of raising them from babies, is seeing their feistiness and attitudes change.


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Lol she is all worked up there. Her eyes are kind of like Rosey's eyes. Give her a few weeks and i'm sure she will mellow out. You haven't graduated from being "Giant Godzilla Snake Eater Monster" to " Tree of Rodent Dropping". Then final phase is "The Rat God" and that's where your boa will let you drag her around anywhere in any position and just sit there looking around lol.

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well I cant remember where I seen it but I remember reading that if you do pick them up and they are like that to "not back down" and to keep holding them and I did even know their was not hissing or striking she deff looked at me like move and ill bite but I keep holding her for another 10-15 minutes I hope I am doing it right I want to move forward in her trust not lose more....I cant wait till I can get them puppy dog tame but the experience doing it will be amazing I love learning the independent behaviors that snakes have... how long should I wait before holding her again should I do it just a little bit everyday I also heard someone saying that putting a t-shirt that I have wore in their will also help but I figured that was for way more aggressive snakes

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Pretty snake! Look forward to seeing her progress! And yes. That's the best part of raising them from babies, is seeing their feistiness and attitudes change.

I love her already im figuring the reason she was like that is because she had just ate about 24 hours before I reached in and picked her up next time im most likely wait about 48 hours.... thank you

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Nice girl!

Regular but positive handling sessions are the key. You do want to keep them out just long enough to calm down, but as soon as they calm down they should be put away so as not to stress them for too long. I've honestly had a lot of luck "taming" 3 different snappy snakes by handling them once or twice every other week, I didn't have to handle them much at all. Morzan took a couple months to calm down, and Tirel and Crona calmed down after a few weeks to a month. Adding extra hides really helped in Crona's case, he's in a 66 qt tub. Started out with 4-5 hides and a big fake vine, added a couple more and he calmed down. I've since removed one and replaced another with a bigger hide since he's grown some. All 3 have remained docile, I've had Morzan ~9 months, and Tirel and Crona for ~5 months.

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Nice girl!

Regular but positive handling sessions are the key. You do want to keep them out just long enough to calm down, but as soon as they calm down they should be put away so as not to stress them for too long. I've honestly had a lot of luck "taming" 3 different snappy snakes by handling them once or twice every other week, I didn't have to handle them much at all. Morzan took a couple months to calm down, and Tirel and Crona calmed down after a few weeks to a month. Adding extra hides really helped in Crona's case, he's in a 66 qt tub. Started out with 4-5 hides and a big fake vine, added a couple more and he calmed down. I've since removed one and replaced another with a bigger hide since he's grown some. All 3 have remained docile, I've had Morzan ~9 months, and Tirel and Crona for ~5 months.

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thank you cloud!! I plan on doing some handling sessions on a regular basis but not to often. I tried yesterday with her like I said but she wasent having it I mean no hissing or snapping she was just coiled back waiting to strike while NEVER taking her eyes off me lol and everytime I moved I could feel her whole body tense up but she was also flicking her tongue so idk really what that meant lol... iv never handled a snake that acted like that so it did kinda startle me.... I mean when they act like that what do you do.. do you stand very still like a statue like I did :D or what? I only have two hides in the cage and a big fake vine as well and a that branch looking thing that she loves to climb on but for the most part she stays under the substrate (aspen) with just her head poking out so she can see what is going on

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well I cant remember where I seen it but I remember reading that if you do pick them up and they are like that to "not back down" and to keep holding them and I did even know their was not hissing or striking she deff looked at me like move and ill bite but I keep holding her for another 10-15 minutes I hope I am doing it right I want to move forward in her trust not lose more....I cant wait till I can get them puppy dog tame but the experience doing it will be amazing I love learning the independent behaviors that snakes have... how long should I wait before holding her again should I do it just a little bit everyday I also heard someone saying that putting a t-shirt that I have wore in their will also help but I figured that was for way more aggressive snakes

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Yes if the snake strikes or does something not wanted, you should not reward them with being put back in the cage as that will reinforce that behavior. Taming them down will come with time. Its not something you can rush or force on them. Snakes aren't like dogs where you can more or less 'break" them. You will just make them stress more and more and get worse and worse. Since your boa is so new, I personally would just leave them alone and just let them watch the area, see you changing water every other day, spot cleaning any poops or pees, feeding them, just doing the daily stuff. Soon they will realize you aren't going to eat them and then them being curious will usually come over to see whats going on. Then you can start working with handling them for a little while at a time. I wouldn't do it daily until your boas are comfortable being out.

I started out with mine just handling them every couple days. You don't need to handle your boa all the time for them to stay mellow. A couple times a week is plenty and some boas like it more than others. Like Vicky doesn't mind coming out but she isn't nearly as gung ho about it as Rosey is. Rosey LOVES to come out and sit on me or ride around on me while I do stuff but she does have days where I open the cage and she just looks outside at me and turns around and goes back in the cage. After you have them long enough, you learn to read them more or less.

I never did the t-shirt thing. They learn soon enough from smelling you/the environment every day and seeing you doing the daily stuff in their cages. My advice is just let them settle in and get relaxed. First and foremost, you want to get them eating and pooping regularly, then you can start working with them.

Lol wait until you get that one snake that is a bear to work with. My JCP was a TERROR. She bit me at least 20 times and ive only had her just over 3 months. I've gotten her where I can take her out fairly confidently and not get bit but I don't let anyone near her as she will take a shot at anything within reach if it pisses her off haha. She took a shot at a pop can when I took a drink with her sitting around my neck/shoulders. She then hissed loudly at the can haha. Once you can tame down something like that, everything else is childs play hahaha.

Heres a picture of her. I call her Angry Allie lol.
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Yes if the snake strikes or does something not wanted, you should not reward them with being put back in the cage as that will reinforce that behavior. Taming them down will come with time. Its not something you can rush or force on them. Snakes aren't like dogs where you can more or less 'break" them. You will just make them stress more and more and get worse and worse. Since your boa is so new, I personally would just leave them alone and just let them watch the area, see you changing water every other day, spot cleaning any poops or pees, feeding them, just doing the daily stuff. Soon they will realize you aren't going to eat them and then them being curious will usually come over to see whats going on. Then you can start working with handling them for a little while at a time. I wouldn't do it daily until your boas are comfortable being out.

I started out with mine just handling them every couple days. You don't need to handle your boa all the time for them to stay mellow. A couple times a week is plenty and some boas like it more than others. Like Vicky doesn't mind coming out but she isn't nearly as gung ho about it as Rosey is. Rosey LOVES to come out and sit on me or ride around on me while I do stuff but she does have days where I open the cage and she just looks outside at me and turns around and goes back in the cage. After you have them long enough, you learn to read them more or less.

I never did the t-shirt thing. They learn soon enough from smelling you/the environment every day and seeing you doing the daily stuff in their cages. My advice is just let them settle in and get relaxed. First and foremost, you want to get them eating and pooping regularly, then you can start working with them.

Lol wait until you get that one snake that is a bear to work with. My JCP was a TERROR. She bit me at least 20 times and ive only had her just over 3 months. I've gotten her where I can take her out fairly confidently and not get bit but I don't let anyone near her as she will take a shot at anything within reach if it pisses her off haha. She took a shot at a pop can when I took a drink with her sitting around my neck/shoulders. She then hissed loudly at the can haha. Once you can tame down something like that, everything else is childs play hahaha.

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thank you sauzo I will do exactly that I figured it was too soon anyways for the handling the only reason I got her out in the first place today (besides me really wanting to haha) is that I was changing the water and she came out from underneath the substrate and was watching me and slowly coming closer while flickering her tongue so me being me I just picked her up thinking "well the male was perfectly ok why wouldn she be" not thinking that every single snake is completely different and that's when she realized she wasent having it lol and by then I knew if I just put her back right then she would maybe keep doing that just to be put back like you said so next time I will just let her watch me..... and another thing about pooping are they kinda like bp's can they go forever without or are they more regular (to a point lol)....so I should wait for what a couple weeks before trying again just do the normal cleaning of the cage till then I really don't want to stress her more than I have already (but to be honest I think it stressed me more than it did her :D ) but I am willing to wait as long as I have to I think what really made me pick her up was it was my new baby and well everybody just wants to hold their new snake but lesson learned thank you (lesson learned: patience is key!!!) thank you sauzo and I really like your jcp iv been wanting some kind of arboreal snake but I want to get these guys settled in before I take on new challenges lol (this hobby is soooooo addicting but its the best addiction iv had) bite by one snake 20 TIMES I just want to get bite once and that's just to get it over with lol ill pass on all the others

No problem. Every snake is different. Rosey goes poop about every 2 weeks or so while Vicky poops pretty much monthly. Its easy to tell, just open the cage and stick your nose in there lol. You will smell it. Also my snakes will pace the front of the cage after they poop like they are trying to get away from it haha. Well the boas at least. The retic always poops on his cool side corner and then goes back over to the warm side. I just flashlight the back corner of the cool side and can usually spot it or i'll slide the door open and take a whiff lol.

And yeah, if the little girl is just wandering over sniffing, she is just checking out whats going on. Let her do that and after a few times, I bet she will come check out your hand lol....or she will take a shot at it thinking its dinner haha. Either way, she will initiate the interaction ;)

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No problem. Every snake is different. Rosey goes poop about every 2 weeks or so while Vicky poops pretty much monthly. Its easy to tell, just open the cage and stick your nose in there lol. You will smell it. Also my snakes will pace the front of the cage after they poop like they are trying to get away from it haha. Well the boas at least. The retic always poops on his cool side corner and then goes back over to the warm side. I just flashlight the back corner of the cool side and can usually spot it or i'll slide the door open and take a whiff lol.

And yeah, if the little girl is just wandering over sniffing, she is just checking out whats going on. Let her do that and after a few times, I bet she will come check out your hand lol....or she will take a shot at it thinking its dinner haha. Either way, she will initiate the interaction ;)

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ok, I just don't like the thought of me stressing her out I should of waited anyways but the anticipation got the better of me this time but it wont happen again haha plus it doesent help that im very impatient. I think I might try round two with the Aether today he seems very chill maybe I can just focus more with working with him for now and just do the normal routine (no handling) with her for a couple more weekly feedings
then see what happens....thank you sauzo

Well I decided to give it another go with handling nyx and it went very well actually... I went and picked up a snake hook so I could start doing to tap training and today I opened her cage she was laying with just her head sticking out of aspen (like always haha) so I gently rubbed her neck area with it she was a little jumpy and curious at first then I just reached in and picked her up I made sure I was not nervous in anyway.... I think I figured her out she gets nervous when she senses nervousness if that make sense like for instance the last time I got her out I think since she looked like she was going to strike so I got nervous (never been bitten) and so that made her nervous which made me even more nervous which all ended in her looking the way she did in that picture when I put her back in her cage so what I need to do it to just not get that way when I'm holding her and now that I figured out that as soon as I start moving her around in my hands she starts to get curious and roams about everywhere haha but anyways here are some pics of our successful handling session (she actually sits still for pics unlike aether) she may not look like it from the pics but she was actually really calm and wanting to explore
... Oh and she weighs in at: 117g

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Awesome. And yeah snakes get nervous if you are nervous. I found that out with Caesar when I got him. I was afraid he was going to bite me so I tried to hook train him and it made him mad. He opened his mouth at the hook lol. I gave up and just use a twisted up paper towel to rub on his head if he is excited when I open the door. otherwise I just reach in from the side and scoop him up from underneath and he's fine. Sometimes he wants to come out and other times he just tries to squirm off lol.

I never hooked trained my boas. I just reached in lol. But I did use the go in from the side and underneath method until I was pretty sure they were "tamed". Now with Rosey who i'vre had for 4 years, I just grab her whenever. Vicky I've only had almost 2 years and I go in from the sides with her as she seems to really love to eat and usually her response to the door opening is perk up and look for dinner, kind of like Caesar lol.

I'm sure she will mellow out more with time. Once they get to know you and know you aren't going to hurt them, they tend to not even care about you grabbing them. At least mine don't seem to care. Plus with age comes confidence. Older bigger snakes know they are pretty safe.

And I remember the days when my girls were small like that /tear :)

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Awesome. And yeah snakes get nervous if you are nervous. I found that out with Caesar when I got him. I was afraid he was going to bite me so I tried to hook train him and it made him mad. He opened his mouth at the hook lol. I gave up and just use a twisted up paper towel to rub on his head if he is excited when I open the door. otherwise I just reach in from the side and scoop him up from underneath and he's fine. Sometimes he wants to come out and other times he just tries to squirm off lol.

I never hooked trained my boas. I just reached in lol. But I did use the go in from the side and underneath method until I was pretty sure they were "tamed". Now with Rosey who i'vre had for 4 years, I just grab her whenever. Vicky I've only had almost 2 years and I go in from the sides with her as she seems to really love to eat and usually her response to the door opening is perk up and look for dinner, kind of like Caesar lol.

I'm sure she will mellow out more with time. Once they get to know you and know you aren't going to hurt them, they tend to not even care about you grabbing them. At least mine don't seem to care. Plus with age comes confidence. Older bigger snakes know they are pretty safe.

And I remember the days when my girls were small like that /tear :)

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Yeah she is very chill and awesome now that I have gotten past the me being nervous part I am going to hook train just because it makes alot of since in my head to get them out of hunt mode before reaching in haha I have done it once with her and once with him and so far it seems to do what it's suppose to lol

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Well guys I hope eeverybody is having a wonderful christmas..... A little update on nyx I feed her yesterday and after she ate I noticed she had a bulge in her lower lip (looked like she had a dip in to be honest) I knew it was aspen but didn't want her to regurge so I waited till today to get it out and being that she must have been in pain she handled me opening her mouth very well it was the first time iv ever had to do this but with all that being said I got it out and she didn't as much as hiss at me and it was a pretty big chick compared to her lip so I'm still going to be watching it very closely to make sure no infection is taking place.... If it does start to get infected what is the best way of going about that? Thank you everybody and once again have a good Christmas

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Great job on the Aspen removal. What a great snake! :)

If infection sets in, best to go visit the Vet.

Thank you....and yea like I said it was a first so I'm rather pleased with how it went and how she acted....and I will deff go to a vet I just didn't know if their was some home remedy to try while waiting for the appt (if their is a wait) thank you reinz

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Well she just regurged yesterday's meal so Idk really what to do about that she is drinking alot right now after the regurge tho.... How long should I wait to see if she wants to eat again?

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2-3 weeks and offer a meal half the size.


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What are your temps, how are you measuring them, and how are you heating?

How big was the meal (size/weight of snake and size weight of prey item would help if you don't have pictures)?

I take it you took the aspen out of her mouth the day after you fed her? If her husbandry is correct and that is most likely why she regurged.


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Yea her cage is spot on 90 hot spot 80 cool side 65ish% humidity I'm 100% betting it was just cuz I had to put her through the stress of taking the aspen out.... Thank you cloud

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Oh and btw this just happened as well one full shed no stuck pieces at all if it wasent for the regurge I'd be very very happy but since the regurge happened im kinda sad for her but like I said before I'm almost 100% sure it was because I put her through alot of stress not even 2r hours after she ate... But I had to get it out asap but anyways here is a pic of the full shed

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Edit: please don't mind the surface that shed is on its a old iron board I use for a flat surface haha

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Good god man!! Leave you alone for a few days and you make your boa regurg and get stuck aspen in her mouth :( I've never seen stuck aspen in any of my snakes and they have eaten lots of aspen lol. What I do with babies though is feed them on a sheet of printer paper. Just dangle the rat or mouse by the tail and when the boa grabs it, just hold the tail and let the boa curl up on it. Then I put the sheet of printer paper down and set the snake who is still attached to the mouse or rat all down in the center of the paper.

As for the regurg, I would guess either stress or a bad mouse or too large of food although I am doubtful of the too large unless you fed it something HUGE. I've fed Rosey my 6-7' girl rabbits that were really huge and she got them down but I didn't see her for a few days inside her hide lol. Since yours is new, I would guess either stress from you messing with her after she ate or a bad feeder.

Like Cloud said, I would wait until 2 weeks and then try again but with a smaller mouse.

And of course, you are offering warm and cool hides of the same kind? And I saw your temps and humidity and that all looks ok. Also can throw in cereal boxes or paper towel tubes. For some reason, snakes seem to love cardboard. They work great until the snake takes a dump on top of it or pisses in it, then its done and time for a new one lol.

I always go with the 48 hour minimum after eating before I will even attempt to hold them - have never had a regurge.

I understand your reasoning for handling this time but you mentioned once before you handled after only 24 hours. I really believe 48 hours is best to wait.

Good luck with your new snake.

Sauzo- I know I'm a bad person and believe me when I say that their will be paper towel under them from now on I honestly hate the fact that I have put her through this... I know the regurge was from the stress of removing the aspen it was a really big piece (compared to her mouth) I will be waiting 2 weeks to try and feed her again she is active at night as usual so nothing has really changed with her.... Oh and yes their is 2 hides one on cool and one on warm but she never goes in them she buries herself in the aspen and stays their till night time

L. West- I did learn my lesson the first time with handling around the 24 hour mark after feeding and I told myself I would never do it again and yes if it wasent for the aspen I wouldn have held her at all... I just wanted to get it out before it got infected

Thank you both for the concerns... I will post more updates on her when she eats (next sunday)

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Don't use paper towels. If the food is damp, it can get wrapped in the paper towel and eaten which will give you really big problems. Use either a paper plate, newspaper or I personally use sheets of printer paper. The 8x11 stuff you can buy at any office store. It stays rigid enough to feed on and wont get wrapped up in the food.

Paper towel is weighted down by hides and a water dish, there shouldn't be any danger of it getting wrapped up.

I also don't generally worry about bedding in their mouth. Granted, I mostly use EcoEarth and not aspen, but I under no circumstances handle them until at least 48 hours after they eat. If something needs cleaned up I do my best to clean around them.


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