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  • 10-18-2016, 10:25 PM
    Riolu2012
    What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    I just got my first ball python a few days ago, it says she is het albino/ het toffee, I am new to snake genetics, does this mean her parents were an albino and a toffee or she just carries a gene for it, could she produce any of these traits when bred? She is my pet, but I think it would be cool to breed her one day, It would help a lot since I can't find much info on toffees.
  • 10-18-2016, 10:38 PM
    BPGator
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Riolu2012 View Post
    I just got my first ball python a few days ago, it says she is het albino/ het toffee, I am new to snake genetics, does this mean her parents were an albino and a toffee or she just carries a gene for it, could she produce any of these traits when bred? She is my pet, but I think it would be cool to breed her one day, It would help a lot since I can't find much info on toffees.

    If she is definitely het albino and het toffee it means she carries those genes. However, since those are both recessive genes, she only carries them and does not display them. She would have to be bred to another snake that also carries those genes in order to produce offspring that display the gene.


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  • 10-18-2016, 10:47 PM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Thank you so much! I wanted to make sure, if she was bred to another het albino would there be a chance of an albino? Sorry for asking, I'm really new to this.
  • 10-18-2016, 10:52 PM
    BPGator
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    If bred to a het albino, the statistics would be 25% normal, 50% het albino and 25% albino. And then of course since yours is het toffee, there's a chance the offspring would be het as well, but the only way to find out would be through breeding the offspring.

    If you go to worldofballpythons.com, they have a genetic wizard that allows you to enter what the male and female are and it will display all the possibilities for the offspring.


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  • 10-18-2016, 11:12 PM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Ok thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!
  • 10-19-2016, 12:12 AM
    cchardwick
    Um.. that's actually wrong. Your snake is a 'Toffino'. Normally two recessive would not be a visual and would look like a normal morph but these two are 'allelic' and your snake should look similar to an albino. You should post a photo.
  • 10-19-2016, 12:40 AM
    BPGator
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cchardwick View Post
    Um.. that's actually wrong. Your snake is a 'Toffino'. Normally two recessive would not be a visual and would look like a normal morph but these two are 'allelic' and your snake should look similar to an albino. You should post a photo.

    Wow, I blew that one! Thanks for the correction. Guess I should have taken my own advice and plugged it into the genetic wizard.


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  • 10-19-2016, 01:20 AM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Sorry to ask but how do I upload the picture to this thread?
  • 10-19-2016, 01:34 AM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    There's a picture of her in my gallery.
  • 10-19-2016, 02:11 AM
    CitricPrincess
    If those genes are allelic, I'd assume one of the parents was a toffino, so she's for sure het in one or the other? I know my cornsnake is like that for one het that he has.
  • 10-19-2016, 02:42 AM
    Eric Alan
    CitricPrincess is correct. The OP isn't saying that their BP is double het Albino/Toffee (which isn't possible). They're saying that their BP is either het Albino or het Toffee (because one of the parents was a Toffino). See the picture of her here (from OP's gallary):
    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../1/snake_2.jpg

    Riolu2012 - since Albino and Toffee are allelic, you could breed your BP to anything that is allelic with Albino (Albino/het Albino, Candy/het Candy, Toffee/het Toffee) and have a chance at producing some really cool looking animals. Also, here's how to post pictures within your posts/replies: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...-Post-Pictures.
  • 10-19-2016, 02:48 AM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Thanks for the help!
  • 10-19-2016, 03:05 AM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Eric Alan View Post
    CitricPrincess is correct. The OP isn't saying that their BP is double het Albino/Toffee (which isn't possible). They're saying that their BP is either het Albino or het Toffee (because one of the parents was a Toffino). See the picture of her here (from OP's gallary):
    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../1/snake_2.jpg

    Riolu2012 - since Albino and Toffee are allelic, you could breed your BP to anything that is allelic with Albino (Albino/het Albino, Candy/het Candy, Toffee/het Toffee) and have a chance at producing some really cool looking animals. Also, here's how to post pictures within your posts/replies: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...-Post-Pictures.


    Ok thank you so much for clarifying! So to sum it up if I bred her to any of the hets you listed I could produce those morphs, or will I have to figure out which one will work to produce an albino or other morph? Thank you so much for explaining this to me, I don't know much about BP genetics yet, I am glad there are people willing to help explain this to me.
  • 10-19-2016, 03:11 AM
    Eric Alan
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Riolu2012 View Post
    Ok thank you so much for clarifying! So to sum it up if I bred her to any of the hets you listed I could produce those morphs, or will I have to figure out which one will work to produce an albino or other morph? Thank you so much for explaining this to me, I don't know much about BP genetics yet, I am glad there are people willing to help explain this to me.

    Yes (to the first part). You could breed her to any one of those in order to try and produce an Albino looking animal. They're all compatible with each other.
  • 10-19-2016, 03:26 AM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Thank you so much for helping me out and explaining this to me! I cant wait to try breeding her one day!
  • 10-19-2016, 07:46 PM
    Trisnake
    It depends on her genetics what you will get when you breed her.

    If she's het albino and you breed her to a candy or toffee you will not be able to get candies or toffees from the pairing, only toffinos and candinos (and normal hets of course).

    If she's het toffee and you breed her to a candy or toffee all the babies (besides the normal hets) will either be toffee or candy/toffee. No albinos will appear even if you breed her to an albino, in which case only toffinos would be possible.

    Also people argue whether or not toffee and candy are the same gene so that may either complicate or simplify things for you.
  • 10-19-2016, 07:55 PM
    Riolu2012
    Re: What does it mean if my bp is het albino/ het toffee?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Trisnake View Post
    It depends on her genetics what you will get when you breed her.

    If she's het albino and you breed her to a candy or toffee you will not be able to get candies or toffees from the pairing, only toffinos and candinos (and normal hets of course).

    If she's het toffee and you breed her to a candy or toffee all the babies (besides the normal hets) will either be toffee or candy/toffee. No albinos will appear even if you breed her to an albino, in which case only toffinos would be possible.

    Also people argue whether or not toffee and candy are the same gene so that may either complicate or simplify things for you.


    This actually helps a lot thanks, I'm planning to breed her with a het albino male when she gets older, I've never bred anything before so I will be satisfied if I can get any color morphs.
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