Food, Digestion, GMO and more.

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Ball pythons can't even digest vegetable matter. Purely carnivores. :)

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We can't digest a lot of things we normally eat. Corn and corn based products, (corn fructose syrup is in almost everything) peanuts, beans, I'm pretty sure peanut butter falls into this as well.

Our bodies can't break down single cell organisms.

Just offering a fun fact you probably already know... hehe


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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

We can't digest a lot of things we normally eat. Corn and corn based products, (corn fructose syrup is in almost everything) peanuts, beans, I'm pretty sure peanut butter falls into this as well.


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That is not correct. You can absolutely digest corn syrup, that's why it causes obesity, you can also digest a good deal of corn even though it does have a lot of insoluble fiber it also has aromatic amino acids. You can also digest the fats and protein in peanuts and beans. What you can't digest from these items is the cellulose and insoluble fiber, but they are not made of 100% of either of those.

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

That is not correct. You can absolutely digest corn syrup, that's why it causes obesity, you can also digest a good deal of corn even though it does have a lot of insoluble fiber it also has aromatic amino acids. You can also digest the fats and protein in peanuts and beans. What you can't digest from these items is the cellulose and insoluble fiber, but they are not made of 100% of either of those.

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-sigh- I really need to learn the difference of when I'm told a fact, and when I'm told a myth someone believes to be a fact....

Thank you for correcting!


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There are a lot of nutritional myths out there (even the Food Pyramid was false information pushed on the government by grain, meat and dairy lobbyists). You need to take most of what people tell you with a grain of salt (pun intended).

Organic food are the big misinformation generators these days. People think organic means no pesticides but what it really means is no *synthetic* pesticides. They still use naturally devised pesticides some of which are more dangerous and harmful to the environment than thier synthetic cousins.

Natrual does not equal healthy. You know what is all natrual? Arsenic. ;)

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

There are a lot of nutritional myths out there (even the Food Pyramid was false information pushed on the government by grain, meat and dairy lobbyists). You need to take most of what people tell you with a grain of salt (pun intended).

Organic food are the big misinformation generators these days. People think organic means no pesticides but what it really means is no *synthetic* pesticides. They still use naturally devised pesticides some of which are more dangerous and harmful to the environment than thier synthetic cousins.

Natrual does not equal healthy. You know what is all natrual? Arsenic. ;)

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Found in apple seeds, right? I've heard that they are potent enough to kill you, but I've never heard of anyone dying from eating an apple core


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Originally Posted by piedlover79

There are a lot of nutritional myths out there (even the Food Pyramid was false information pushed on the government by grain, meat and dairy lobbyists). You need to take most of what people tell you with a grain of salt (pun intended).

Organic food are the big misinformation generators these days. People think organic means no pesticides but what it really means is no *synthetic* pesticides. They still use naturally devised pesticides some of which are more dangerous and harmful to the environment than thier synthetic cousins.

Natrual does not equal healthy. You know what is all natrual? Arsenic. ;)

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I agree natural does not equal healthy, but organic will always be better cause it will always be gmo free. I rather be consuming "natural" pesticides than i would be consuming gmos. Fyi alot if not the majority of organic farmers are pesticide free especially if theyre local!

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Found in apple seeds, right? I've heard that they are potent enough to kill you, but I've never heard of anyone dying from eating an apple core


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Our bodies can't break down single cell organisms.

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...That just isn't true. I don't know where you got that from, but it really isn't true. We can digest single cell organisms just fine. Maybe not all, but the human digestive system can break down cell walls pretty well. We have trouble with plant cell walls.

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Originally Posted by BPGator

"Everything you read on the internet is always true" - Abraham Lincoln, 1492


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;P -wink wonk- I see what you did there


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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Found in apple seeds, right? I've heard that they are potent enough to kill you, but I've never heard of anyone dying from eating an apple core


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That is also not true. Apple seeds contain cyanide, not arsenic. And even though they contain cyanide they don't contain it at any dose that eating a whole apple core could kill a human. On top of that, you have to absorb cyanide at a rate faster than what your liver processes it to cause toxicity, which just cannot happen when your digest system has to take time breaking down the apple seed first.

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Originally Posted by jillofthejungle

That is also not true. Apple seeds contain cyanide, not arsenic. And even though they contain cyanide they don't contain it at any dose that eating a whole apple core could kill a human. On top of that, you have to absorb cyanide at a rate faster than what your liver processes it to cause toxicity, which just cannot happen when your digest system has to take time breaking down the apple seed first.

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Oh yea that's my bad. I was thinking of Cyanide.

There was a big commotion over an apple juice company with the FDA over the level of Poison (I thought it was arsenic though) in their batch. Not entirely positive how legitimate it was as I heard it by word of mouth so....


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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Oh yea that's my bad. I was thinking of Cyanide.

There was a big commotion over an apple juice company with the FDA over the level of Poison (I thought it was arsenic though) in their batch. Not entirely positive how legitimate it was as I heard it by word of mouth so....


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It's entirely possible that they had arsenic. Apples don't naturally produce that, it comes from some pesticides that are used. So a sloppy company could have arsenic in their juice, which might explain what you heard.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Found in apple seeds, right? I've heard that they are potent enough to kill you, but I've never heard of anyone dying from eating an apple core


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Your speaking of cyanide not arsenic. Bitter almonds and apricot kernels also contain small amounts of cyanide which if eaten in small smounts is safe and actually shown to kill cancer cells.

You mean the bitter almonds that come with a warning to not eat more than 8 a day or they can cause "cyanide-like symptoms"...? Yeah. That's brilliant. And did they show the ability to kill cancer cells in *vitro* or in vivo? Because TONS of things kill cancer in a petri dish and do diddly in a body... or are so toxic they kill the body, too.

Also, GMOs are NOT going to hurt you. If I stuck genes that code for an apple protein into a peach, they aren't going to suddenly turn toxic and kill you. I could even stick genes that code for animal proteins into a vegetable and they wouldn't suddenly turn toxic and kill you. The protein is unchanged. If it doesn't hurt you in the original species, it won't hurt you in a different one.

If you can find local organic and talk to the famers you've got a better shot at pesticide reduced but that's not what you find in your average grocery store

Apple seeds contain trace amounts of cyanide but you'd need to eat an orchard to kill ya. ;)

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Originally Posted by Spiritserpents

You mean the bitter almonds that come with a warning to not eat more than 8 a day or they can cause "cyanide-like symptoms"...? Yeah. That's brilliant. And did they show the ability to kill cancer cells in *vitro* or in vivo? Because TONS of things kill cancer in a petri dish and do diddly in a body... or are so toxic they kill the body, too.

Also, GMOs are NOT going to hurt you. If I stuck genes that code for an apple protein into a peach, they aren't going to suddenly turn toxic and kill you. I could even stick genes that code for animal proteins into a vegetable and they wouldn't suddenly turn toxic and kill you. The protein is unchanged. If it doesn't hurt you in the original species, it won't hurt you in a different one.

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Clearly you hace no clue what your talking about, do alittle research before speaking!

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Clearly you hace no clue what your talking about, do alittle research before speaking!

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Okay....

Im not trying to get into an ideological war here but highqualityballz, maybe you should do some research as well. At least before telling people they don't know what they're talking about.

The vast majority of studies on the topic have found the same thing; there is no significant difference in the health or rate of cancers of individuals eating strictly organic versus GMO. There is no significant difference in chemical make up or nutrient values between the two products. And many studies claiming otherwise have been found to be unsound or deeply flawed in their processes; one such flaw being that many people who dedicate themselves to strictly organic foods and products are health nuts to begin with, where as your average joe who eats regular priced GMO products may enjoy the occasional cigarette and probably doesn't frequent the gym as much as he should. Sample groups are a big part of the discrepancies.

But to each their own. It really does come down to opinion, when there are so many contradicting studies. If people want to pay twice as much for an organic pear that's just as good as any other pear (in my opinion) then be my guest. If I end up dying from GMO induced cancer down the road (which I highly doubt) then that's my fault, and I'm okay with it.

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

There are a lot of nutritional myths out there (even the Food Pyramid was false information pushed on the government by grain, meat and dairy lobbyists). You need to take most of what people tell you with a grain of salt (pun intended).

Organic food are the big misinformation generators these days. People think organic means no pesticides but what it really means is no *synthetic* pesticides. They still use naturally devised pesticides some of which are more dangerous and harmful to the environment than thier synthetic cousins.

Natrual does not equal healthy. You know what is all natrual? Arsenic. ;)

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So true about all the duff information ' fed to us ' !

Who'd of thought that eating fat doesn't make yah fat !?!

Eating sugary things make you fat as the unused sugar is stored as fat apparently !!


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Originally Posted by Zincubus

So true about all the duff information ' fed to us ' !

Who'd of thought that eating fat doesn't make yah fat !?!

Eating sugary things make you fat as the unused sugar is stored as fat apparently !!


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Yup. The liver converts sugar into fatty acids (fat) and then into the body for storage. Eating fat also leads to fat storage and heart disease.

So much info out there is pushed by politics not science.

My issue with GMOs aren't that actual genes of the organism - but that most GMOs on the market now are of the round up ready variety. GMO produce has much higher pesticide residues on them due to the way round up ready plants are produced.

Pesticides kill things. I want as little of that on my food as possible.

Oh and I find the practice of patenting living organisms that will reproduce on their own / the grains and other food stuffs that our species depends on to be immoral. So ya know... voting with dollars.

If you never want to trust your food supply again check out the Monsanto Corporation (they make Roundup *and* the Roundup Ready seeds).

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

Yup. The liver converts sugar into fatty acids (fat) and then into the body for storage. Eating fat also leads to fat storage and heart disease.

So much info out there is pushed by politics not science.

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I've seen recent reports suggesting that eating fat is good though , supposedly the body burns it more effectively than most other things and they're suggesting having butter rather than margarine , full milk rather than skimmed and frying with LARD !!??

Another fallacy is this fear of cholesterol saying it causes heart attacks etc ....when there's good and bad cholesterol .

It apparently also doesn't block arteries as we were told !


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Yes the 'butter is back' movement...pushed by the dairy and meat lobby. Actual doctors still recommend against it. It's politics plain and simple.

Here is a great article with some good sources: https://cspinet.org/eating-healthy/f.../big-fat-myths

Be careful about reading headlines and 'studies' without finding the source. Like the study that reported that lobsters don't feel pain when boiled...paid for by the Lobster Fisherman Association. I'm sure it wasn't bias at all. Now there are studies that claim it both ways.

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Originally Posted by Trisnake

Okay....

Im not trying to get into an ideological war here but highqualityballz, maybe you should do some research as well. At least before telling people they don't know what they're talking about.

The vast majority of studies on the topic have found the same thing; there is no significant difference in the health or rate of cancers of individuals eating strictly organic versus GMO. There is no significant difference in chemical make up or nutrient values between the two products. And many studies claiming otherwise have been found to be unsound or deeply flawed in their processes; one such flaw being that many people who dedicate themselves to strictly organic foods and products are health nuts to begin with, where as your average joe who eats regular priced GMO products may enjoy the occasional cigarette and probably doesn't frequent the gym as much as he should. Sample groups are a big part of the discrepancies.

But to each their own. It really does come down to opinion, when there are so many contradicting studies. If people want to pay twice as much for an organic pear that's just as good as any other pear (in my opinion) then be my guest. If I end up dying from GMO induced cancer down the road (which I highly doubt) then that's my fault, and I'm okay with it.

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I disagree with literally all of this.

1.The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) urges doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for all patients. They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility. Human studies show how genetically modified (GM) food can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems.

2.Numerous health problems increased after GMOs were introduced in 1996. The percentage of Americans with three or more chronic illnesses jumped from 7% to 13% in just 9 years

3.Most GM crops are engineered to be “herbicide tolerant”―they deadly weed killer. Monsanto, for example, sells Roundup Ready crops, designed to survive applications of their Roundup herbicide.

Between 1996 and 2008, US farmers sprayed an extra 383 million pounds of herbicide on GMOs. Overuse of Roundup results in “superweeds,” resistant to the herbicide. This is causing farmers to use even more toxic herbicides every year. Not only does this create environmental harm, GM foods contain higher residues of toxic herbicides. Roundup, for example, is linked with sterility, hormone disruption, birth defects, and cancer

I can do this forever and show you multiple studies that prove gmo increases chances of cancer and other illnesses. Also theres an experiment they did with a family, that tested the whole families urine kids and adults and found numerous chemicals present, so they switched all their food to organic for a short time and all the chemical levels went do to little or none whatsoever. Nothing i hate more than the people that spread health advice that have very little to no knowledge. Your opinion means nothing when it comes to facts. Again please do RESEARCH before you speak, dont just go off 1 article monsanto probably wrote themselves.

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

If you never want to trust your food supply again check out the Monsanto Corporation (they make Roundup *and* the Roundup Ready seeds).

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Oh i know monsanto... Former farm girl ;)

Real world version of The Umbrella Corp in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

I've seen recent reports suggesting that eating fat is good though , supposedly the body burns it more effectively than most other things and they're suggesting having butter rather than margarine , full milk rather than skimmed and frying with LARD !!??

Another fallacy is this fear of cholesterol saying it causes heart attacks etc ....when there's good and bad cholesterol .

It apparently also doesn't block arteries as we were told !


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Correct. A diet high in healthy fats is optimal for overall health. Also for fat loss its shown that diets higher in healthy fats actually burn body fat better than low fat diets.

Monsanto is sooooooo evil! And no one seems to know/care. They are very much like Umbrella.

Monsanto is now *literally* being brought to trial for 'Crimes against Humanity' at the Hague in the Netherlands.

"The Organic Consumers Association (OCA), IFOAM International Organics, Navdanya, Regeneration International (RI), and Millions Against Monsanto, along with dozens of global food, farming, and environmental justice groups announced at the United Nations conference held recently in Paris that an international court of lawyers and judges will assess Monsanto’s criminal liability for their atrocious acts."

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Correct. A diet high in healthy fats is optimal for overall health. Also for fat loss its shown that diets higher in healthy fats actually burn body fat better than low fat diets.

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Healthy fats is key...not Lard.

Yes. Even the name sounds evil... ugh.

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

Monsanto is sooooooo evil!

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Yes they are, its a shame not many people realize!

Definitely an interesting thread.

Wherever there is MONEY there will be LIES. People want to trust the food supply but food is Big Business. Ex-Monsanto executives run the United States Food and Drug Administration, the agency tasked with ensuring food safety for the American public.

Just search 'Monsanto and Crime'...it's very impressive. From poisoning towns in Alabama for decades to filtering water they dumped toxins in and selling that water back to the public at a premium Spring Water price to causing the decline of honeybees with heavy pesticide use to actively pushing out private farmers in favor of factory farming. The upcoming trials should be interesting, amusing they don't weasel their way out of them. ;)