Pet Owner vs Breeding

Do you want to breed a snake? Or do you want to own a Ball Python as a pet to love and care for?

There are very PARTICULAR things to follow if you want to breed your snakes. Certain heat levels can sterilize your Ball Python, for example. And if you are intending on breeding, chances are you are intending on owning more than one snake. For this particular reason, having the cheapest and easiest options available are important.

Much like breeding dogs, where you would house your dogs in a kennel that is at least a certain volume of space, with a specific dog food and in a specific amount. And of course, specific things to decrease stress and increase the livelihood of both parents and offspring. I'm sure there are plenty of areas and people, knowledgeable due to many years of breeding, who could direct you in such a way that would aid you. People like Deborah, for high example.

But what if you just want to own a ball python as a pet? Does your ball python really care if he has aspen bedding vs paper bedding? Or if his hide is a certain texture? Or if he has an all white interior? Or things to climb on?

This may come as a surprise, but no. Your ball python DOESN'T CARE what bedding he has, what shape of hide he has, OR what his surroundings look like. IF there are no birds, no claws, no predators... If your snake is being fed properly... If things are comfortable for him (in other words, meeting the criteria in the care sheet provided HERE)... If you are doing your job as far as your ball python's basic needs, and he is not stressed or showing signs of stress (such as fasting.) Then YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% FINE.

Interesting you feel the need to say this, as nobody has said otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Fraido

Interesting you feel the need to say this, as nobody has said otherwise.

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Actually... I'm constantly being attacked for how my husbandry is set up. Because it's not a rack system, to put it in very shortened terms. With the paper substrate, the black plastic tub. I actually got yelled at through reputation for having ASPEN. For having a rock looking hide. For feeding him large mice when they feed theirs F/T rat babies.

People who are knowledgeable, like Deborah, come and correct me, and that's fine by itself. But when other people take up arms around her for me having my own opinion against hers, and then turn around AND ITS ALWAYS the same users, too.

SO yes. I did feel the need to say this. Because I'm sure I'm not the only pet owner who doesn't intend to be a breeder who has faced this kind of behavior of people assuming that just because it worked for one person doesn't mean it's the only way.

As long as the cared-for creature/individual is having it's needs met, and is being called healthy by a professional that actually has the snake in their hands (Referring to a Herp vet), there really is no reason to get all fired up over the little details.

And yet... here I am... having to constantly defend myself, my herp vet, my set up (which I do correct to an extent when it does need corrected, such as the lizard hide...) blah blah.


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Oookaay.

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To be fair, though. The single person who has been a huge problem has already been dealt with, and so on. But it hasn't stopped any copycats from there. -_- Like parrots, just chirping the words they've heard from people (like Deborah, admittedly), who are intelligent and know what they are talking about but yet stubbornly abide only to what they know.


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Also, a huge part of this is frustration on the huge mix of information.

I've heard everything from 5-14 days for feeding, and once a day (not including after feeding) three times a week, once a week, once a month for handling. One hide. Two hides. Two waters. One water. Red fish. Blue fish. Blah blah blah.

I'm going cross eyed with how much misinformation is mixed into necessity. So much so that I treat EVERYONE who offers me advice of any kind with skepticism and grains of salt.


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I don't think you are being attacked. I think you get called out because you ask questions and ignore the answers and then get defensive. This snake stuff just might not be for you. You are tweaking hard over all this stuff. You want a pet that you will show you affection and love you back. That ain't a ball python. You post all this outrageous stuff to the point where it looks like you are trolling for attention. This place is no different than any other animal based message board. You have your hardcore members that have been doing it for years that see the noobs come and go. Asking the same questions day in and day out. It probably gets old. But they still offer help and advice and then you come along and take a dump in their front yard because the snake whisperer told you they were all wrong. You should take some of the advice given to you. The "attacks" would probably stop.

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Also, a huge part of this is frustration on the huge mix of information.

I've heard everything from 5-14 days for feeding, and once a day (not including after feeding) three times a week, once a week, once a month for handling. One hide. Two hides. Two waters. One water. Red fish. Blue fish. Blah blah blah.

I'm going cross eyed with how much misinformation is mixed into necessity. So much so that I treat EVERYONE who offers me advice of any kind with skepticism and grains of salt.


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Like you said, there isn't one specific way to care for any animal. I think it all comes down to experience; and whatever information you wish to take from people who share their experiences is dependent on you. In the end though, the goal on this forum is to ultimately help each other through these experiences & incorporate it to your own. It's all trial and error. I can tell you care deeply about Wheatley which is great! Don't take anything too personally and use it to learn from others and you'll have a good time on this forum. :)

If you aren't going to believe anything anybody suggests to you, why ask anything at all?

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Because information with proper sources, one not fueled with emotion/assumptions, is always what I'm looking for. I will ALWAYS provide counter examples so that they will be considered and cleared up.


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Originally Posted by cletus

I don't think you are being attacked. I think you get called out because you ask questions and ignore the answers and then get defensive. This snake stuff just might not be for you. You are tweaking hard over all this stuff. You want a pet that you will show you affection and love you back. That ain't a ball python. You post all this outrageous stuff to the point where it looks like you are trolling for attention. This place is no different than any other animal based message board. You have your hardcore members that have been doing it for years that see the noobs come and go. Asking the same questions day in and day out. It probably gets old. But they still offer help and advice and then you come along and take a dump in their front yard because the snake whisperer told you they were all wrong. You should take some of the advice given to you. The "attacks" would probably stop.

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^^^THIS^^^


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Originally Posted by jbzapanda

Like you said, there isn't one specific way to care for any animal. I think it all comes down to experience; and whatever information you wish to take from people who share their experiences is dependent on you. In the end though, the goal on this forum is to ultimately help each other through these experiences & incorporate it to your own. It's all trial and error. I can tell you care deeply about Wheatley which is great! Don't take anything too personally and use it to learn from others and you'll have a good time on this forum. :)

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A good point... I do take it a lot more personal than I should... I suppose even to the extent that I bite the heads off of people who don't mean to come off as if they are attacking anyone...


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Originally Posted by cletus

I don't think you are being attacked. I think you get called out because you ask questions and ignore the answers and then get defensive. This snake stuff just might not be for you. You are tweaking hard over all this stuff. You want a pet that you will show you affection and love you back. That ain't a ball python. You post all this outrageous stuff to the point where it looks like you are trolling for attention. This place is no different than any other animal based message board. You have your hardcore members that have been doing it for years that see the noobs come and go. Asking the same questions day in and day out. It probably gets old. But they still offer help and advice and then you come along and take a dump in their front yard because the snake whisperer told you they were all wrong. You should take some of the advice given to you. The "attacks" would probably stop.

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this^^^^^^

I think you are being overly sensitive a lot of the time and you don't want to take advice that you ask for. Perhaps if you put that on a shelf, you will get different results. But posting rants like this because you feel picked on, isn't likely to get you too many supporters around here. Good Luck to Ya!

I'm sure there are lots of ways to take care of a ball python. I started with aspen bedding, it was hard to keep moist, it molded, and the snakes would get it stuck in their mouth when they struck and missed a rodent. So I changed over to paper, that worked great for my mite infection, I thought it was much better than aspen but I couldn't keep the humidity up, I'm sure paper is the cheapest, especially if you can get it for cheap or free. Then I switched over to coconut husk (Reptichip) and I love it on all fronts. However, I still see pro breeders with thousands of tubs using paper and humidifiers to keep the room humidity up. However, with paper I had really bad smells when they went to the bathroom, coconut husk solved that problem completely, and it lasts for months instead of days or weeks. I'm not saying that aspen or paper is any better or worse, I've experienced all three and coconut husk is just better for me.

There are lots of different substrates and lots of different opinions. Really the only way to know which is best is to try them out for a month or two and see if you like them better or worse. I thought aspen was the best and never even considered changing up when I first started, but trying different setups is really helpful, you can then share your successes and challenges. And often times I change my mind LOL. For example, I really love to feed all fresh kill and not live or frozen thawed, its totally safe, immediately available and always the right temperature and my snakes love it, and using CO2 is fast and painless for the rodent. However, taking care of my rodents is a lot of work and if I get burned out I may switch up to all frozen thawed like some of the pro breeders LOL.

I'm convinced there's no right or wrong way as long as your snake feels safe, is kept humid and is eating OK (unless he is fasting LOL).

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Also, a huge part of this is frustration on the huge mix of information.

I've heard everything from 5-14 days for feeding, and once a day (not including after feeding) three times a week, once a week, once a month for handling. One hide. Two hides. Two waters. One water. Red fish. Blue fish. Blah blah blah.

I'm going cross eyed with how much misinformation is mixed into necessity. So much so that I treat EVERYONE who offers me advice of any kind with skepticism and grains of salt.


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If you look on any website for info, you get different answers from each site. Just like you get different answers from each person. When trying to figure out how much and how often to feed Yzma, I asked her breeder and a few people on here via PM as well as making a thread. Then, I took that info and applied it to what works for my snake. Is she losing weight with how I'm feeding? Is she gaining too much? Is it causing periodic fasts? Trial and error. You just have to take all of the info and do what works for your snake. Many people said feeding her a medium rat once a week would cause her to go on fasts and I need to go to either a small rat or a medium every 14 days. Some said as long as it's a medium under a certain weight, it's fine. If she fasts, try every 14 days. I had to take everyone's opinions and think about them and then see what worked for Yzma. And, maybe it won't work in future. Things change.
Same for handling.... it makes sense that you woukdnt want to stress them, so, you go by how tour snak reacts. Some may only tolerate a few times a week and some, every day.
It makes sense to have a hut on each side of the tank, but maybe, for some snakes, one hide works. But I digress - my point is, ask 10 people and get 10 answers. None are necessarily wrong or better. Owning an animal means we learn constantly, even the experts. We research, learn, apply and help others where we can. If our answers differ from someone else's, that's ok, as long as something isn't being done that can hurt the animal.

Like most people said, there isn't ONE CORRECT ENCLOSURE to care for a ball python. If you live in Thailand, your setup will have to be different from if you live in Arizona. If you want to keep your ball python in a basic tub setup, fine, and if you want to keep your ball python in a larger enclosure, a bioactive terrarium, a fancy tub setup, a fancy glass setup, fine. You see a lot of different opinions on setup details, because there's no one right answer.

Really it all comes down to a few certain things- humidity higher than 50%, correct ambient temps, correct hot spot temps, a thermostat, and accurate equipment to measure these things. And enough hides for each individual ball python to feel secure enough to eat consistently (unless they're already adults and fasting). And sometimes, things in the enclosure will need to be tinkered around with to get these specs for an individual happy ball python. That's really all there is to it. Some balls are shy, some balls are more comfortable with their surroundings, some are young and scared, some are older, and that affects what the "right" enclosure should be for each one.

You mentioned getting bashed for using aspen- that would make sense if you were having humidity problems.. I use aspen, because where I live, humidity is on the higher end, so I don't need to worry about it. But if I were using aspen and my humidity was at 40% and I refused to switch to a different substrate, of course I'd get bashed.

There ARE some groups out there (not sure if you're in any of those, but just leave them) that would bash you for using a glass tank/aspen/heat lamp even when nothing's going wrong, but this isn't one of them. I've been in a few snake groups, and this is one of the most open-minded and easygoing I've ever seen, which is why I stick around.

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But what if you just want to own a ball python as a pet? Does your ball python really care if he has aspen bedding vs paper bedding? Or if his hide is a certain texture? Or if he has an all white interior? Or things to climb on?

This may come as a surprise, but no. Your ball python DOESN'T CARE what bedding he has, what shape of hide he has, OR what his surroundings look like. IF there are no birds, no claws, no predators... If your snake is being fed properly... If things are comfortable for him (in other words, meeting the criteria in the care sheet provided HERE)... If you are doing your job as far as your ball python's basic needs, and he is not stressed or showing signs of stress (such as fasting.) Then YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% FINE.

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Wrong.

Of course your Ball Python is going to "care" because the choices you make in your enclosure are going to effect its hygiene, temperature/humidity, security and safety.

Have you put any time into researching what these animals do in the wild? Are you aware they are mostly nocturnal ground dwelling animals? Putting a nocturnal animal into an all white enclosure is practically abusive. White reflects too much ambient light.

There are multiple ways to care for snakes but there certainly are RIGHT ways and WRONG ways.

For the record - my snakes are pets. 3 are in tubs. 1 is in a display tank. 1 never gets handled. 2 get handled occasionally like once or twice a month and the last one gets handled a few times a week and is allowed to free range a bit in the snake room.

Not all breeders are large scale, multi rack operations. Many pet owners breed their pets too. Many of the large scale people consider all their snakes to be pets. There's more over lap than you think.

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Wrong.

Of course your Ball Python is going to "care" because the choices you make in your enclosure are going to effect its hygiene, temperature/humidity, security and safety.

Have you put any time into researching what these animals do in the wild? Are you aware they are mostly nocturnal ground dwelling animals? Putting a nocturnal animal into an all white enclosure is practically abusive. White reflects too much ambient light.

There are multiple ways to care for snakes but there certainly are RIGHT ways and WRONG ways.

For the record - my snakes are pets. 3 are in tubs. 1 is in a display tank. 1 never gets handled. 2 get handled occasionally like once or twice a month and the last one gets handled a few times a week and is allowed to free range a bit in the snake room.

Not all breeders are large scale, multi rack operations. Many pet owners breed their pets too. Many of the large scale people consider all their snakes to be pets. There's more over lap than you think.

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I wouldn't pay too much mind to them voodoo. You'd think they're a pro who knows more than an all of us combined. The snake whisperer.

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Do you want to breed a snake? Or do you want to own a Ball Python as a pet to love and care for?

There are very PARTICULAR things to follow if you want to breed your snakes. Certain heat levels can sterilize your Ball Python, for example. And if you are intending on breeding, chances are you are intending on owning more than one snake. For this particular reason, having the cheapest and easiest options available are important.

Much like breeding dogs, where you would house your dogs in a kennel that is at least a certain volume of space, with a specific dog food and in a specific amount. And of course, specific things to decrease stress and increase the livelihood of both parents and offspring. I'm sure there are plenty of areas and people, knowledgeable due to many years of breeding, who could direct you in such a way that would aid you. People like Deborah, for high example.

But what if you just want to own a ball python as a pet? Does your ball python really care if he has aspen bedding vs paper bedding? Or if his hide is a certain texture? Or if he has an all white interior? Or things to climb on?

This may come as a surprise, but no. Your ball python DOESN'T CARE what bedding he has, what shape of hide he has, OR what his surroundings look like. IF there are no birds, no claws, no predators... If your snake is being fed properly... If things are comfortable for him (in other words, meeting the criteria in the care sheet provided HERE)... If you are doing your job as far as your ball python's basic needs, and he is not stressed or showing signs of stress (such as fasting.) Then YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% FINE.

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You really should stop trying to give advice until you actually have experience and knowledge to back up what you say, period. Your snake apparently tells you when it's hungry. You introduce your snake to your pet what was it, dog or cat and that was nearly a disaster. Luckily by the grace of God nothing was seriously hurt. Then you do things you think are right instead of using the search function or wait for a reply. Enough is enough.

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Because information with proper sources, one not fueled with emotion/assumptions, is always what I'm looking for. I will ALWAYS provide counter examples so that they will be considered and cleared up.


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If you look on any website for info, you get different answers from each site. Just like you get different answers from each person. When trying to figure out how much and how often to feed Yzma, I asked her breeder and a few people on here via PM as well as making a thread. Then, I took that info and applied it to what works for my snake. Is she losing weight with how I'm feeding? Is she gaining too much? Is it causing periodic fasts? Trial and error. You just have to take all of the info and do what works for your snake. Many people said feeding her a medium rat once a week would cause her to go on fasts and I need to go to either a small rat or a medium every 14 days. Some said as long as it's a medium under a certain weight, it's fine. If she fasts, try every 14 days. I had to take everyone's opinions and think about them and then see what worked for Yzma. And, maybe it won't work in future. Things change.
Same for handling.... it makes sense that you woukdnt want to stress them, so, you go by how tour snak reacts. Some may only tolerate a few times a week and some, every day.
It makes sense to have a hut on each side of the tank, but maybe, for some snakes, one hide works. But I digress - my point is, ask 10 people and get 10 answers. None are necessarily wrong or better. Owning an animal means we learn constantly, even the experts. We research, learn, apply and help others where we can. If our answers differ from someone else's, that's ok, as long as something isn't being done that can hurt the animal.

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Well put.

I suppose this is what happens when behavior studies favor animals like dogs and cats. I've yet to find an in-depth captive related study on snakes. Or pythons.


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Originally Posted by Neal

You really should stop trying to give advice until you actually have experience and knowledge to back up what you say, period. Your snake apparently tells you when it's hungry. You introduce your snake to your pet what was it, dog or cat and that was nearly a disaster. Luckily by the grace of God nothing was seriously hurt. Then you do things you think are right instead of using the search function or wait for a reply. Enough is enough.

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Ok, you know what? I'll bite. I'll break the ignore list JUST long enough to laugh at this.

My snake doesn't TALK. *eye roll* Never did I claim such a thing.

What I did say is IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR BODY LANGUAGE SOMETIMES YOU CAN TELL IF THEY NEED SOMETHING.

For example, if they are hunting, they are hungry. If they are exploring, they are stressed and looking for another hide. How to tell the difference between the two are still beyond me, however reading body language is important to the care of any animal. -_-

Derp.


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You live with your snake long enough, you learn about him/her.

I come here to ask a question, and to be honest, I get helpful information and then opinionated comments fueled by nothing more than "it worked for me so it's the only way" and then the following "it worked for them so it's the only way."


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Originally Posted by Fraido

If you aren't going to believe anything anybody suggests to you, why ask anything at all?

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The bottom line right here. :gj:

For the most part everyone here tries to be as helpful as they can.
When the complaints start or the "we don't know what we are doing" comments.......
Guess what I have you/posted once already..... There is more knowledge from members on this forum than most vvets have with reptiles.
But what do we know, all we can do is sit back and watch.

We don't need to agree about every topic in order to be friendly and respectful towards each other.

If anyone is unable to separate "critiquing the idea" and "attacking the person" in their posts/responses, feel free to contact me and we can discuss privately. I have removed several off-topic posts that crossed this line. A few other posts flirt with this line, but are staying as is so long as we are able to stay respectful and on-topic going forward. As we do so, please keep in mind the mission of this site: To be "The friendliest online community for ALL your herping needs!"

Best regards,
Eric

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The bottom line right here. :gj:

For the most part everyone here tries to be as helpful as they can.
When the complaints start or the "we don't know what we are doing" comments.......
Guess what I have you/posted once already..... There is more knowledge from members on this forum than most vvets have with reptiles.
But what do we know, all we can do is sit back and watch.

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Those members should go to college for Veterinary work and open a herp-specific Veterinary service then!:D

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

You live with your snake long enough, you learn about him/her.

I come here to ask a question, and to be honest, I get helpful information and then opinionated comments fueled by nothing more than "it worked for me so it's the only way" and then the following "it worked for them so it's the only way."


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I think you might be misreading.

Don't take this the wrong way... I do not mean this negatively. But I have seen a lot of your posts, as a lot of your threads bubble up to the top for some reason.

Maybe one or two people will say something truly rude to you, then it seems like everyone after that gets attacked by you and shut out no matter what is being said. I don't think you are doing this intentionally, but I do think maybe you should take a step back from the screen and wait before responding at all when you get upset. The internet isn't a good place for emotion, for obvious reasons.

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Not to get involved in this drama, but you joined this site only a week or two before me and, correct me if I'm wrong, you were a new snake owner.

These snakes grow and mature and live for 30 some years, I'm not sure if you reach familiar status after a month. I've given some advice in my short time here, but I'm still new to all this. I've got a pretty good read on my little noodle, but there is always something that makes me hit the interwebs for some quick research. I can understand the "take it with a grain of salt" attitude, but most advice from this community is pretty solid. There is a fine line between healthy skepticism and ignoring solid advice.

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I think you might be misreading.

Don't take this the wrong way... I do not mean this negatively. But I have seen a lot of your posts, as a lot of your threads bubble up to the top for some reason.

Maybe one or two people will say something truly rude to you, then it seems like everyone after that gets attacked by you and shut out no matter what is being said. I don't think you are doing this intentionally, but I do think maybe you should take a step back from the screen and wait before responding at all when you get upset. The internet isn't a good place for emotion, for obvious reasons.

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I'm not misreading. I've been doing nothing else besides work and sleep other than studying my ball python constantly, reading books, reading ANYTHING I can find.

And it's as mixed as it is online. It's either that the right answer is out there but buried under opinion or there isn't one right answer but SO MANY. It's making my head spin.

When I come online I hope for friendly advice, instead I get treated like "oh look, another noob asking the same questions."

The reason those questions keep getting asked is easily because of this mess of information. Sure, google will help you search up 10 billion ways to do something, BUT WHICH ONE IS CORRECT?

I pick one out, suddenly it's "oh your husbandry is wrong." "You're killing your snake." Blah blah blah.


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Not to get involved in this drama, but you joined this site only a week or two before me and, correct me if I'm wrong, you were a new snake owner.

These snakes grow and mature and live for 30 some years, I'm not sure if you reach familiar status after a month. I've given some advice in my short time here, but I'm still new to all this. I've got a pretty good read on my little noodle, but there is always something that makes me hit the interwebs for some quick research. I can understand the "take it with a grain of salt" attitude, but most advice from this community is pretty solid. There is a fine line between healthy skepticism and ignoring solid advice.

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Please link me "solid advice" that I actually ignored that was offered that wasn't mixed with condescending attitudes and emotions. :/


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Please link me "solid advice" that I actually ignored that was offered that wasn't mixed with condescending attitudes and emotions. :/


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This is exactly what I am talking about. Because one or two people start off being rude to you, you don't even realize that there are people giving you advice in the middle of it all. Those are the people you need to pay attention to and stop burning bridges.

Again, not trying to be rude, but trying to be helpful.

Pit's post here was not rude at all

And although you responded to Eric Alan, it doesn't seem he was heeded

This poster got completely ignored

Same thread, also ignored

This seemed innocent enough of a post. Not 100% on why this was met with any form of anger....?

And literally this entire thread is filled with only reactions to "negative" posts and completely ignoring the innocent ones

I'm not trying to be mean, but I really think you are just being really sensitive. If you aren't a a troll I recommend taking a break from the forum...

In the future, post a topic if you have to, answer questions as they come, but let people discuss on their own. Let people voice concerns or opinions. They are entitled to their opinion as much as you are, and you shouldn't ever expect that they won't defend their opinion just because you think they are wrong. Much like you have information backing the "fact" you know, they have information that backs the fact they know.

To offer my neutral opinion... As long as the snake isn't dying, hurt, or constantly in fear of such, you can keep doing what you are doing. Just chill, man. Snakes are chill pets, and need a chill pet owner.

ok i have like 30-plus BP’s and snakes. they all have names and i consider them all pets. i try to rotate my handling and enjoyment of them. That said, i do plan to breed on a small scale. I believe the world of pet owners and breeders co-exist.

also note that i have several BP’s in glass tanks, one in a PVC enclosure and the rest in racks or tubs. there are many ways to care for your BP and reach optimum husbandry. the thing is, there are a set of proven best practices (as outlined in the caresheet or provided by fellow forumers) that do work. for example, we know that PVC/plastic holds better heat and humidity than glass; we know that a tight black hide with 1 opening is better and more secure for a BP than a tall half-log with 2 openings; it’s obvious that if husbandry is on point, BP’s don’t need our help to bathe and shed; they will shed on their own. so u can keep your BP in a glass tank if u wanna and do things your way. just keep in mind that when there’s an issue and when u wanna troubleshoot it, most will always fall back on these best practices and rely on solid husbandry.

lastly, your BP is not special or of greater intelligence than others. neither are any of mine. don’t try to anthropomorphize them and put them in danger/risk when they are out of their protected enclosures. neither are they a fearless Retic; they’re just scaredy lil pet rocks that like to eat and hide at their core. Enjoy them for what they are.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

ok i have like 30-plus BP’s and snakes. they all have names and i consider them all pets. i try to rotate my handling and enjoyment of them. That said, i do plan to breed on a small scale. I believe the world of pet owners and breeders co-exist.

also note that i have several BP’s in glass tanks, one in a PVC enclosure and the rest in racks or tubs. there are many ways to care for your BP and reach optimum husbandry. the thing is, there are a set of proven best practices (as outlined in the caresheet or provided by fellow forumers) that do work. for example, we know that PVC/plastic holds better heat and humidity than glass; we know that a tight black hide with 1 opening is better and more secure for a BP than a tall half-log with 2 openings; it’s obvious that if husbandry is on point, BP’s don’t need our help to bathe and shed; they will shed on their own. so u can keep your BP in a glass tank if u wanna and do things your way. just keep in mind that when there’s an issue and when u wanna troubleshoot it, most will always fall back on these best practices and rely on solid husbandry.

lastly, your BP is not special or of greater intelligence than others. neither are any of mine. don’t try to anthropomorphize them and put them in danger/risk when they are out of their protected enclosures. neither are they a fearless Retic; they’re just scaredy lil pet rocks that like to eat and hide at their core. Enjoy them for what they are.

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-_- do you even know what anthropomorphism is?

It's putting HUMAN ATTRIBUTES on non human things.

Intelligence, or having greater intelligence, isn't a human attribute.

Also, I don't.

If anything, I candidpromorphize (yes I just made that up) and put DOG ATTRIBUTES to non dog things.


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Originally Posted by Kreature

This is exactly what I am talking about. Because one or two people start off being rude to you, you don't even realize that there are people giving you advice in the middle of it all. Those are the people you need to pay attention to and stop burning bridges.

Again, not trying to be rude, but trying to be helpful.

Pit's post here was not rude at all

And although you responded to Eric Alan, it doesn't seem he was heeded

This poster got completely ignored

Same thread, also ignored

This seemed innocent enough of a post. Not 100% on why this was met with any form of anger....?

And literally this entire thread is filled with only reactions to "negative" posts and completely ignoring the innocent ones

I'm not trying to be mean, but I really think you are just being really sensitive. If you aren't a a troll I recommend taking a break from the forum...

In the future, post a topic if you have to, answer questions as they come, but let people discuss on their own. Let people voice concerns or opinions. They are entitled to their opinion as much as you are, and you shouldn't ever expect that they won't defend their opinion just because you think they are wrong. Much like you have information backing the "fact" you know, they have information that backs the fact they know.

To offer my neutral opinion... As long as the snake isn't dying, hurt, or constantly in fear of such, you can keep doing what you are doing. Just chill, man. Snakes are chill pets, and need a chill pet owner.

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FYI I thanked Pit on that post... -_- I didn't ignore him. I read the other posts as well. I just didn't respond to them because they weren't being rude. I'm not going to sit on my rump and let someone disrespect me when they don't even know me or what I'm going through. And none of them care.


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