Butter and lesser

What is the difference between a butter and a lesser?

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The name. They're practically interchangeable. I think the morph was "discovered" by two separate parties at around the same time, so it got two names.

Oh ok. So color and all are the same? I have a lesser pastel yellow belly and just purchased a butter. Waiting for tuesday delivery on her.

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They're considered different lines of the same morph but at some point one was worth more than the other and blah blah blah and it got all muddled so there isn't really a distinctive butter or lesser line anymore. It's pretty much just what you choose to call it. i call the ones with warmer more sepia toned colors butters and the more silvery ones lessers

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Originally Posted by locolobito

Oh ok. So color and all are the same? I have a lesser pastel yellow belly and just purchased a butter. Waiting for tuesday delivery on her.

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something to watch for: alotta peeps care about lineage tho. for example, if u plan to breed your Lesser Pastel Yellowbelly to your new Butter, u won’t know which is which. which single gene baby is a Butter or Lesser, which combo is a Butter or Lesser or is the Super a ButterxButter, LesserxLesser or ButterxLesser?? the lineage will be muddled even further with each generation.

however, if u never breed them together, u won’t have to worry about that and can continue to track which is Lesser and which is Butter.


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Originally Posted by TurkeyPython

They're considered different lines of the same morph but at some point one was worth more than the other and blah blah blah and it got all muddled so there isn't really a distinctive butter or lesser line anymore. It's pretty much just what you choose to call it. i call the ones with warmer more sepia toned colors butters and the more silvery ones lessers

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IMO that's one way to lose rep if u gonna breed. all morphs have variation in their colors and pattern.

My original breeding plan was for a super lesser BEL. After researching and talking and what not, super lesser BEL, I have chances with bug eyed BELs. With the male I have being around 6 months old and the butter being a hatchling, on 3rd feeding, I will have enough time to get single gene lesser to breed with her in the future. Just to prove one way or the other if she is a butter or not due to bug eye.

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Originally Posted by locolobito

My original breeding plan was for a super lesser BEL. After researching and talking and what not, super lesser BEL, I have chances with bug eyed BELs. With the male I have being around 6 months old and the butter being a hatchling, on 3rd feeding, I will have enough time to get single gene lesser to breed with her in the future. Just to prove one way or the other if she is a butter or not due to bug eye.

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Super Lesser, Super Butter, LesserxButter are all white BEL's that are prone to the bug eye issue. if u want an all white, blue eye BP - add a Mojave to your Lesser or Butter. u get the all white and blue eyes BP but without the eye issue. :gj:

Dayum. Wont say I got robbed cause I brought this up before about BEL complex and I know which genes hit for BEL. Not back to drawing board but gives me time to look around. Better research, I know

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Originally Posted by Ax01

IMO that's one way to lose rep if u gonna breed. all morphs have variation in their colors and pattern.

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Not planning on breeding, at least not for a while and I mostly meant that for deciding which to call which when it's unknown or could be either. Probably should have phrased that better

Yes I do plan on breeding, but breeding just for the morphs that I want personally. And some I have because of impulse buys. All keep me calm and happy. At this point I have several to prove out before my personal program starts.

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Turkeypython, alls good

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http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...psphpridv0.jpg
Mojave Lesser possible Pastel

To me a Lesser is a little brighter yellow than a Butter.......
A good Lesser is:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...e/P1030280.jpg

A Butter is a little more of a creamy yellow

I have my male mystic and will still get a BEL with the butter. But using the lesser pastel yellow belly just to breed with my pastel yellow belly just for ivory/pastel ivory seems like a waste of a beautiful male beyond a pet. So trying to figure out what else to do with him. Lots of ideas but at a loss for telling apart other than keeping tight records.
Beautiful little ones by the way pitontheprowl.

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I have a butter that I am planning on pairing with my pastave. At least I bought her as a butter, anyway I thought I saw that the lesser x Mojave has a "dirty" head where as the butter x Mojave has a "clean" head. I could be wrong on that though.

Mojave X Mojave is the dirty grey head.

TY Pit....I knew it was one of the combos, just couldn't remember which.

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Originally Posted by locolobito

My original breeding plan was for a super lesser BEL. After researching and talking and what not, super lesser BEL, I have chances with bug eyed BELs. With the male I have being around 6 months old and the butter being a hatchling, on 3rd feeding, I will have enough time to get single gene lesser to breed with her in the future. Just to prove one way or the other if she is a butter or not due to bug eye.

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Same thing if you breed lesser to butter you still have the same risk of bug eyes which is why I always recommend people to do Lesser or Butter x Mojave if they want a clean white snake with no risk of bug eyes.

Personal opinion time:

I have been going through the various same-complex snakes for "essentially the same thing" snakes. I'm fairly picky and intend to find my favorites and not touch snakes outside of those genetics, so that I know for certain what the offspring are. For instance, I won't touch Butters or Mojaves or Het Russos, but I would get a Bamboo or Het Daddy, because they are distinct enough to not get mixed up. For things like Black Pastel, I only want an Ian G line black pastel, from someone I am certain isn't messing around on the line. For the Albino Complex, I only really care about Toffees. For the superstripe complex it's the yellowbelly which has my heart. For the BlackEL complex, Fire wins out on price and look, in my book.

Pastel is the only thing I'll really yeild on. They're in everything and my own pastel isn't really a good looker. So I'm fine with just Pastel, and selling/giving them as "pastel" and telling people they are generic/of no line in particular.

Got the butter last tuesday with letter explaining that he has refused all meals. I have 5 weeks before stressing out and assist feeding. Was given option to return for refund or different snake? What do i do?

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I would return it, and after that find a different breeder. IMO any breeder that sells a snake that has not eaten is not a responsible breeder. You should have gotten a call stating that it has refused all meals and it will not be sold until after 4-5 meals. At that point you could wait till it eats or say no thanks and find another snake. Others might differ but, that's what I would do.

Am going to try and feed tomorrow. If nothing in a week will contact seller and go from there. But one opinion to second mine is cool by me.

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Got the butter last tuesday with letter explaining that he has refused all meals. I have 5 weeks before stressing out and assist feeding. Was given option to return for refund or different snake? What do i do?

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wth kind of "breeder" does that?

What are you trying to feed it?
Have you done Debs 101?

FYI, also a breeder I would never buy from again.
I wont let mine go till at least 100g. That's just me though, most good breeders fee at least 3 to 5 times.

First attempt was rat pinky. Next attempt is mouse hopper.

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A bs breeder does that. Especially when i was told would be sent after 3rd meal. Was sent after 1st shed and a 3 weeks/5 or 6 meal refusals. If all goes well no BOI. Otherwise kicked off here for good

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