New babies Super Pastel Lesser and Bumblebee

I picked up 2 new additions to the family at Repticon in Atlanta this past weekend!
A Super Pastel Lesser male and a Bumblebee female.
Love the look of both of them. Shy attitudes but I'll take that over aggressive ones.

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They are beautiful! Congrats


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They are beautiful! Congrats


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Thank you! Absolutely love them.

Yeah I am jealous!!!!!!

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You won't believe the deal I got on them too. I'm almost worried their has to be something wrong because it seems way too good to be true. The breeder was asking 100 for the male and 175 for the female. Both fair prices in my opinion. Would you believe he offered me 200 dollars for the breeding pair? I've never snatched my wallet so fast.

Steal! Lol. I just got my leopard and orange dream yellow belly girls for an amazing price lol. Can't wait to add them in my plans but that's really cool, you will produce some nice babies with those guys!


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Nice looking animals. Congratulations.

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Steal! Lol. I just got my leopard and orange dream yellow belly girls for an amazing price lol. Can't wait to add them in my plans but that's really cool, you will produce some nice babies with those guys!


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Fingers crossed for some Queen Bees and Killer Queens! If my first hand at breeding goes well next year, then I would love to add Calico, or Enchi to the mix. Especially Calico Pastel Spiders. Talk about high speckle stunners!

Good lookin hissy ropes indeed!


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You won't believe the deal I got on them too. I'm almost worried their has to be something wrong because it seems way too good to be true. The breeder was asking 100 for the male and 175 for the female. Both fair prices in my opinion. Would you believe he offered me 200 dollars for the breeding pair? I've never snatched my wallet so fast.

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I am trying not to say, I hate you but you are pushing it!

Queen bees are some of my favorite! That would be awesome, good luck with that


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I am trying not to say, I hate you but you are pushing it!

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I still can't really believe it. Kept his card and number saved. Hoping he is at the reptile show in Perry next month or Repticon in Atlanta in October. Also this was my first reptile show ever so it was an incredible experience for me.

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Queen bees are some of my favorite! That would be awesome, good luck with that


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They're stunners for sure, and especially having now seen some adults in person at the show I truly fell in love.

They're stunners for sure, and especially having now seen some adults in person at the show I truly fell in love.[/QUOTE]

About 7 or so years ago I saw my first lesser ball python and it amazed me. Ever since then I have been studying them and have become obsessed haha, but then I found the lesser bee and fell in love all over again. Didn't think it could get better until I saw my first queen bee lol.



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They're stunners for sure, and especially having now seen some adults in person at the show I truly fell in love.

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About 7 or so years ago I saw my first lesser ball python and it amazed me. Ever since then I have been studying them and have become obsessed haha, but then I found the lesser bee and fell in love all over again. Didn't think it could get better until I saw my first queen bee lol.



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My whole life I never knew ball pythons even had options. I'd only ever seen normals at pet stores. It wasn't until about 2 months ago that I found out about 'morphs' and just had to dive headfirst into the hobby. I got a normal about 2 weeks ago but my girlfriend wanted her so I gave her to her and picked up these guys at this weekends show. Now I leave the show and find out Banana, Bamboo, and Calico are all dom/co-dom and now I'm itching for more. I am holding off though and making sure I can take great care of these 2 before I add more to the mix.

Calico is the next apple of my eye I think. I love the speckling of spiders and calico combined with anything spider just takes that to the next level. It's as white as it gets short of Blue Eyed Lucy or Pied. Also quick question, since Lesser is in the BEL complex after this first generation if anything comes out with Lesser and got bred back to the male I could get Blue Eyed Lucy's correct? I know I've only seen BEL that were multiple combinations of different snakes in the complex, (IE Mojave x Lesser ect ect) but I figured since it's co-dom it doesn't really matter if its a cross or a super form to get BEL.

Yea you would be able to get a bel from back crossing you offspring containing lesser to the male super pastel lesser. And yea I can't get enough of all of these morphs haha, hopefully going to add some recessives soon because I love genetics and working with genes. Sounds like you know a lot about everything and it is good to see you want to make sure that they are properly cared for before you get more. I'm sure they will be adjusting just fine!


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Yea you would be able to get a bel from back crossing you offspring containing lesser to the male super pastel lesser. And yea I can't get enough of all of these morphs haha, hopefully going to add some recessives soon because I love genetics and working with genes. Sounds like you know a lot about everything and it is good to see you want to make sure that they are properly cared for before you get more. I'm sure they will be adjusting just fine!


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Absolutely. Like any pet (and since I don't ever intend to breed as a business simply because that's too much commitment these are for sure pets and not investments) they rely on us so I think it's my responsibility to give them my 100% effort. Before I can even consider more snakes I need to upgrade my rack anyway. It's 'built' from an adjustable rack system with tubs and underbelly heat and it does pretty good, but it could be better. Living in Georgia makes getting the temps super easy since I just need to worry about the hotspot as the house doesn't drop below 74. Humidity living in Georgia is pretty easy too, but my rack is still something I've made. It's functional, but I'd love to switch to flexwat from the zoomed pads and to a better thermostat. I still temp gun everything because I don't trust those probes and adjust from there. I might save up and invest in a better rack and thermostat come october before I bring in more snakes.

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Absolutely. Like any pet (and since I don't ever intend to breed as a business simply because that's too much commitment these are for sure pets and not investments) they rely on us so I think it's my responsibility to give them my 100% effort. Before I can even consider more snakes I need to upgrade my rack anyway. It's 'built' from an adjustable rack system with tubs and underbelly heat and it does pretty good, but it could be better. Living in Georgia makes getting the temps super easy since I just need to worry about the hotspot as the house doesn't drop below 74. Humidity living in Georgia is pretty easy too, but my rack is still something I've made. It's functional, but I'd love to switch to flexwat from the zoomed pads and to a better thermostat. I still temp gun everything because I don't trust those probes and adjust from there. I might save up and invest in a better rack and thermostat come october before I bring in more snakes.

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That's great. I still check my temps periodically just to make sure everything is right. I'm still learning everything. Been studying these guys for 7-8 years and I just got my first one in June and now my collection is up to 5 lol. I would recommend a good thermostat and flex watt works great. I eventually plan to get into a business but for right now I want to make sure I become experienced with breeding my females now n seeing where it goes from there. I am located in Florida so we pretty much have the same conditions haha!


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That's great. I still check my temps periodically just to make sure everything is right. I'm still learning everything. Been studying these guys for 7-8 years and I just got my first one in June and now my collection is up to 5 lol. I would recommend a good thermostat and flex watt works great. I eventually plan to get into a business but for right now I want to make sure I become experienced with breeding my females now n seeing where it goes from there. I am located in Florida so we pretty much have the same conditions haha!


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Checking 5 times a day might be a bit excessive but I can't help myself lol. I hope I never stop learning new things about BPs though because they're fascinating all around.

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I still can't really believe it. Kept his card and number saved. Hoping he is at the reptile show in Perry next month or Repticon in Atlanta in October. Also this was my first reptile show ever so it was an incredible experience for me.



They're stunners for sure, and especially having now seen some adults in person at the show I truly fell in love.

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I'm sell jealous!


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If breeding goes well next year, keep an eye out, because some babies are gonna need homes and since this is all for hobby there will be some equally good prices.

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Checking 5 times a day might be a bit excessive but I can't help myself lol. I hope I never stop learning new things about BPs though because they're fascinating all around.

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They really are. I can't help myself from just looking at them through the tubs for a while lol. You will eventually feel comfortable enough with all of your settings lol. I was a mess, checking the temp every hour :p. I've been learning about these guys for a very long time n still learning new things every day. Sunday was my first day seeing someone's real collection and it made me want to grow mine even larger. Lol


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This is why I love you!


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Got ya back!

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They really are. I can't help myself from just looking at them through the tubs for a while lol. You will eventually feel comfortable enough with all of your settings lol. I was a mess, checking the temp every hour :p. I've been learning about these guys for a very long time n still learning new things every day. Sunday was my first day seeing someone's real collection and it made me want to grow mine even larger. Lol


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I'm for sure guilty of just silently observing the animals. I felt like a total creep at the reptile show this weekend just spending an hour at one booth staring in dead silence haha. Obviously I asked lots of questions and had great conversation with tons of people but when I first got to the show I was overwhelmed (and apparently this is a relatively small show) There was just so much to take in that I had to split from my girl and just wander from booth to booth and take it all in. That was my first time ever seeing anything other than a normal in person save 1 time at a local pet store a few days before that had a pastel and a pinstripe banana het pied.

It was so incredible to go from one display to the next and thinking 'wow I've seen that on youtube or online and this is what it looks like in real life!'

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I'm for sure guilty of just silently observing the animals. I felt like a total creep at the reptile show this weekend just spending an hour at one booth staring in dead silence haha. Obviously I asked lots of questions and had great conversation with tons of people but when I first got to the show I was overwhelmed (and apparently this is a relatively small show) There was just so much to take in that I had to split from my girl and just wander from booth to booth and take it all in. That was my first time ever seeing anything other than a normal in person save 1 time at a local pet store a few days before that had a pastel and a pinstripe banana het pied.

It was so incredible to go from one display to the next and thinking 'wow I've seen that on youtube or online and this is what it looks like in real life!'

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Haha exactly! I got that same feeling when I saw a lesser, Mojave and a pastel for the first time in real life. Instantly made me want to see everything else. It's crazy how amazing these animals are. Even the normals are amazing lol.


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Haha exactly! I got that same feeling when I saw a lesser, Mojave and a pastel for the first time in real life. Instantly made me want to see everything else. It's crazy how amazing these animals are. Even the normals are amazing lol.


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I absolutely love our two normals. I can find a good aesthetic to every morph. Even morphs that are physically off putting to me (Mocha is a perfect example) I can see the beauty in the animal. Also BPs have so much personality that regardless of color, I love their individual attitudes and dispositions.

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I absolutely love our two normals. I can find a good aesthetic to every morph. Even morphs that are physically off putting to me (Mocha is a perfect example) I can see the beauty in the animal. Also BPs have so much personality that regardless of color, I love their individual attitudes and dispositions.

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Haha every time I try to tell someone how different of personalities my ball pythons have they laugh n say they are just snakes but it is crazy to see how different they act lol. My little banana is always trying to climb onto your hand every time you open the rack. My pastave girl never leaves her hide in one spot lol moves it around with her n my crystal boy always has his head n tail outside of his hide just watching lol. They are really neat animals and I understand, even the one that don't strike as the most beautiful combos are still neat. Last weekend when I went to the show I did the same as you and just watched the snakes for a while lol. Favorite thing to do is to just see the crazy kind of combos that I have never seen before.


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Haha every time I try to tell someone how different of personalities my ball pythons have they laugh n say they are just snakes but it is crazy to see how different they act lol. My little banana is always trying to climb onto your hand every time you open the rack. My pastave girl never leaves her hide in one spot lol moves it around with her n my crystal boy always has his head n tail outside of his hide just watching lol. They are really neat animals and I understand, even the one that don't strike as the most beautiful combos are still neat. Last weekend when I went to the show I did the same as you and just watched the snakes for a while lol. Favorite thing to do is to just see the crazy kind of combos that I have never seen before.


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All 4 of ours act totally different. The Adult Normal female is really aggressive come feeding time (none of the others are) to the point that she cant be handled if she smells food unless you want a strike. When you handle her she will just try to crawl in your shirt and get warm or wrap around your arm really tight. The baby normal female just likes to doot between our fingers and wont ever really explore. The Bumblebee is a runner and never tries to support herself or hold on to your arm. You have to feed her hands as she 'runs' away very slowly, and the male doesn't move at all. Whatever position he was in when you picked him up is how he is gonna stay. In his cage however he is the only one who has ever actually bit me.

Haha so different! It's hard for me on feeding day because that means I can't hold them for the next 2 days n I have to let the new girls get used to their home so I am having bp holding withdraw haha.


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Haha so different! It's hard for me on feeding day because that means I can't hold them for the next 2 days n I have to let the new girls get used to their home so I am having bp holding withdraw haha.


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I've officially but these two on a need to touch basis. Don't touch them unless we need to move them to clean cages or change water. I really want them to get settled.

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I've officially but these two on a need to touch basis. Don't touch them unless we need to move them to clean cages or change water. I really want them to get settled.

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Best to give them as little stress as possible. Definitely


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Best to give them as little stress as possible. Definitely


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Yeah absolutely. I want them to eat this weekend so I wanna give them their space for now.