need help indentifying this

http://springfield.craigslist.org/pet/5669706150.html

its listed as a butter ghost, but im not very familiar with the genes. Does it look like one to yall? and is 120 a good price?

Here is a tip buy from a reputable breeder instead of Craigslist and you won't have to wonder about whether what you are buying is indeed what it is listed as.

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thanks for not providing any answers to my question what so ever lol

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Originally Posted by bowes

thanks for not providing any answers to my question what so ever lol

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Friendly piece of advice New Guy; talking to staff like this is a Grade A Superior way to get your bell rung around here. Saying some snarky crap about my advice would be another. Take the advice and let it go.

Yes, it looks like a Butter / Lesser, and could be Hypo. Hard to say with 100% accuracy from that photo.
Is $120 a good price? If it is what they say it is, then I would say it's a fair price. If it's not what they say it is, then you can just be another Craigslist snake buyer who should have spent their time looking for reputable breeders instead of shopping for a Craigslist steal.

Bought 2 snakes off craigslist, got robbed both times. 1st time I was done good. Got the whole clutch for 1 price. 2nd time, got a nice pet. Buyer beware. Got me once, shame on me. Got me twice, it's auctions, reputable breeders or pet stores.

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If you want a butter ghost than buy from a reputable breeder. Here's one I found on morph market, I know it's expensive. Quality before price man. http://www.morphmarket.com/c/reptile...-pythons/24621

I don't care who you are. If you're going to respond to my question with a sarcastic remark and critisize where I shop for my snakes and not give me any relative info to my question I will speak to you in the same manner you spoke to me. With that way of thinking snakes would never be bought besides from breeders. Clearly I wasn't asking if I should by from them. Answer the question I asked or leave your comments to youself, or if you want to suggest an alternate route do it respectfully. IDC who Deborah is.

Ring Ring....

Can't say I didn't try to offer a public service :rolleyes:

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I don't care who you are. If you're going to respond to my question with a sarcastic remark and critisize where I shop for my snakes and not give me any relative info to my question I will speak to you in the same manner you spoke to me. With that way of thinking snakes would never be bought besides from breeders. Clearly I wasn't asking if I should by from them. Answer the question I asked or leave your comments to youself, or if you want to suggest an alternate route do it respectfully. IDC who Deborah is.

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First of all everyone on this board is actually pretty nice. Second you came to this place looking for FREE information from some pretty experienced people who part with that information out of the kindness of their hearts. Would you rather someone beat around the bush or would you rather someone just tell you the facts up front? Take a chill pill, read some threads, have some respect.

On another note if you actually listen to Deborah you will save some money. You generally get what you pay for buying a snake that way, and if you are having to ask what it is you definitely should not be buy a snake from there.

Again... I would like the questioned answered. I came here for information which I have had trouble getting without smart ass remarked. I have had people give me flak for owning a bumblebee, I have now got crap for wanting to pay for a snake on craigslist because I don't make a lot of money. Yeah I feel the love on this judgmental forum.

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Again... I would like the questioned answered.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Yes, it looks like a Butter / Lesser, and could be Hypo. Hard to say with 100% accuracy from that photo.
Is $120 a good price? If it is what they say it is, then I would say it's a fair price.

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This. :gj:

This is my butter ghost, feel free to compare but it looks similar to me

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Also from WOB: Butter Ghost (aka Butter Hypo) http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...-ghost/001.jpg

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Originally Posted by bowes

I don't care who you are. If you're going to respond to my question with a sarcastic remark and critisize where I shop for my snakes and not give me any relative info to my question I will speak to you in the same manner you spoke to me. With that way of thinking snakes would never be bought besides from breeders. Clearly I wasn't asking if I should by from them. Answer the question I asked or leave your comments to youself, or if you want to suggest an alternate route do it respectfully. IDC who Deborah is.

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Welcome to a privately owned PUBLIC forum where YOU came to to ask a question and gain knowledge for YOURSELF.
Is it a Hypo Butter? Probably....... buying from someone you don't trust (you wouldnt be here asking if you did).
What if I told you it was a Hypo Lesser?? You as well as all of us will never know. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
You are at the mercy of the seller with the genetics.

Also you are actually asking if you should but from them otherwise you wouldn't be here asking or clarification on the genetics. ;)

Either way 100$ with tank and heater is an okay price for even just a butter. Make sure to be extra careful with the snake though! Watch for RIs and mites and stuff. It's tough to tell if it is actually a butter ghost or a light butter/lesser.

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It's tough to tell if it is actually a butter ghost or a light butter/lesser.

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There is no question that it is a hypo/ghost. The only question would be if its Lesser or Butter.
Some people wouldn't care and others with breeding plans would.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

There is no question that it is a hypo/ghost. The only question would be if its Lesser or Butter.
Some people wouldn't care and others with breeding plans would.

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With the amount of variation in the butter/lesser genes you can't be 100%. Especially from that picture from a phone in that lighting. As mentioned earlier the breeder isn't reputable. I also mention that it looks like one to me. Also what is the difference? Same gene someone just decided to call it butter somewhere down the line.

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It's tough to tell if it is actually a butter ghost or a light butter/lesser.

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This makes it look like you doubt the hypo??

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This makes it look like you doubt the hypo??

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I meant more that it's tough to tell for sure. I don't doubt it's a hypo and in fact I pulled up on my computer and it looks a lot more like one on a bigger screen. The only reservations I have is that I have a very light butter ghost. I've seen plain butters with very pronounced blushing or light colors in general that have looked pretty similar with a tinge more brown. Take this one for example from WOB.

Butter http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...butter/001.jpg

Secondly I am very wary of pictures unless they are from different times in different lights. I've seen how much light can change color and feel and the fact that this is a single picture from a person in Craigslist makes me skeptical.

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Do you want a nice-looking pet? If so, what you see is what you get and that's a pretty good price with supplies and all. I'd be all over that offer. But if you want to breed you should go with proven genetics.

Keep in mind this is ultimately a free forum that's provided as a service to us that are passionate about the hobby.

2nd this is the interwebs and tone can't be assumed by the text on your screen. Deborah is very knowledgable and doesn't want to see you get burned if down the road this is a project

You have to take into account a lot of us have money, time and a lot of passion tied up in this hobby.



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i appreciate the ones who were respectful and answered my questions. Like most of you said there are alot of experienced collectors on here, as i am new to most morphs i have confusion on some that look similar to one anther, thats why i asked. Is it that big of a deal i want to buy from craigslist and take precautions to see if i can validate the gene? Im aware of the risks. Im also aware ill probably take care of it better than most who will buy from craiglist. Reptiles by Mack my ball had mites, NERD refused to give me any kind of paperwork on feedings or sheds and even genetics. So from my experience its just rolling the dice. I really love all the knowledge on here, but usually good practice is that if you do have advice on what would be a better option to take you should suggest it, not tell me. Would it have been so difficult for deb to say "Hey that looks like a Butter Ghost, but you never know for sure buying on craigslist and i recommend going through a reputable breeder" I would have not taken offense by that and would have thanked her. Instead she wanted to give me a snarky response. My experience on this forum unfortunately has been the latter. Again thank you all who actually were polite and tried to be helpful. Ill be open minded and try not to let a few ruin an informative forum.

If you pick it up cool. But maybe put an ad up ISO for local hobbiest/breeder to help identify it better for you.

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