Essential oil Diffuser?

My mom is gonna come visit for a week. She's gonna be staying in my bedroom with my ball python, and wants to use an oil diffuser. It help her sleep.
The oil is cederwood. I know ceder is toxic to repti's but not sure if this cederwood oil would cause her any harm. I don't want to intentionally poison my snake. Thanks

Not just no but oh hell no. I wouldn't use it even for me, cedar oil is often sold as an insecticide and fungicide for gardens.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Not just no but oh hell no. I wouldn't use it even for me, cedar oil is often sold as an insecticide and fungicide for gardens.

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This ^^^ and this ^^^ again. Really bad idea. Dead snake.

Oh wow, that's fun. She'll have to use lavender or vanilla. Thank you and I will let her know to stop using it.

Educate yourselves.

https://www.organicfacts.net/health-...ntial-oil.html

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Originally Posted by SiXandSeven8ths

Educate yourselves.

https://www.organicfacts.net/health-...ntial-oil.html

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All of which is fine for mammals, not so much for reptiles, especially snakes which only have one lung.

I would absolutely not diffuse any essential oils in the same room with reptiles of any kind. I do use a diffuser in my own home, but it is on the opposite end of the house from my reptiles and I do not diffuse any tree oils or citrus oils. Your mom could put a few drops of lavender on a cotton ball and place that on her pillow instead of diffusing the oil. I would consider that to be safe (no cedar in any form though).

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Originally Posted by SiXandSeven8ths

Educate yourselves.

https://www.organicfacts.net/health-...ntial-oil.html

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Perhaps you should take your own advice.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

All of which is fine for mammals, not so much for reptiles, especially snakes which only have one lung.

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??? Is this species-specific? Snakes have two lungs as far as I'm aware... (read: according to Google)

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Originally Posted by O'Mathghamhna

??? Is this species-specific? Snakes have two lungs as far as I'm aware... (read: according to Google)

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It's species dependent, but more often than not true! In a lot of snakes (most colubrids for example, which make up roughly 2/3 of all snakes and include Ball Pythons) the left lung technically exists, but evolution reduced it to a non-functioning stump of an organ in order to save space. In other species, like most boas, the left lung is still functioning but also reduced in size. So yea, a lot of snakes only have one functioning lung, and some other have the left lung reduced to 85% and less. It's also the reason why a snake's respiratory system is so vulnerable, most only have one or one and a half lung, so they gotta treasure it! ; ) [Source]

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This image isn't a BP, but it still applies well enough [Image Source]

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Originally Posted by Morjean

It's species dependent, but more often than not true! In a lot of snakes (most colubrids for example, which make up roughly 2/3 of all snakes and include Ball Pythons) the left lung technically exists, but evolution reduced it to a non-functioning stump of an organ in order to save space.

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Good point; I should have worded it "functioning lung".

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Originally Posted by DennisM

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

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Infer whatever you want. I was merely posting some info, as what was posted up to that point was not accurate.

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Originally Posted by SiXandSeven8ths

Infer whatever you want. I was merely posting some info, as what was posted up to that point was not accurate.

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Sadly the information you gave was centered around humans, and whilst cedar might very well have good effects on humans, it's frighteningly close to poison to a lot of reptiles ― Making your information very very dangerous to anyone who might light-heartedly apply it to their pets! Because "What was posted up to that point" is indeed accurate... [Source]

It's okay to be wrong, we all are now and then, just please take this from it: Please don't apply human medical circumstances to pets, do research instead or ask a vet, before an animal comes to harm! Thank you!

Even related to cats and dogs, there is not yet one reliable study proving the safety of using it for them. You would be taking even more of a chance with snakes.

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Originally Posted by Morjean

It's species dependent, but more often than not true! In a lot of snakes (most colubrids for example, which make up roughly 2/3 of all snakes and include Ball Pythons)

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Just wanted to post a quick correction here. Ball Pythons are NOT colubrids, While all snakes are in the Order Squamata, there are several different families of snakes, the colubridae and the pythonidae being two of them. All pythons (including ball pythons) are in the family Pythonidae, NOT in the family Colubridae.

Also, I believe that all pythons have TWO functioning lungs rather then the one functioning lung that is common in colubrids.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Just wanted to post a quick correction here. Ball Pythons are NOT colubrids, While all snakes are in the Order Squamata, there are several different families of snakes, the colubridae and the pythonidae being two of them. All pythons (including ball pythons) are in the family Pythonidae, NOT in the family Colubridae.

Also, I believe that all pythons have TWO functioning lungs rather then the one functioning lung that is common in colubrids.

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I believe you are correct about the lungs. My understanding is that balls in fact have two that are functional but one is much smaller than the other.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Just wanted to post a quick correction here. Ball Pythons are NOT colubrids, While all snakes are in the Order Squamata, there are several different families of snakes, the colubridae and the pythonidae being two of them. All pythons (including ball pythons) are in the family Pythonidae, NOT in the family Colubridae.

Also, I believe that all pythons have TWO functioning lungs rather then the one functioning lung that is common in colubrids.

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Oh my god, my bad! Apologies, I don't know how I managed to heck that colubrid thing up, thank you for correcting me!! Wish I could edit my original post...

Nonetheless I have always been told that BPs only have one functioning lung, and the second one is very much reduced/very small, but that is hear-say and I do not guarantee it now that I have been informed that BPs sure as heckie aint colubrids!
Colubrids, on the other hand, very well do have the one-lung-heavily-reduced thing going on.

One lung or one and a half or two ― Either way I still wouldn't ever use pine oil anything around them, to get back to the topic...

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Originally Posted by Morjean

One lung or one and a half or two ― Either way I still wouldn't ever use pine oil anything around them, to get back to the topic...

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Definitely agree with that, while I'm certain that there have never been any studies using essential cedar oils in a diffuser around snakes, I've seen first hand what Cedar wood as a substrate for snakes can do and it's not a pretty sight.

My question is, why is there discussion on the number of functioning lungs? If I breathe in poison in both my lungs or my left lung instead of my right lung or vise verse I'm pretty sure the results are all the same......

Quick Google search didn't yield much on oils, but there is multiple legit sources on the very negative effects of Cedar substrate on ball pythons. Personally I see no reason to risk the unknown given what we do know.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

My question is, why is there discussion on the number of functioning lungs? If I breathe in poison in both my lungs or my left lung instead of my right lung or vise verse I'm pretty sure the results are all the same......

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Whilst answering the initial question someone mentioned that snakes only have one lung, which was promptly followed by someone else doubting that claim ― followed by this small off-topic discourse on snek lungs ;)
TLDR, the initial question was asked and we got sidetracked