Enclosure sufficient?

48"L x 21"T x 12"D aquarium. Will an adult carpet python be ok in this? Thanks, Dean

A 48" X 12" footprint sounds awfully long and narrow.

I've got two 48" X 24" footprint AP cages coming for my carpets - 36" tall for the JCP, and 24" tall for the Bredli. And given the way Yingarna the Bredli has grown since I got her, I hope that's going to be enough floor space.


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A 48" X 12" footprint sounds awfully long and narrow.

I've got two 48" X 24" footprint AP cages coming for my carpets - 36" tall for the JCP, and 24" tall for the Bredli. And given the way Yingarna the Bredli has grown since I got her, I hope that's going to be enough floor space.


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Yeah, the depth is not ideal. I wonder if it would work with a bull snake? Would really prefer the CP but I have this tank empty and doing nothing. Requirement is the snake must be diurnal, somewhat active and not constantly in the hide during the day, larger than 5' long, a good eater of f/t. Any suggestions?

A 4x2x2 would be better but that tank could definitely work for a bull snake and I think you'll be ok with a carpet in there too. My 6.5 ft bull is in an AP T8 4x2x1 and she has plenty of room. My young carpets are in a split T8 for now but will upgrade to a 4x2x2 or 4x2x3 as they grow.

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A 4x2x2 would be better but that tank could definitely work for a bull snake and I think you'll be ok with a carpet in there too. My 6.5 ft bull is in an AP T8 4x2x1 and she has plenty of room. My young carpets are in a split T8 for now but will upgrade to a 4x2x2 or 4x2x3 as they grow.

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Ok. How are bull snakes to own? Good feeders of f/t and enjoyable to handle? Also, where can I get one?
thanks ziggs
dean

@ Dean- I LOVE both my bulls. They are monster feeders and both will eat anything I offer them (mice, rats, chicks asf). They're great to handle too. I'd say they're just as active as my carpets but more terrestrial. Both of my bulls were produced by Jason Nelson at Envy Reptiles. I think he produces some of the finest Pits in the country. I know he has a FB page and he sells a lot on Kingsnake.com . I'd highly recommend him. Here's a picture of my 2.5 y/o female and her enclosure. My 1.5 y/o male is about 5ft. He's in the enclosure above the female. IMO you can't go wrong with a bull or carpet. They're definitely my 2 favorite species of snakes besides an Eastern Indigo. :)

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12 deep is to narrow for an adult carpet. You'll need twice that for the larger sub species. You might get away with 18 for some of the smaller ones. What type of carpet python?

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12 deep is to narrow for an adult carpet. You'll need twice that for the larger sub species. You might get away with 18 for some of the smaller ones. What type of carpet python?

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Not sure. Picking y'all's brain is part of my information gathering to help me to determine which species of large snake I can raise in this enclosure. Maybe a CP or bull/ pine snake. Your thoughts?

@ Terminal- I believe the smaller carpets will probably be Jungles and IJs. Coastals, Diamonds, and Bredli tend to be on the larger side. I think your enclosure will work for a young bull or carpet but you may have to upgrade in about 2 years. the length and height are good but Dennis is correct, the 12" wide could get a little tight.

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@ Terminal- I believe the smaller carpets will probably be Jungles and IJs. Coastals, Diamonds, and Bredli tend to be on the larger side. I think your enclosure will work for a young bull or carpet but you may have to upgrade in about 2 years. the length and height are good but Dennis is correct, the 12" wide could get a little tight.

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The guy at inland reptiles said any male would do ok in the aquarium. I'm going with that and will upgrade later down the road if needed.

My three carpets were produced by Nick Mutton at Inland Reptile. He's a great guy to do business with. I know he keeps his males pretty small so if you do the same you can make it work. Best wishes. Did you decide which carpet you like best?

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All 3 of my carpets were produced by Nick Mutton at Inland Reptile. He keeps his males pretty small so if you do the same you can make it work. Best wishes.

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Right, I got his name from one of your posts and contacted him.

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The guy at inland reptiles said any male would do ok in the aquarium. I'm going with that and will upgrade later down the road if needed.

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well, I've got nothing but respect for Nick, but I still think any adult carpet needs more than 12 deep. Indeed the males tend to be much smaller, but I still think even the "smaller" ssp, (jungle, ij), need more than that. post a pic of your carpet, maybe we can figure out the ssp.

yes, see how it goes and upgrade as necessary. I never put any snake in it's adult sized final cage until it's pretty much fully grown. coastals probably go through 6-8 enclosures before they have their final home. I grow the cage with the snake no matter what species.

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well, I've got nothing but respect for Nick, but I still think any adult carpet needs more than 12 deep. Indeed the males tend to be much smaller, but I still think even the "smaller" ssp, (jungle, ij), need more than that. post a pic of your carpet, maybe we can figure out the ssp.

yes, see how it goes and upgrade as necessary. I never put any snake in it's adult sized final cage until it's pretty much fully grown. coastals probably go through 6-8 enclosures before they have their final home. I grow the cage with the snake no matter what species.

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Don't have one yet but considering a male striped coastal. What do you think?

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Don't have one yet but considering a male striped coastal. What do you think?

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i think that's an excellent choice. but I'd still count on a minimum 36x18 floor space. i keep adult male coastals in 36x24 and 48x18. that's for his eventual adult cage. i keep hatchlings in 16 qt tubs. you've got a while before you need to decide on final/max cage size. just go get yourself that carpet and figure 6-8 sf floor space when he's grown. IMO, carpets are the best!

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i think that's an excellent choice. but I'd still count on a minimum 36x18 floor space. i keep adult male coastals in 36x24 and 48x18. that's for his eventual adult cage. i keep hatchlings in 16 qt tubs. you've got a while before you need to decide on final/max cage size. just go get yourself that carpet and figure 6-8 sf floor space when he's grown. IMO, carpets are the best!

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My plan exactly and thanks for the advice.

Coastals are beautiful carpets and would be an excellent choice. I was all about jungles until I saw Reinzs' Coastals. I've been hooked every since.

I was all about Jungles as well, but got three Coastals before my Jungle Girl.

What do yall think about a male jungle hatched July 2015? 40g right now.

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What do yall think about a male jungle hatched July 2015? 40g right now.

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Sometimes they're on the smaller side when you get them T. Some breeders feed them sparingly and hope to sell them quickly. My jungle was hatched in July 2015 as well and was only 31g when I got him last September. He was 268g on 2/26/16. Once you get him on a 5-7 day feeding schedule you'll see him grow pretty fast.

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Sometimes they're on the smaller side when you get them T. Some breeders feed them sparingly and hope to sell them quickly. My jungle was hatched in July 2015 as well and was only 31g when I got him last September. He was 268g on 2/26/16. Once you get him on a 5-7 day feeding schedule you'll see him grow pretty fast.

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Ok. I'm also considering a coastal hatched may 2014. He is only 100g at almost 2 years. Is that ok/normal?

My Carmel Coastal that I got from Nick is a 2014 and she was 85g when I got her a few months ago. She is now over 200g. They gain quick and I feed her on a 5-6 day schedule unless in shed. She's a little piggy!

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My Carmel Coastal that I got from Nick is a 2014 and she was 85g when I got her a few months ago. She is now over 200g. They gain quick and I feed her on a 5-6 day schedule unless in shed. She's a little piggy!

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Thanks. His snakes are feeding f/t? I've emai him this question and now awaiting his answer.

My 2014 Caramel Coastal was 85g when I got him in early September 2015. He's over 600g now. He eats every 6-7 days. I'm pretty sure Nick feeds most of his snakes f/t.

Yes to the f/t question

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Yes to the f/t question

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FYI I received an answer to the question about f/t from Nick and he says since he raises his own rodents he feeds live but assured me the specimen I'm looking at will make the switch no problem. I'm thinking this won't be a problem because from what I've heard coastals are aggressive eaters. Right?

They can be. In my experience most carpets will take just about any meal without hesitation. I've hard of a few sticklers, though.

T- Great job on doing your research in advance. It sounds like you're ready to join Team Morelia. You've got an empty enclosure, a top notch breeder with some amazing animals, and a ton of support from all of us here. I've seen those critters you're looking at. You've got some really cool choices. You kinda can't lose on this one. A carpet is a great addition to any collection. Go for it bud! I'm 99.5% positive you won't regret it. :D

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T- Great job on doing your research in advance. It sounds like you're ready to join Team Morelia. You've got an empty enclosure, a top notch breeder with some amazing animals, and a ton of support from all of us here. I've seen those critters you're looking at. You've got some really cool choices. You kinda can't lose on this one. A carpet is a great addition to any collection. Go for it bud! I'm 99.5% positive you won't regret it. :D

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Yeah ziggy. I'm thinking with all the help on this forum we can't fail so I'm pulling the trigger tomorrow. I'm already waiting on the FedEx guy. lol. This is the guy we have decided on. Not sure why he's the cheapest one but he looks great to us. What do y'all think?
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I sure like him! :)

Hoping for a safe journey. :please:

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I sure like him! :)

Hoping for a safe journey. :please:

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Thanks, and yes on the safe journey.

Very nice choice T! I almost bought a female that looked just like your guy. I have one coastal already so I went with a Bredli instead. You got a good deal on a great looking snake. The lineage on that guy is pretty impressive too. I'm happy for you. ;)

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Very nice choice T! I almost bought a female that looked just like your guy. I have one coastal already so I went with a Bredli instead. You got a good deal on a great looking snake. The lineage on that guy is pretty impressive too. I'm happy for you. ;)

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Thanks.

If he's the one you like the best, that's more important than cheapest! Very pretty boy.


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If he's the one you like the best, that's more important than cheapest! Very pretty boy.


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That's what we thought. Thanks.