Head wobble, spine kink, and...

Hey everyone! I'm new here :D I've been learning a lot about the morphs that catch my eye and are in my price range. One thing that's more obscured it seems, is the health problems that genetics bring. I've read about head wobble in spiders. Also that there is spine kink in some morphs (I don't know which ones). Can anyone help me out here about explaining which morphs have what types of issues associated with them and what does that particular health issue do to the ball python? Thank you all so very much for any insight.
Great forum here guys and gals!:rockon:

Supposedly my ball python is a spider pastel so i was told. And ahe has no wobble problems and bo kinks in her spine. She as healthy as could be. And she eats today lol

If you have a bumblebee it does wobble they ALL do to a degree from hardly noticeable to train wreck. Usually when it is mild and people have limited experience they think there snake does not wobble but they do which is not a big deal. ;)

Mutations prone to spine deformities are super Cinny or Super Black Pastel and Caramel Albino

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My Black Widow - Spider/Black Pastel/Pastel - has just a little tiny bit of wobble. It shows in comparison to my Pastel, or I wouldn't have known it was there. His head shakes a little when it's feeding time and he's excited, and he's more prone to go exploring upside down along the top of his cage and fall over than my other BP's, though he's not so bad that he doesn't know how to right himself if he notices something else. I've heard that there are some other morphs that have wobble, as well - and after a quick google search, this is what I found. I can't vouch for the accuracy of it, personally.

Edit - Whoops, JodanOrNoDan already posted the link!

My lesser bee has such little wobble you wouldn't be able to tell there was a defect if it weren't for the fact that she will often miss the rat on a strike. Her solution to this was... to stop striking. I'm not kidding, I don't even wiggle the rat for her any more, I just set it on her half-log and she casually saunters over and consumes. At some point she figured out the rat was already dead and not going anywhere, so why bother with all the hard work?

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Supposedly my ball python is a spider pastel so i was told. And ahe has no wobble problems and bo kinks in her spine. She as healthy as could be. And she eats today lol

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There is no pastel in your spider. A bee is a lot brighter.


My male spider has very little wobble, my female strikes dead on BUT wobbles if food is not involved.
MY male bee on the other hand is one I prefer to feed F/T or pre killed just because I never know with him.....

Bumblebees! That's one of my top three that caught my eye Deborah! I'll be steering in another direction for the morph I purchase I believe. Do you happen to know if all queen bees have head wobble as well?

Thank you to smokeyfb, Deborah, JodanOrNoDan, Caspian, and Lizardlicks for sharing your info and helping me out! Any of you know if head wobble or spine kink is apparent soon after birth or is it something that gets worse with age?

Thanks pitontheprowl! For the fresh killed feeder you give your balls, how do you kill them? Is there some common way everyone goes about when feeding their snake freshly killed?

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Thanks pitontheprowl! For the fresh killed feeder you give your balls, how do you kill them? Is there some common way everyone goes about when feeding their snake freshly killed?

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Gas chamber.

Queen bees have spiders - spider has wobble. So does Woma, HGW, Champagne, Super Sable, and Power Ball.

Also, for comparison, here is a Spinner Blast. There's an extra gene in there affecting striping, but you should get the idea about color of Pastel and Spider together.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...40179111_o.jpg

Also, maybe you should read this article about the Spider gene to expand your knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Mighty Morphin Balls

Thank you to smokeyfb, Deborah, JodanOrNoDan, Caspian, and Lizardlicks for sharing your info and helping me out! Any of you know if head wobble or spine kink is apparent soon after birth or is it something that gets worse with age?

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Wobble can be severe as hatchlings and get better with age but the opposite is true too, and some will remain with a very mild wobble throughout their lives. Wobble can also increase with stress or higher temperature as well.

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Bumblebees! That's one of my top three that caught my eye Deborah! I'll be steering in another direction for the morph I purchase I believe. Do you happen to know if all queen bees have head wobble as well?

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If it has Spider in it, it wobbles to a degree no matter how many genes you had to the combo :gj:

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Originally Posted by Mighty Morphin Balls

Bumblebees! That's one of my top three that caught my eye Deborah! I'll be steering in another direction for the morph I purchase I believe. Do you happen to know if all queen bees have head wobble as well?

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All bee morphs have the spider gene in them and will have wobble to some degree or another. I would not let it deter you though. Yes there are a small few that are really bad, most it is hardly noticeable and does not seem to affect the snake negatively at all and typically even if they do it is only when they are stressed or feeding. Our albino spider female has never displayed anything I would think to call wobble. The only indicator is she has missed a strike at food a couple times. If you are interested in a specific snake, ask to see if feed and see how it acts. The bad one can corkscrew and flip upside down the good ones, you won't see anything.

Thanks! Although lol I'm not sure if you're joking there,cuz the poison would transfer into your pet...

Alright I see what you mean, thank you for the spinnerblast picture! Yeah I read the owal information after I had posted :redface:

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Originally Posted by Mighty Morphin Balls

Thanks! Although lol I'm not sure if you're joking there,cuz the poison would transfer into your pet...

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Co2 gas chamber, Mighty Morphin.

Hmmmm... I appreciate all the information everyone!!! :grouphug: Out of personal preference, I'm staying away from the spider gene for my first snake. I'm looking into the albinos and their morphs now... no spider gene in them of course :rolleyes:

I wouldn't worry about the wobble really if I were you if that's a morph you really liked! Spider has always been a favorite of mine! I have a calibee and a humblebee right now and you wouldn't notice either one wobble. It was a little noticeable in my female when she was shipped but now you wouldn't see it. I had a regular spider when I was younger and I didn't really see a wobble in him either back then.

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Of course there are quite a few morphs out there to choose from! You might like a reduced pattern clown.

My killer blast has no noticble signs of wobble ( to me atleast) when hes moving around or feeding however. More times then not when i open his tub he lays and coils in a derpy way. Which seems to be from the wobble.

For a reduced pattern snake with similar colors, how about a lemon blast or killer blast? Pinstripe is a good pattern reduction gene that doesn't have the wobble and can have an overall similar look to spider combos. They're not very hard to find, either

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/killer-blast/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/killer-blast/

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Originally Posted by Slaugbr1

My killer blast has no noticble signs of wobble ( to me atleast) when hes moving around or feeding however. More times then not when i open his tub he lays and coils in a derpy way. Which seems to be from the wobble.

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I didn't see this before I posted the last thing I said. I was under the impression that pinstripes don't have wobble issues. Can someone explain?

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Originally Posted by cristacake

I didn't see this before I posted the last thing I said. I was under the impression that pinstripes don't have wobble issues. Can someone explain?

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They dont killerblast.... Or a killerspinnerblast is superpastelxspiderxpinstripe

they have spider in them

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Originally Posted by Slaugbr1

They dont killerblast.... Or a killerspinnerblast is superpastelxspiderxpinstripe

they have spider in them

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Okay. I think the name killer blast refers to super pastel pins. That's what had confused me. Leaving out "spinner" made it sound like your BP was just a super pastel pin, not a super pastel spinner.

So everyone gone on the wobble but what about kinks? Especially since MMB said being interested in Albinos and I read that Caramel Albinos are prone to kinking and females have problems with breeding?

I just got a het caramel albinos and would like to know if I could still breed him without chance of kinking or if it is like the spider gene and all snakes with the genes will have it?

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So everyone gone on the wobble but what about kinks? Especially since MMB said being interested in Albinos and I read that Caramel Albinos are prone to kinking and females have problems with breeding?

I just got a het caramel albinos and would like to know if I could still breed him without chance of kinking or if it is like the spider gene and all snakes with the genes will have it?

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Caramel Albinos, Super Cinnies, and Super Black Pastels and combos are prone to spinal deformities.

You may hatch healthy animals however there is a pretty good chance that there will be an issue, hence why everyone has abandoned caramel albinos as project to replace them by ultramels which are similar minus the health issues.

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Okay. I think the name killer blast refers to super pastel pins. That's what had confused me. Leaving out "spinner" made it sound like your BP was just a super pastel pin, not a super pastel spinner.

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Yeah but it just depends on what website your on

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Owning one this drives me absolutely insane because nobody ever knows what iam talking about ethier way whatever i use someone is on the other side lol : /


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That is very confusing, oh my! Thanks for the clarification

No problem just make sure you get what your paying for and ask the breeder to clarify the genes. I was sold him as a (killerblast) but it was also labeled below it (superpastelxspiderxpinstripe) and i paid for that. I would have been pretty upset if i missed the spider gene if i thought i was getting it


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Whole new debate......
Lemon Blast--Pastel/ Pinstripe......
Spinner--Spider/Pastel .........
Killer Blast-- Super Pastel/ Pinstripe and
Killer Spin--Super Pastel/Spider/Pinstripe.
To my knowledge

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Whole new debate......
Lemon Blast--Pastel/ Pinstripe......
Spinner--Spider/Pastel .........
Killer Blast-- Super Pastel/ Pinstripe and
Killer Spin--Super Pastel/Spider/Pinstripe.
To my knowledge

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Holy cow i have never heard killer spin but looked it up and there it was. But like i showed its diffrent on every site! It is ridiculous!

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I wouldn't worry about the wobble really if I were you if that's a morph you really liked! Spider has always been a favorite of mine! I have a calibee and a humblebee right now and you wouldn't notice either one wobble. It was a little noticeable in my female when she was shipped but now you wouldn't see it. I had a regular spider when I was younger and I didn't really see a wobble in him either back then.

http://i.imgur.com/z2XUCmn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HwdjHzX.jpg

Of course there are quite a few morphs out there to choose from! You might like a reduced pattern clown.

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The picture on the bottom is that the humble bee?

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