Super pastel?

This is my first clutch so I apologize for my ignorance. The pairing was pied x bumblebee. One hatchling looks like a bumblebee, but the second one looks like a super pastel to me. They haven't had first shed yet but are starting to color up. Thoughts?

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Could you pied be a pastel pied?

I don't think so but I will post pics of pied. I was thinking maybe bumblebee was really killer bee, but looks like bumblebee to me.

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Can you post a picture of the parents? They sure look like a Super Pastel and a BumbleBee to me, but that begs a few questions.....

Dam
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02...0ecddf5cd9.jpg

Sire
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Was the female a virgin? Possible retained sperm?

Was picked up as an adult. I'm pretty sure it was a virgin but I will try to verify.

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Yeah he doesn't look like a pumpkin pied but that sure looks like a super to me as well.
Has it shed out yet?

No they haven't shed yet.

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Oh, my bad, I thought they had shed already. In that case, the one that looks like a Bee is probably a nice Spider. That other one still looks like a Super Pastel to me though. Interesting...

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Originally Posted by Slim

Oh, my bad, I thought they had shed already. In that case, the one that looks like a Bee is probably a nice Spider. That other one still looks like a Super Pastel to me though. Interesting...

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I'd have to disagree, that's definitely not a Spider, it's a Bee. Middle baby is an unshed spider.

http://i.imgur.com/Sleuxu2l.jpg

Yea you can tell by head it's a bee.
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Yes, 10000000000000% a Bee. That does look like a Super Pastel, though. Let us know what the breeder says, he may have bred her.

Mystery solved. Apparently she was paired with pastel het pied too.

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Originally Posted by Galaxygirl

I'd have to disagree, that's definitely not a Spider, it's a Bee.

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Now that I'm off my phone and back on my computer, I see the light...and the Bee LoL

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Originally Posted by devemile

Mystery solved. Apparently she was paired with pastel het pied too.

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Awesome, looks like you got a good deal, then. Anymore hatchlings aside from the Bee and Super Pastel? (:

No only two hatchlings from this clutch. But hopefully I will have a few more interesting clutches this season.

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Originally Posted by devemile

No only two hatchlings from this clutch. But hopefully I will have a few more interesting clutches this season.

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Look forward to seeing them! :D

So that would indicate the Super Pastel was sired by the Pastel het Pied, and if so that means it is only possible het for Pied, correct? Now what about the Bee? The Pastel could be from the Dam/Bee or the Sire/Pastel het Pied. So there is no way to be 100% certain it is het for Pied unless it is proved out. That's kind of a bummer, since you had probably expected them to be 100% het Pied. They are really beautiful just the same.

Exactly! Now I have to deal with poss hets. At least it was a bumblebee and a super pastel instead of normals.

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Have you sexed them yet?

Not yet. Was going to wait until they shed.

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