Where to find super dwarves

I've been searching online and can't seem to fine pure super dwarves or high percent super dwarves. Many places I look don't list percentages. I know that any morphs or hets are going to be a mix. I'm sure their out there, just can't find much. Prehistoric pets list some, but they have mixed reviews.

You may have to wait a bit until this year's clutches start hatching. High percentage or 100% SD's are pretty popular and usually sell quickly.

Good to know. Will have to keep my eyes open. Does anyone have any idea who breeds them.

I know Reptile Ave has a few pure SD's, but I don't know if they are currently breeding them....Travis Kubes also was working with Pure SDs when I was researching them.

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

I know Reptile Ave has a few pure SD's, but I don't know if they are currently breeding them....Travis Kubes also was working with Pure SDs when I was researching them.

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I have a male Kalatoa produced by him. He has a date with a pure female in a few months, she just needs to mature. :D

Travis kubes only has a Facebook page, and it looks like is been abandoned.

Try reptilexperts, they are on the forum here. Maybe send him a pm.

Also check out Vital Exotics. They breed lots of retic morphs as well as dwarf/sd and mainlands. Oh also check out Prehistoric Pets. They do a lot of retics too if I remember correctly.

Ok. Thanks everyone. Think I will have to wait until this year's clutches have hatched. I think I'm more interested in a 100% super dwarf than I am interested in a morph that has been crossed with a super dwarf. Still trying to figure out that part of the deal.

I just heard back from prehistoric pets. It doesn't sound like they keep track of what localities they breed, but weather it's dwarf or super dwarf. I understand that you really can't guarantee a size, but I worry about it getting just too big. That's why I think I'll wait for a 100% kalatoa.

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

It doesn't sound like they keep track of what localities they breed, but weather it's dwarf or super dwarf.

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I think that's a mistake - just like with the boa keepers who want specific-lineage locality BCI's, there are plenty of folks who will want specific locality SD's, not crosses of different SD lines.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

I think that's a mistake - just like with the boa keepers who want specific-lineage locality BCI's, there are plenty of folks who will want specific locality SD's, not crosses of different SD lines.

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I agree. I think what has driven people to cross them with the mainlands is the morphs. The problem is, once crossed to a mainland to pick up that gene wheather a recessive or co dominant, it can never be 100% locality again. I know people love morphs, me included, but I think pure super dwarf retics still have a strong place in the market.

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

I agree. I think what has driven people to cross them with the mainlands is the morphs. The problem is, once crossed to a mainland to pick up that gene wheather a recessive or co dominant, it can never be 100% locality again. I know people love morphs, me included, but I think pure super dwarf retics still have a strong place in the market.

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I stand corrected. Looks like there is 100% Super dwarf anery. Not sure of locality though.

I have a pure Javan male (dwarf locallity) 1.1 sd anery that will breed next season I hope, 0.1 50% sd phantom, 100% dwarf 1.0 orange ghost stripe, That pair should go next season if they keep growing the way they have been. I'm expecting my 75% dwarf lav girl to drop eggs very soon paired to my tiger motley het albino male. also have a wc botan male (dwarf locale) and looking to pick up a female come spring from a friend. also got my fingers crossed that my gc het albino took to my sunstripe het albino and get a good clutch from them this season. hit me up via pm if you need anything. I also have a lot of friends that have dwarf and super dwarf stuff.

Right now I'm think 100% kalatoa female. I'm still working on the financing part and thinking it through.

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Originally Posted by H.o.F.R

I have a pure Javan male (dwarf locallity) 1.1 sd anery that will breed next season I hope, 0.1 50% sd phantom, 100% dwarf 1.0 orange ghost stripe, That pair should go next season if they keep growing the way they have been. I'm expecting my 75% dwarf lav girl to drop eggs very soon paired to my tiger motley het albino male. also have a wc botan male (dwarf locale) and looking to pick up a female come spring from a friend. also got my fingers crossed that my gc het albino took to my sunstripe het albino and get a good clutch from them this season. hit me up via pm if you need anything. I also have a lot of friends that have dwarf and super dwarf stuff.

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Will do thanks.

Just now getting back to catching up on some forum stuff in here. . . .

Yeah, Prehistoric pets does not keep locality information on their SD /D lines, they try and keep track of %, but even that seems iffy to me based on Jay's marketing styles.

Travis Kubes is currently not producing SD retics, and has sold most of his collection. It's a sad day, I really miss him in the hobby - but he refocused his life, and I'm happy for him!

Vital Exotics, Kris is a great guy with good communications. But most of his stuff is crossed, with offerings of pures every now and then, but usually not from his own personal stock, but from trades / purchases to resell.

I am no longer working with pure SDs, but will have one batch of F2 50% Kalatoa Tiger / Super Tigers before moving on from SD Crosses and focusing on my Jampeas (major enhancing locale, with potential for both small and big).

If you want a snake that is the size of a corn snake, but a retic by all definitions, a super dwarf pure male Kalatoa is the way to go. If you want something that has some size to it, a 50% F2 Cross is a good way to go because they don't seem to grow past a certain point. My 4 year old female has slammed food her entire life, and she is not growing past 8' roughly. The male first generation 50% Kalatoa cross though is around 11 ft. So it definitely varies based on WHICH generation cross you get.

Some things to keep in mind though.

1) Parental size does not = offspring growth potential
2) Pures are going to be in higher demand and cost will go up in the years to come IF retics manage to get their spot locked on the Lacy Act (bye bye imports)
3) Pures are not as domesticated. They are flighty, some are bitey, and I just did not enjoy working with them personally.
4) The only way to honestly know you are getting the locale you are buying is if you go collect the snake yourself, or you buy from someone who went and collected their lines themselves. Just like in Boa Constrictors, it is a mess when you try and get down to an exact where a snake originated from. Exporters can easily manipulate the documents and say its from a new locale, and just be a weird snake from a different area, or they may come across many different areas. The first SD's that were brought in, were from Kalatoa. They were marketed as SD retics thanks to Bob Clark who coined the phrase.

If you have any questions, direct message me and I'll gladly help. I am dying to get new videos up about SD / D retics and show some updates on some of my crosses, but between caring for the dozen retics, few colubrids, boas, Gila, dogs, cats, fosters, work, travel, photography, and resting, getting these videos up and made has been a huge challenge for me lately.

Hope this helps.

. Is all been very helpful. I think I need to step back and save up some more money and see what becomes available in the near future And make my decision based on the market availability and how much space I can afford to give to this snake.

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

3) Pures are not as domesticated. They are flighty, some are bitey, and I just did not enjoy working with them personally.

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That's interesting, my pure male must be an outlier. I would call him more "foody" than my other retics but once he knows he's not getting fed he's no more difficult to handle than any other six foot snake.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

That's interesting, my pure male must be an outlier. I would call him more "foody" than my other retics but once he knows he's not getting fed he's no more difficult to handle than any other six foot snake.

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Not that they are aggressive, just flighty like a wilder king snake is or a rat snake that doesn't get handled often. The crosses help calm them some thanks to longer term domestication. Not saying that this is the case every single time, but it is just the case as it is with smaller snakes who have more fear, and snakes who are short term introduced into captivity without many generations if any from the wild.

It's getting kind of frustrating trying to find one. I know this is probably the wrong time of year also. I've emailed a guy from Canada that I've seen on YouTube where he had a clutch of 100% kalatoas, but he says he hasn't worked with them since 2010 because Canada has been regulated. I don't know if it would be feasible to get them from the UK but there are a few breeders there. I'm hoping that once this season for shipping snakes opens up a little more with the warm temperatures not too far away I will be able to find one. Everybody I've talked to through email neither has gotten out of them or doesn't deal with 100% Anymore. Like most markets, it seems driven by morphs.

Remember if you are in the US anything you get has to be from the US no importation is allowed at this time. From Canada or Europe or Mexico.


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Remember if you are in the US anything you get has to be from the US no importation is allowed at this time. From Canada or Europe or Mexico.


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Totally forgot. Do you think retics will suffer the same fate as burmese?

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

Totally forgot. Do you think retics will suffer the same fate as burmese?

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I certainly hope not. but the only thing we can do is support USARK and pray that they can beat it in court. its looking favorable from my understanding. there's a hearing coming up in DC. check out the usark website to read up on it.

The USARK situation will do 1 of 3 things:

1) The lacy act gets voted as having no control authority over animals crossing state lines
- this would allow any snake listed on the lacy act to be transported across state lines again, including all anaconda, Burmese, afrocks, and retics (if added)
2) Retics are not added on the lacy act, but state transport is ruled as governed under the lacy act
- case 1 would NOT apply, but retics would again be allowed for importation and crossing of state lines.
3) We lose both cases, retics are added, and we can not transport lacy animals due to the coverage of interstate transport by the Lacy Act.
- WCS (Worst case scenario) - this would lead retics to the fate of the Burmese over time.

Keep your head up and keep saving. More information will be available form USARK on april 1.

Anyone want to speculate on the price of a 100% kalatoa ? Maybe I can't even afford one!

My male was $300 just over a year ago, but the seller was motivated and didn't have to ship since I drove to his place and paid cash. I also got another retic at the same time so I got a bit of a discount on both.

I think the price has gone up on dwarves and SD's since FWS put retics on the Lacey list, in part because people want a retic now before they can't easily get one. While they don't want a mainland that can get up to 20 feet or even more, one that matures in the 10-12 foot range is manageable.

There is a super dwarf on a certain listing site in my state, been posted on and off for a month about a super dwarf, I believe albino, I'll have to check. He's asking 1,000 firm.

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Originally Posted by Kokorobosoi

There is a super dwarf on a certain listing site in my state, been posted on and off for a month about a super dwarf, I believe albino, I'll have to check. He's asking 1,000 firm.

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Albino is a mainland morph. The snake can be a high-percentage SD but not a 100% pure locality SD.

Ah, well that explains why he can't seem to get rid of it. Was wondering, but if hubby caught me investigating he'd have kittens lol.

Anery is the only true dwarf morph right now. I've made contact with someone hoping for eggs this year from their pure kalatoa female, but they don't know what they would even price them at.

If you see a guy selling some named Carl Aiken, he usually does his pricing fair. He has a pair of SD stuff that proved anery / het anery a couple years back. It was the mother to my platinum het anery that I ended up selling to Michael Powell. She just laid 32 eggs a couple months back at 11' long. So watch for that name. I know his snakes are nice.

Put a deposit down on a 100% super dwarf female. Mom is 6 feet, dad is 5 feet. Will be here in about 2 weeks. Super pumped.

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

Put a deposit down on a 100% super dwarf female. Mom is 6 feet, dad is 5 feet. Will be here in about 2 weeks. Super pumped.

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Sounds promising , I have a F2 Dwarf Hypo Burmese Python with parents the similar lengths as that and he's still under 3' long and nearly 2 years old .

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

Sounds promising , I have a F2 Dwarf Hypo Burmese Python with parents the similar lengths as that and he's still under 3' long and nearly 2 years old .

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Wow that's small.

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

Wow that's small.

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There's a few older pix on one of my threads incidentally .
Amazingly it still has all the normal Burm traits .

Holy cow. My 6 month old albino burm is well over three feet now!

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

Holy cow. My 6 month old albino burm is well over three feet now!

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I'm very pleased to have a dinky little Hypo Burm I admit .

I had a standard Hypo Burm a few years ago but he reached nearly 7 foot in the first 12 months , my wife went bonkers as she could practically see him growing before her eyes ..

Ah, yeah these burms can grow ridiculously fast! My albino was the runt of the litter, and seems to be growing a tad slower.

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

Put a deposit down on a 100% super dwarf female. Mom is 6 feet, dad is 5 feet. Will be here in about 2 weeks. Super pumped.

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Nice! What locality?

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Nice! What locality?

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Kalatoa.

Not sure if it's kalatoa now. Its pretty dark. I have pictures of her, and her parents I'll try posting later. Both parents are 6 feet or maybe a little less. All the kalatoa pictures I've seen are lighter colored. The parents were wild caught imports from 2013.

She is a kalatoa. At least her parents were imported as kalatoa. The dad is darker then mom. Either way, their both tiny, and so is she.

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Here's my baby female.

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Here's mom on the eggs.

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Here's the dad.

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Here's fresh hatched.

Can't believe how small the parents are!

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

If you see a guy selling some named Carl Aiken, he usually does his pricing fair. He has a pair of SD stuff that proved anery / het anery a couple years back. It was the mother to my platinum het anery that I ended up selling to Michael Powell. She just laid 32 eggs a couple months back at 11' long. So watch for that name. I know his snakes are nice.

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haha Carl is a fellow Ohioan. He always has a great selection. always willing to work on the price of stuff too. Great guy all the way around. I didnt think he did any online sales though unless it happens to be a different Carl Aiken lol

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

Can't believe how small the parents are!

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The dad is micro.:rofl:

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The dad is micro.:rofl:

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If the male doesn't get any bigger it would bring a SD back into the possible category for me

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

If the male doesn't get any bigger it would bring a SD back into the possible category for me

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Hes 5 feet. I just can't get over how tiny he is. He's just like everyone says, about the size of a big corn snake. If more of these were available in the market, I think more people would have retics. It took me months and months to find one, and she was the breeders hold back that he agreed to sell.

When she gets here I'll start a new progression thread.