Need Important Advice (Expert Knowledge of Reptiles Needed)

Just found an amazing 3 story cage. The cage is custom made and properly heated and decorated amazingly. It's like 4ft x 4ft measurements. Though the cage is a decent price but come with a different species of snake other than a BP. If i were to house 2 different species of snake in that enclosure, due to the availability of space would there be any issue? Do BP target other species? This other species of snake is small and similar in size to a teenage BP (. I know for a fact the snake being housed isn't aggressive. Plus the snake in there is diurnal while BP's are nocturnal. So wouldn't there be no issue sense multiple "best" heating spots are available. I wouldn't be feeding both at the same time ether. This is just hypothesis i don't even know if i want to obtain this cage just thought the concept was interesting. So a milk and a BP becoming buddies doable? I've never seen a post about housing a diurnal and a nocturnal together so it got me wondering. Oh btw their both male so no hybrids gonna happen by accident.

u don't mean you're gonna house your BP and the Milk Snake in the same space right? u mean your BP in one story of the enclosure, the Milk Snake on another story and the third one being empty? it's not a good idea to house a BP with another snake regardless of species, size or sex just b/c of their personality and how easy they can become stressed.

i made a thread asking about Corns vs. Kings/Milks before i got mine. I asked if it would be a problem for my BP's. i have two baby Milks now and they are in the same room with some BP's no problem. but i don't handle them together or even handle/feed the Milks after handling my BP's or Corn. and they are in separate enclosures of course.

Common sense will tell you that different species often have different husbandry requirement.

This cage would be great for an arboreal or semi arboreal species (which BP are not by the way), no idea about the animal currently house in the cage since you give little to no info.

Getting a cheap cage is one thing getting one suited for your need is another.

Given your limited experience I would suggest to try to continue to maintain the animal you already have successfully for now.

^ oh, it's an arboreal cage with 3 open stories? oh no, not a good idea to house a Milk Snake and BP in there. no way.

u just got your baby BP eating. u might be super excited but need to stop and think about it before adding another snake esp. with this crazy set-up.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

^ oh, it's an arboreal cage with 3 open stories? oh no, not a good idea to house a Milk Snake and BP in there. no way.

u just got your baby BP eating. u might be super excited but need to stop and think about it before adding another snake esp. with this crazy set-up.

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This isn't my set up, plus i've had my hatchling eating for awhile. I was wondering if the milk and the ball could co exist because they wouldn't even really see each other due to their sleep patterns. Though this set up i found is pretty dope the milk is like 4 years old so it defiantly likes living inside of it.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Common sense will tell you that different species often have different husbandry requirement.

This cage would be great for an arboreal or semi arboreal species (which BP are not by the way), no idea about the animal currently house in the cage since you give little to no info.

Getting a cheap cage is one thing getting one suited for your need is another.

Given your limited experience I would suggest to try to continue to maintain the animal you already have successfully for now.

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I gave the sizes are similar and the types of snakes and even their sleeping patterns. Each story has the suitable needs for a ball python. I may not have had my BP long, i do know what my BP needs to live happy. This cage is so nice i was only wondering if a BP would even be stressed due to never being awake for the milk snake fiddling around. Plus like i said this was only a concept, i wasn't planning on paying large amount for the cage but due to how unique it was i contemplated in my head the type of things could be done with it. Actually this cage would probably be better than most tub set ups people have due to the plants giving cover and the multitude of hides inside of it. Also common sense isn't practical when it comes to hybrids sometimes; not saying it's possible between a ball and milk but there are some screwed up hybrids that don't ever live after insemination. Though in my post i made it plain i wasn't even contemplating buying this so i don't understand why you're recommending me to stick to my tubs. :b0x0rz:

Despite ball pythons being nocturnal, they do wake up throughout the day, so suggesting that the two species won't see each other due to sleep patterns is not correct. Also, if you were sleeping in a nice comfy bed and some other person was cruising over you while you were trying to sleep and moving all around your house, you'd wake up too. While ball pythons mainly eat rodents, I'm not certain a hungry ball wouldn't eat (or attempt to eat) a smaller snake, not to mention different heating and humidity needs. All and all, each species should be kept in cage set up for its own specific needs.

The milk snake will literally kill your ball python. The end done. It will then probably try and eat the ball python and subsequently die because the ball python is too large to digest.

Its a terrible idea and if you do it then you deserve any problems that come your way.

You'll have a hard time convincing even me who isn't totally against keeping two snakes of the same species together, to even keep those two snakes together.

However two snakes of different species? Completely different genus and family? Even worse.

Don't do it because it's stupid and borderline animal abuse.


Also, both milk snakes and ball pythons are nocturnal.

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

Though in my post i made it plain i wasn't even contemplating buying this so i don't understand why you're recommending me to stick to my tubs. :b0x0rz:

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Might want to re-read my post.

I have not told you to stick to tubs I have told you to gain experience, I also recommended to use common sense, again those are two different species from very different geographical locations, having different husbandry needs. (temps and humidty)

Milk, rat, and king snakes are all cannibals - they will kill and eat other snakes. This is why I get upset when my neighbors kill the wild black rat snakes - they are killing a snake that eats copperheads and rattlesnakes.

The husbandry requirements for the milk snakes are vastly different than for the BP. The milk needs temps from the low-mid 70's to mid 80's with low to moderate humidity, your ball python needs temps from the upper 70's to low 90's with high humidity.

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Originally Posted by Jhill001

The milk snake will literally kill your ball python. The end done. It will then probably try and eat the ball python and subsequently die because the ball python is too large to digest.

Its a terrible idea and if you do it then you deserve any problems that come your way.

You'll have a hard time convincing even me who isn't totally against keeping two snakes of the same species together, to even keep those two snakes together.

However two snakes of different species? Completely different genus and family? Even worse.

Don't do it because it's stupid and borderline animal abuse.


Also, both milk snakes and ball pythons are nocturnal.

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Chill no need to ruffle feathers, if you would've read the post you would know already i don't even have the cage. Time to take a breather before calling PETA i'm not doing live animal testing on my BP :rofl:. Also Milk Snakes are diurnal, they have a unique aspect to being diurnal though being they can change their sleep habits throughout the seasons. Also why do you assume the milk snake would just immediately hunt the BP? Majority examples of documented cannibalism from housing together it when you feed them at the same time. Please provide evidence of a milk snake going out of it's way to eat a BP for no reason which is the same size as the milk.

SD,

If you don't want the advice, why did you ask?

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Originally Posted by Crowfingers

Despite ball pythons being nocturnal, they do wake up throughout the day, so suggesting that the two species won't see each other due to sleep patterns is not correct. Also, if you were sleeping in a nice comfy bed and some other person was cruising over you while you were trying to sleep and moving all around your house, you'd wake up too. While ball pythons mainly eat rodents, I'm not certain a hungry ball wouldn't eat (or attempt to eat) a smaller snake, not to mention different heating and humidity needs. All and all, each species should be kept in cage set up for its own specific needs.

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Though i agree with the Ball python will see the corn sometimes, they wouldn't be competing for the same hides due to the numerous amounts of them. I did factor in both their requirements and both species prefer the same ambient temperature, humidity, and heating pad temperature (Both species can live just fine with 60% humidity, high 80's heating pad, and constant 80 degree ambient temperature. You make a point with the hungry ball python but they are so picky that i have doubt on them striking a milk because i don't feed him snake scented rats. Plus the milk it seems to primarily live on the 2nd floor which i doubt the BP would climb up to. Though i wasn't really planning on doing this but i couldn't find a counter argument on why it couldn't be done. If that makes sense. :handshake

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Originally Posted by distaff

SD,

If you don't want the advice, why did you ask?

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There's a different between advice on what you ask rather than recommending stuff i originally didn't ask. Staying open minded is important for all subjects.

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

Though i agree with the Ball python will see the corn sometimes, they wouldn't be competing for the same hides due to the numerous amounts of them. I did factor in both their requirements and both species prefer the same ambient temperature, humidity, and heating pad temperature (Both species can live just fine with 60% humidity, high 80's heating pad, and constant 80 degree ambient temperature. You make a point with the hungry ball python but they are so picky that i have doubt on them striking a milk because i don't feed him snake scented rats. Plus the milk it seems to primarily live on the 2nd floor which i doubt the BP would climb up to. Though i wasn't really planning on doing this but i couldn't find a counter argument on why it couldn't be done. If that makes sense. :handshake

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So now you want to put THREE in there?
SMH
Those animals deserve better.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Might want to re-read my post.

I have not told you to stick to tubs I have told you to gain experience, I also recommended to use common sense, again those are two different species from very different geographical locations, having different husbandry needs. (temps and humidty)

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" Given your limited experience I would suggest to try to continue to maintain the animal you already have successfully for now."

Maintaing the animal i already have living fine now means sticking to my tub setup. Though i wasn't even planning on husbandry for my snakes. What i found interesting actually both species can live suitably together when it comes to the humidity, ambient temperature, and heating temperature. This is why i thought it was an interesting concept that bypassed the usual arguments people have against housing together multiple snakes. :date:

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Originally Posted by distaff

So now you want to put THREE in there?
SMH
Those animals deserve better.

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LOL oops i meant milk instead of corn. Though hold down on the trigger Mr.Edge, this topic seems to be ruffling your feathers maybe you should take a 15 minute break and do 30 jumping jacks then join back into the conversation.

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

There's a different between advice on what you ask rather than recommending stuff i originally didn't ask. Staying open minded is important for all subjects.

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You asked if it was a good idea you were given answers the only problem is that the answers are not what YOU want to hear even though they are based on simple common sense.

Based on your answers you are here for validation, you want a pat on the back and people to tell you that it is a great idea nothing more.

So I will say it "Don't mind the different husbandry requirements of two different species go ahead do it, it's a great idea" Happy?

You have a lot to learn. :gj:

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Milk, rat, and king snakes are all cannibals - they will kill and eat other snakes. This is why I get upset when my neighbors kill the wild black rat snakes - they are killing a snake that eats copperheads and rattlesnakes.

The husbandry requirements for the milk snakes are vastly different than for the BP. The milk needs temps from the low-mid 70's to mid 80's with low to moderate humidity, your ball python needs temps from the upper 70's to low 90's with high humidity.

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Yeah i looked at that, both their ranges for requirements fit in with each other; BP's live fine with 60% which most terrariums fit that as their humidity levels and milk's are fine with that humidity. This is the advice i'm looking for you have given facts and evidence into possible reasons it might not work while not becoming slanted. Though snakes resort to cannibalism when there is competition? These 2 wouldn't be close to competing. (This doesn't apply to you) Why is everyone making this conversation as if i have the milk snake and ball python together right now? I don't plan on buying the cage like i stated. Plus i only own BP's which i plan on sticking with for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

Though i agree with the Ball python will see the corn sometimes, they wouldn't be competing for the same hides due to the numerous amounts of them. I did factor in both their requirements and both species prefer the same ambient temperature, humidity, and heating pad temperature (Both species can live just fine with 60% humidity, high 80's heating pad, and constant 80 degree ambient temperature. You make a point with the hungry ball python but they are so picky that i have doubt on them striking a milk because i don't feed him snake scented rats. Plus the milk it seems to primarily live on the 2nd floor which i doubt the BP would climb up to. Though i wasn't really planning on doing this but i couldn't find a counter argument on why it couldn't be done. If that makes sense. :handshake

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sounds like u have really given this a lot of thought and "research." based on this post (and other ones from u), u have a lot of reasons or excuses to get this enclosure and keep the 4 year old Milk Snake and your baby BP together. u came up with all of those reasons yourself. no other forumer has said the snakes won't see each other, the BP won't go to the second story, there's plenty of hides, their husbandry is the same, etc. etc.

again why bother asking? sounds like u already made up your mind.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

You asked if it was a good idea you were given answers the only problem is that the answers are not what YOU want to hear even though they are based on simple common sense.

Based on your answers you are here for validation, you want a pat on the back and people to tell you that it is a great idea nothing more.

So I will say it "Don't mind the different husbandry requirements of two different species go ahead do it, it's a great idea" Happy?

You have a lot to learn. :gj:

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LOL a pat on the back, a "Good job bud". No nowhere near to why i posted this based on your assumption. First off i know NONE of you irl, why would i want "YOU" to compliment me :rofl:. Like i've stated both species have proven to live fine in conditions of mid 80's, 60% humidity, and 80 degree ambient temperature. No need to rustle your jimmies maybe doing some light exercises and shake off some frustration.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

sounds like u have really given this a lot of thought and "research." based on this post (and other ones from u), u have a lot of reasons or excuses to get this enclosure and keep the 4 year old Milk Snake and your baby BP together. u came up with all of those reasons yourself. no other forumer has said the snakes won't see each other, the BP won't go to the second story, there's plenty of hides, their husbandry is the same, etc. etc.

again why bother asking? sounds like u already made up your mind.

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lol i've stated 4 times now i'm not planning on even buying the enclosure. I didn't buy the enclosure and i'm not going to buy the enclosure. Re read the post again.

P.S you're bringing no new thoughts or ideas to this conversation you are just trying to join in on a age old circle jerk for no reason. Plus you didn't even start using that as your argument until others stated otherwise. Also i used no excuses haha otherwise i wouldn't use that in my reasoning because then i would be using fallacies.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Milk, rat, and king snakes are all cannibals - they will kill and eat other snakes. This is why I get upset when my neighbors kill the wild black rat snakes - they are killing a snake that eats copperheads and rattlesnakes.

The husbandry requirements for the milk snakes are vastly different than for the BP. The milk needs temps from the low-mid 70's to mid 80's with low to moderate humidity, your ball python needs temps from the upper 70's to low 90's with high humidity.

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Pretty sure there is only one species of rat snake that is a cannibal and its from Asia.

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

Just found an amazing 3 story cage. The cage is custom made and properly heated and decorated amazingly. It's like 4ft x 4ft measurements. Though the cage is a decent price but come with a different species of snake other than a BP. If i were to house 2 different species of snake in that enclosure, due to the availability of space would there be any issue? Do BP target other species? This other species of snake is small and similar in size to a teenage BP (. I know for a fact the snake being housed isn't aggressive. Plus the snake in there is diurnal while BP's are nocturnal. So wouldn't there be no issue sense multiple "best" heating spots are available. I wouldn't be feeding both at the same time ether. This is just hypothesis i don't even know if i want to obtain this cage just thought the concept was interesting. So a milk and a BP becoming buddies doable? I've never seen a post about housing a diurnal and a nocturnal together so it got me wondering. Oh btw their both male so no hybrids gonna happen by accident.

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This was my way of gauging attention for this community. My other techniques which i tested didn't work in getting fast and quality responses. I now know to use extreme clickbait topics to get fast responses in the future. I actually based this on an extremely old post based on a guy who kept 3 ball pythons in a 100 gal container and this actually got as many responses and had the same arguments and counter arguments for the most part as that. Interesting how you can cause history to repeat itself. :hug::community:reading:

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

This was my way of gauging attention for this community. My other techniques which i tested didn't work in getting fast and quality responses. I now know to use extreme clickbait topics to get fast responses in the future. I actually based this on an extremely old post based on a guy who kept 3 ball pythons in a 100 gal container and this actually got as many responses and had the same arguments and counter arguments for the most part as that. Interesting how you can cause history to repeat itself. :hug::community:reading:

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so u admit to attention seeking and trolling a forum of snake lovers? grow up kid. :rolleyes:

Haha i also know which mods i'm going to even bother talking to in the future ;). Ability to spot trolls is essential for moderators but trying to go into a fallacy argument with one benefits no one. :colbert:

Haha but i do like the butthurt reputation refund :). I'll see ya later under different names.

lol Kid? Says the "Adult" on a "football team" get real you ain't some 18 year old as you claim haha. Plus if you're gonna be using texting slang on a forum don't be trying to level out other's maturity. The actual adults on this thread stopped replying kid, because they know when to stop haha.

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

Haha i also know which mods i'm going to even bother talking to in the future ;). Ability to spot trolls is essential for moderators but trying to go into a fallacy argument with one benefits no one. :colbert:

Haha but i do like the butthurt reputation refund :). I'll see ya later under different names.

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