Finally hatched out my first clutch!

So after 4 years, I finally got my first clutch. Pairing was spider to pastel. I got 9 eggs, but lost 2 due to weird yolk issue. They were both bumblebees too :( So final tally is 4 bees 1 spider and 2 pastel. Thing is, the bees look so different from each other. 2 are normal looking bees and 2 are very light with brown markings vs the black of the other bees. Any idea? I'm of course waiting til after shed to figure it out, as I know that could change.[IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/image_3.jpeg[/IMG][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...nts/image.jpeg[/IMG]

Congrats on the beautiful hatchlings!

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Originally Posted by eclipse3

So after 4 years, I finally got my first clutch. Pairing was spider to pastel. I got 9 eggs, but lost 2 due to weird yolk issue. They were both bumblebees too :( So final tally is 4 bees 1 spider and 2 pastel. Thing is, the bees look so different from each other. 2 are normal looking bees and 2 are very light with brown markings vs the black of the other bees. Any idea? I'm of course waiting til after shed to figure it out, as I know that could change.[IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/image_3.jpeg[/IMG][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...nts/image.jpeg[/IMG]

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I count 2 bumble bees, 2 lesser bees, 2 lessers and a spider.
Is your bumble bee male a queen bee or pastel female a lesser pastel? Of course butter and lesser are more or less the same thing, just to confuse things a little more.
Or has your female been paired in the past and not layed? Which could indicate retained sperm.

I don't see any pastels... those are lessers abd lesser bees and bumble bees.

Congrats. 👍👍

Congratulations on the hatchlings!

Sorry to hear about the two losses.

They look great! Congrats!

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Originally Posted by blbsnakes

I count 2 bumble bees, 2 lesser bees, 2 lessers and a spider.
Is your bumble bee male a queen bee or pastel female a lesser pastel? Of course butter and lesser are more or less the same thing, just to confuse things a little more.
Or has your female been paired in the past and not layed? Which could indicate retained sperm.

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Mom is a virgin and the only 2 males I had with her are both spiders.
I will find some pics.
I thought lesser as well.

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No Lesser in that mix.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

No Lesser in that mix.

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Well I know it's not in the parents. It's just weird how the babies look. And I have no male lesser/butter.

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Originally Posted by eclipse3

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Cool. Idk, lol. I definitely don't see lesser in the parents. Very nice balls and gorgeous babies either way. Congrats!

Weird. Those definitely look like Lesser Bees

wait till after they shed then see but i see hold backs if they were mine

Those are definitely Lessers/Butters. How long of you had the female? What size was she when you got her?


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Originally Posted by eclipse3

Mom is a virgin and the only 2 males I had with her are both spiders.
I will find some pics.
I thought lesser as well.

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Have you had her since a hatching? If not, there's no way to prove she's virgin.

Also isn't 9 eggs big for a first clutch?

I've had her since she was a hatchling so I know she was virgin :) And yeah I was surprised at 9 eggs, but she's also over 2100 g and 4 years old before having her first clutch. So maybe that's why? Babies will be shedding any day now. I will post updated pics why they do. [emoji16]


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awesome clutch, great job!

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Originally Posted by blbsnakes

I count 2 bumble bees, 2 lesser bees, 2 lessers and a spider.
Is your bumble bee male a queen bee or pastel female a lesser pastel? Of course butter and lesser are more or less the same thing, just to confuse things a little more.
Or has your female been paired in the past and not layed? Which could indicate retained sperm.

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This is what I see as well.

Lol people confused pastel for lesser?? Congrats on the clutch tho!

Congrats...

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Originally Posted by stickyalvinroll

Lol people confused pastel for lesser?? Congrats on the clutch tho!

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Nobody confused anything. Those are indeed Lesser and not pastel. Unless the wrong picture got posted, or somehow The camera altered the color and pattern of the snakes. If the OP isn't leaving out something then one of the parents must be carrying the gene with Very low expression. I have hatched out lessers & pastels.

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That is after everyone shed (except the littlest one)

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Can you find out if either of the parents of this clutch had a lesser for a parent. It has happened in the past that chimeric animals (and even humans!) will have ovaries/testes that contain different genetics than are visible in that particular individual, and thus throw offspring that they technically 'shouldn't be able to'.

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Would you look at that...pretty adorable them all coming into your hand. Congrats on your first clutch. some great looking snakes!!:D

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Originally Posted by Spiritserpents

Can you find out if either of the parents of this clutch had a lesser for a parent. It has happened in the past that chimeric animals (and even humans!) will have ovaries/testes that contain different genetics than are visible in that particular individual, and thus throw offspring that they technically 'shouldn't be able to'.

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I doubt the guy I got them from will remember from years ago, but that is definitely something I will check into :)

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Originally Posted by AllThatInThemGenes

Would you look at that...pretty adorable them all coming into your hand. Congrats on your first clutch. some great looking snakes!!:D

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Yeah they are all pretty crazy..they don't ball up at all. Not even when I want them to lol.

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the striped snake on your last picture is the craziest of all in that pretty mess. i see 2 bees. 2 lesserbees. 1lesser. and that last snake the head in the middle on the last picture that could be a weird lesser. I m also thinking your pastel is a chimera: pastel/ butter but the weird lesser need a evolution checking!!!
super excited for you

I think "weird lesser" is the little one that has not shed yet?

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Here is the last little lesser to shed. She's the runt at only 34 grams at hatching. Her name is Twinkie and she's staying with me :)

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yeah. my mistake pretty classic lesser after shedding

Congrats on the clutch! I love the little curly Q off of twinkies dorsal stripe. She is a cutie!