Do Blue Eyed Leucistic's eyes lighten after first shed?

We got our first BEL (Lesser x Lesser) and her eyes seem pretty dark. In photos they look extremely black, and in person they're kind of a stormy dark grey, but not seeing much blue going on. Do they lighten after the first shed or are the eyes just varying degrees of blue depending on the snake?

What color are the pupils?

If the eyes are completely black then it is a black eyed leucistic and most likely a fire x fire pairing. They do sometimes have greyish, blue and greenish blue eyes. Usually they are more blue then anything though. And I have never seen a snake's eye change color so no, it will stay the color it is.

The pupils are red. The pairing was Lesser x Lesser. Not Black eyed leucistic

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Originally Posted by Galaxygirl

The pupils are red. The pairing was Lesser x Lesser. Not Black eyed leucistic

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This was your own pairing? Were there any other BELs produced with different eyes? Were there lessers produced? The eye you are describing is a Black eyed leucistic all the way, especially the red pupil.

Do you have pictures?

It was our pairing. Lesser Pastel Spider x Lesser. Only one BEL in the clutch and the rest of the clutchmates all have lesser in them. After talking to other breeders, some say it may be spider or pastel influencing it, and another person says they'll turn blue after shed. Pictures don't really help as they look pitch black in photos. In person they're a stormy/dark grey color.

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Sire

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Dam

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Very interesting. I'll be staying tuned to this thread for updates. Nice looking clutch BTW.

I really like that male! :)

Also interested and will be following along. Beautiful hatchlings by the way!

Thanks everyone! I'll be updating after shed with new photos.

Perhaps both parents are also yellowbelly? Perhaps you have yourself an ivory morph?

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Originally Posted by Kibbleswhites

Perhaps both parents are also yellowbelly? Perhaps you have yourself an ivory morph?

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This was actually suggested by another breeder. He seems to think there's another gene going on and he was going to consult someone else, but I haven't heard back from him. Doesn't look like the Lesser has yellow belly in her but I don't know the markers and haven't bothered to look because I personally don't think other genes are going on in them. They'll be shedding this week/weekend and I'll see if her eyes change.

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Well black eyes with a red pupil is a black eyed lucistic and the only possible way for one of them to be made as far as i know is with two snakes carrying the fire gene... both must have been het for fire

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Well black eyes with a red pupil is a black eyed lucistic and the only possible way for one of them to be made as far as i know is with two snakes carrying the fire gene... both must have been het for fire

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Fire is a co-dominate gene I believe, not recessive. So the parents are not exactly "het" for fire. Possibly carrying fire... but I doubt it. The sire would be WAY more lighter if he had fire in him I'd say. The dam also doesn't look like she has fire. I read it's not unusual to have red pupils in Blue Eyed Lucys, don't know how true that is. Talked to a breeder at a show that said genes influence eye color in BEL's, so it could just be the pastel and spider influencing her eye color. As I mentioned before though, her eyes are not black, they are grey.

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Fire is a co-dominate gene I believe, not recessive. So the parents are not exactly "het" for fire. Possibly carrying fire... but I doubt it. The sire would be WAY more lighter if he had fire in him I'd say. The dam also doesn't look like she has fire. I read it's not unusual to have red pupils in Blue Eyed Lucys, don't know how true that is. Talked to a breeder at a show that said genes influence eye color in BEL's, so it could just be the pastel and spider influencing her eye color. As I mentioned before though, her eyes are not black, they are grey.

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My guess could be the Spider messing with the eye color, As for pastel, they dont much mess with the color, those def arnt fire. But i can only think its the spider, they mess with alot of things. From spots to nana's and alot of saddles on the pied (even full white pieds{coconut pied}) Regardless awesome little clutch you hatched out!

Congrats on the clutch! I'm anxious to see how this turns out!

~CRR

I have hatched a few of them and have seen them grow. I have never seen their eyes lightne up. My first BEL hatched with dark eyes and they stayed dark.

Here's some updated photos post shed!

Eyes are still the same as before. Very dark, red pupils. Looks pretty wicked. My guess is that she has Pastel or Spider or both in her influencing her eye color.



http://i.imgur.com/DBZWFuIh.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/g0id603l.jpg

I thought pastels made the eyes green, but thats crazy you got what looks like a black eyed lucy from a pair that shouldnt produce one... extra congrats on getting that little guy

Those eyes are super cool. Congrats on the pretty little guy. :)

P.S. I like your curtains. :gj:

I'm guessing both parents are carrying the fire or yb gene and what you have could be infact an Ivory BEL (Super lesser ivory) or super fire BEL (Super lesser Super fire)

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Those eyes are super cool. Congrats on the pretty little guy. :)

P.S. I like your curtains. :gj:

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Thanks xD Just got em. New apartment! My boyfriend and I share the bathroom but he let me decorate it.

I am guessing it is an ivory with one or more hidden genes. I do not see fire in either parent. Lets see belly pics of the parents. Also, if you have one, take some photos of the baby under a black light. More then likely she will have to be labeled a black eyed lucy unless proven otherwise via breeding.

fire is my guess: no yb in both of them and the dam is very dark for a lesser. even if i see lesser pastel and not nuclears.... for me the dam hide a fire like gene (moccha) and the male could have fire as well.
i don t see why spider or pastel should affect eyes color.

To me both animals seem to dark to have fire in them.

@ Darkranger, mocha is in de Blue eyed luecistic group so the lesser female can't have Mocha in her without being a blue eyed Lucy

my mistake. as you said both animal are dark but can host a fire like morph. do you see any YB in them?

No spider morphs in the clutch :(

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my mistake. as you said both animal are dark but can host a fire like morph. do you see any YB in them?

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No I do not see YB in them but I do not own a YB or YB combo myself but when I look at pictures YB tend to have a lot more blushing. Maybe if we get some belly shots we could be more sure

My ivory's eyes look like that. Blue-black with dark red pupils.

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