Lol petsway

So I just got back from one of our local petsways, picking up a frozen rat pup for loki. I told the girl at the counter that I wanted a frozen pup, she walked back to get the pup out the the freezer with a horrified look on her face, clutching the bag and said to me "I feel like this is animal cruelty". Keep in mind this pup was already frozen....I wanted to say "I really don't care what you think". But I just said "snakes gotta eat too, and it's more ethical than live...." I don't know why I felt like sharing, I got a good giggle out of it :p

On a side note, didn't want this to be a "rip petsway" post, we have one here that is very knowledgeable, this location in particular is starting to dissapoint me though. Their fish quality has declined recently, and I saw a dead snake in one of their tanks today...

Don't know about the whole "more ethical than live" but not trying to start another ridiculous live vs ft debate.

Everyone feeds whatever is convenient for them and their animals.

I think she meant the fact that the snake eats baby rats, I dunno her tone just wasn't very pleasant at all. I mean the snakes gotta eat something that was alive at some point right?

I would have had a very hard time not pointing out that while the rat pup was quickly and humanely euthanized before being frozen, the dead snake in the display tank very likely suffered for a long time.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

I would have had a very hard time not pointing out that while the rat pup was quickly and humanely euthanized before being frozen, the dead snake in the display tank very likely suffered for a long time.

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Yup. This. I would also be the person to say this.

She should see what conditions the animals that go into dog and car food live in before they die. Or the cow(s) that make up her Mc. Donalds burgers.

I promise the rodent lived a better life.



I'm going to be honest. That was pretty rude of her. Horrible customer service. I, personally, would have been POed about it. She's in the wrong career if she wants to talk down to customers for buying frozen rodents. I'd go back and complain, to be totally honest.

I hate to complain, but I'd be really POed.

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Originally Posted by Running Elk

She should see what conditions the animals that go into dog and car food live in before they die. Or the cow(s) that make up her Mc. Donalds burgers.

I promise the rodent lived a better life.



I'm going to be honest. That was pretty rude of her. Horrible customer service. I, personally, would have been POed about it. She's in the wrong career if she wants to talk down to customers for buying frozen rodents. I'd go back and complain, to be totally honest.

I hate to complain, but I'd be really POed.

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I considered it, but she looked every bit of 17 or 18, I frequent the shop so I know she's a new employee, I figured she wouldn't last long, but I don't want to be the reason. I did feel it was rather rude though. I wasn't necessarily insulted or anything, but i Just didn't expect it in a pet shop of all places...usually I get "whacha feeding?"

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Originally Posted by magicmed

Keep in mind this pup was already frozen....I wanted to say "I really don't care what you think". But I just said "snakes gotta eat too, and it's more ethical than live..."

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I find it more humorous that you and others chose to have a pet that eats other animals and you think feeding f/t is more "ethical".
How do you people think that frozen whatever got there?
They sure are not born that way................
Always love the double standards SMH

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I find it more humorous that you and others chose to have a pet that eats other animals and you think feeding f/t is more "ethical".
How do you people think that frozen whatever got there?
They sure are not born that way................
Always love the double standards SMH

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It is more ethical, if you disagree with that you're either stubborn, or you don't watch many snakes eat.. Keep in mind I am not some animal rights activist screaming that the mouse is in pain blah blah blah, and I realize everyone's opinion differs, but why get snide with me when there's 2 very simple facts staring you in the face.

1. Ethics goes both ways, yes the snake evolved to hunt and kill, but so did humans, and believe me i enjoy to hunt, but I really appreciate not having to go through the trouble of the hunt every time, and there's a much less likelihood of that deer injuring me as there is a big toothed rat taking a chunk out of my snake. In the wild every single hunt can end badly for the snake, that's why it's the wild, and captivity is captivity.

2. This one's a little more of a personal belief, but if I were going to be eaten by a large constricter, call my crazy but I would much rather get a night night shot, be out in a minute, and placed in the freezer. Rather than bwing alive and hen the giant serpent decides to bite me, coil me, crush my lungs by compresdion (don't sound quick to me) then finally eat me. Personally, this sounds much more humane to me.

Furthermore I can only point out in my original post I really did NOT want this to be a ft vs live debate, because personally I Dont care what you feed your snake, it's YOUR snake and truthfully I do see some benefits to live. This was more of a "did a pet shop employee really just say a snake eating food was cruelty????" Thread...

Just responding to YOUR original post.
Your words to question eveyones ethics.
You chose to post on a public forum.

Ethics plays a roll in my animal care.
They get better care than myself or my wife because we chose to take on that responsability.
Yes everything from the roach, rat and mice feeders up the dogs, frogs, dragons, chickens and snakes.
I know the responsability for them and I am not ashamed or at a lower standard than someone that chooses to feed frozen.
The biggest difference is not only do I take the time to clean, feed, water and raise my own feeders. I also gas and freeze for locals too.

Again just responding to what you typed and posted.
And Im not debating the what you feed, its the reasoning behind what you are trying to use as justification.

You know, you're right, I chose the wrong wording to be honest with you, "ethical" may really not be the term I meant to convey. In total honesty I really do have respect for someone who breeds their own feeders. Like I said I see benefits, including heath of the feeders, quality (gutloading), and cost and in all honesty, those can be considered "ethical" benefits. I fully intend on breeding fruit flies for some dart frogs I'm considering picking up If I decide to get the frog viv.

Like I said though, I don't really even fully understand myself what I was trying to convey to the girl at petsway. I could see she was young and probably didn't care much for snakes based on her reaction to their food source. so I didn't wanna make a big deal of it in the store, but I had to say something, and I was rather shocked haha. And truthfully the only reason I feed frozen I because I don't want the snake getting bit. I know it's not common, I fed live for 10 years with maybe 5 or 6 bites. Just something I wanted to avoid.

Sorry if I jumped on your back.

there is Nothing more ethical about feeding f/t vs live your delusional if you believe that, every point against live feeding is reliant on the owner being neglectful in the feeding process, as many pointed out in the live vs f/t they have been feeding live as long as they have had snakes and had no issues with prey attacking the snake, infact the cases are rare and most often completly the owners fault. Snakes can just as easily die from a neglectful owner feeding f/t food, snakes internals are extremly sensitive to cold and can easily become damaged by an improperly thawed f/t item and kill the snake.... feed your snake resposibly and you have no worries end of story

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Originally Posted by magicmed

Sorry if I jumped on your back.

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Nothing to be sorry about. Takes more than that to get under this thick skin.

Many people feel bad for the cute little mouse but dont think twice about the roach your dragon just chomped in half. LoL

Its a respect for life and the circle as well as understanding the work it takes to go round.

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Originally Posted by M.P.C

there is Nothing more ethical about feeding f/t vs live your delusional if you believe that, every point against live feeding is reliant on the owner being neglectful in the feeding process, as many pointed out in the live vs f/t they have been feeding live as long as they have had snakes and had no issues with prey attacking the snake, infact the cases are rare and most often completly the owners fault. Snakes can just as easily die from a neglectful owner feeding f/t food, snakes internals are extremly sensitive to cold and can easily become damaged by an improperly thawed f/t item and kill the snake.... feed your snake resposibly and you have no worries end of story

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I'll agree with you, aside from when the snake has coiled the rat, but the rat has enough head and neck movement to sink some teeth in. That is how it happened with sapphire the times she was bitten. it wasn't neglect. Just this time around I wanted to eliminate that risk with loki. That's all. Sorry for my original confusion.

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Originally Posted by magicmed

I considered it, but she looked every bit of 17 or 18, I frequent the shop so I know she's a new employee, I figured she wouldn't last long, but I don't want to be the reason. I did feel it was rather rude though. I wasn't necessarily insulted or anything, but i Just didn't expect it in a pet shop of all places...usually I get "whacha feeding?"

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I get the same "whatchu feedin" response most of the time, no matter who I talk to in either of my local places. One (older) lady, when I first asked where the freezer was (our petsmart is HUUUUUGE) grinned and said, "Ah, looking for some icy micies?" She was so pleased with her nickname for f/t it was adorable and I've started referring to them that way too (even though I feed rats lol)

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Originally Posted by Lizardlicks

I get the same "whatchu feedin" response most of the time, no matter who I talk to in either of my local places. One (older) lady, when I first asked where the freezer was (our petsmart is HUUUUUGE) grinned and said, "Ah, looking for some icy micies?" She was so pleased with her nickname for f/t it was adorable and I've started referring to them that way too (even though I feed rats lol)

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Lol I love it! Icy micies! It's usually an enjoyable experience buying food I get to talk about my pet, answer questions about it, pass on info. after they hear you're feeding a ball python many times it gets them asking questions if they have interest in them. "Are they really as docile as everyone says?" "is it really hard to keep the setup right?" Are questions I've received a lot in the past. Which usually prompts me going on and on lol.