So upset!

I'm so upset right now.

About a week ago my front door broke. I complained to the maintenance in my apartment. Despite being an emergency, as it was very unsafe, it took four days for maintenance to come. They finally came on the forth day. I was asleep but my room mate was up and let the guy in. Without asking, without letting us know, he walked around our home discretely taking pictures of my pets (snakes and bunnies). I didn't know until today.

I get a call today, from some woman in the company saying he sent a bunch of higher-up people in the company all pictures of my home. My pets are well maintained, and despite being a bit cluttered, my home is normal. I have nothing to hide. However, this felt extremely violating. She told me the animals looked "extremely well cared for", but had some concerns that they'd destroy the property. I confirmed they wouldn't, and abruptly made some changes to my rabbit's enclosure to ease her worries/our tension. After making these changes, I called her to let her know. My pets are allowed in my lease. The property has changed hands so many times that a past landlord grandfathered in all of my pets for my own protection. These people are relatively new to owning this property.

I thought all was fine, but then she started asking about my snakes. Long conversation made short, she thinks the rack system is cruel and that they need tons of room to exercise and lots of light. She said she owned snakes as a kid and wonders "how much I let them out for exercise". She has NO IDEA about any BP husbandry. NONE. I explained that the rack held humidity and temperature well, and that my snakes shed and ate better in it. I explained that they are nocturnal. I also explained that I adhere to industry standard as far as my breeding racks go, and that I go a step further by making sure everyone has a hide, a rock or SOMETHING to shed on and for "enrichment". She was like, "okay", but I have a really bad feeling. My snakes are extremely well fed, clean, and healthy, and (as if it matters to them to be held) I handle them almost every day, which I told her. Which is also true. Apparently the maintenance guy is some sort of animal rights guy, and he's pissed that I have pets and that each snake doesn't have like it's own master bedroom (not literally, but thinks they need excessive space). The woman I spoke to supported his photos he took without even asking me. She said "it was his right" and that "I had no right" to be upset.

I have already spoken to a real-estate lawyer, and she said technically it (his photo-shoot) is legal, however unethical and unprofessional it is. I have grounds to terminate my lease early just due to neglecting to fix a broken front door for four days. However, I don't want to leave the place I live in.

This isn't my first instance with maintenance and a huge breach of my comfort/privacy. The first time I called maintenance I was alone with a female friend, and the guy who came in lingered (wouldn't go when the job was done until we basically told him to GTFO sternly) and made really off-color, uncomfortable and semi-aggressive remarks of a predatory nature (about us, our bodies, making gross "jokes", lots of questions about our love lives and way way way too many statements about his) and I complained to the managing company and was completely blown off. Different guy. But I'm beginning to be afraid to call for maintenance. When I mentioned this instance AGAIN today, it was once again blown off, despite feeling like another hugely violating situation. I got a half-hearted "I'll talk to maintenance about it" sort of answer.

I've lived here for four years, through about five different owners/property managers, and never once have I experienced anything like this. I was always on very good terms with my landlord AND the maintenance people, who traditionally have been respectful and interesting in the animals.

I'm so upset. I feel SO violated. My snakes are my world, and I'm more upset about being interrogated about my snakes then what happened the first time maintenance came. I'm in the rabbit community and a lot of people who have excellent husbandry get 'raided' by HRS (rabbit PETA) people, have animals stolen, and spayed/neutered or given away before they can even do anything to fix it. Entire breeding projects have been destroyed by these people. I don't want to be harassed by freaky animal rights people. I don't want to come home to find that this maintenance guy, who has access to keys to my home through the property managers, went in and stole my snakes and released them, or some crazy thing. I feel very uncomfortable with my home being photographed inside and out, without my consent or even knowledge, when I keep a good home, keep my animals well (which the woman agreed with besides her rack concerns!) and would have gladly walked them through and shown them my pets had they asked. I'm not breaking any laws, or my lease, but I have this pit in my stomach that I can't shake. Again, I feel so so so violated and really anxious. Thoughts? Opinions? Support?

Well first, once you snap a photo it is yours. You could see a naked woman across from your window, take a picture and post to FB and the woman has no right to ask you to take it down and if it went to court, she would be thrown out on her face. That is pretty stupid in my opinion and you would think it to be a violation of privacy but it is not considered so.

However, by law no one is to enter your home. In your home it is your rules. If the maintenance guy was there to fix your door only, then he should not have entered to house any further and that is your right as a tenant. If anyone attempts to enter your home without a warrant you have every right to what needs to be done to get that person out of the house. You can even arrest him, call the police and wait for them to arrive. It is called citizens arrest. Google it if you need more information.

They can call the SPCA or PETA all they like but the thing is they cannot forcefully take your animals without consent or a warrant.

Can PETA or the SPCA get a warrant? I know animal control can, but since I'm not breaking state laws and my animals are clean and cared for I'm not as concerned with that, other than feeling violated more. Based on the pictures taken I seriously doubt that they'd even ever bother - they'd have no reason.

AR organizations have an agenda that's conflicting with keeping reptiles. I don't want them near me.

The thing is, no one can enter your house or even take an animal or a child (social services) without a warrant, even then you have right to get them back during a hearing... which i doubt it would come to if you take care of your animals. If your rights as a tenant is being violated, you have every right to cut the lease in half and find a new place.

I'm considering it. :/

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Originally Posted by lunasjy

Well first, once you snap a photo it is yours. You could see a naked woman across from your window, take a picture and post to FB and the woman has no right to ask you to take it down and if it went to court, she would be thrown out on her face.

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Not true at all, she would say she expected a reasonable degree of privacy in her home.

OP within the law you have nothing to worry about, the maintenance guy or even your landlord cannot go in your domain without permission end story. However if you feel he might not follow that particular law, security or moving would be the only effective options I can think of. Sorry you have to be dealing with utter crap.

I do find it funny how she wants to defend his right to photograph. If she wants to exercise rights I wonder how squatter rights work in your area....

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Not true at all, she would say she expected a reasonable degree of privacy in her home.

OP within the law you have nothing to worry about, the maintenance guy or even your landlord cannot go in your domain without permission end story. However if you feel he might not follow that particular law, security or moving would be the only effective options I can think of. Sorry you have to be dealing with utter crap.

I do find it funny how she wants to defend his right to photograph. If she wants to exercise rights I wonder how squatter rights work in your area....

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It is very true. The picture is officially his and can distribute the photo as he pleases. I did not say he entered the home to take pictures of his neighbor. You do not have to believe me but I hear about it all the time.

Either way, if he had the right to stop the photos, he could have if it was the law. This is how evidence works, how photography works.

There is nothing to worry about with your snakes. If you have the pictures, post them here and we can have a better understanding of what to worry about.

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Originally Posted by lunasjy

It is very true. The picture is officially his and can distribute the photo as he pleases. I did not say he entered the home to take pictures of his neighbor. You do not have to believe me but I hear about it all the time.

Either way, if he had the right to stop the photos, he could have if it was the law. This is how evidence works, how photography works.

There is nothing to worry about with your snakes. If you have the pictures, post them here and we can have a better understanding of what to worry about.

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No, it is not true at all. Have you not heard all the news of "revenge porn" sites being destroyed by new laws and law suits? The jist of it is that the subject of an image, whether or not they gave consent of the image being taken, has the right to deny it's distribution. You bet the neighbor would win in court, people are constantly winning these cases.

To the OP; go straight to the management company. You would be surprised at how a proper business will stand up straight and take action when bad publicity rears its ugly head and looks them in the eye. All non monopolized businesses are ultimately at the mercy of reputation, and threatening a lawsuit or action through local real estate agents and listers will get their attention (particularly if you had neighbors with similar stories, the more you can pile at their door the better in this case). The worst thing you can do in this situation is stand by quietly and hope things get better.

By the by if you keep you animals in your our their own room, I think you would be allowed to put a lock on that door. May need to double check your lease, but I don't think they usually cover anything besides the front door. Could be wrong on this, but worth checking in any case.

If this really concerns you, go online and print out one of the billions of brochures there are about ball pythons needing a small amount of space to survive. Talk to your roommate about ASKING YOU before anyone comes in the apartment, as your privacy was breached. Property management companies are only supposed to allow two sets of keys per apartment entry door. Management and the Tennant. The maintenence man should NOT have a key. Only for the building (if you live in a building like that.) I work security and I know how the law works in California at least. If they try to make a case about it to local law enforcement, you can easily claim that they took the pictures without your consent. Any time a management company takes pictures of personal property, they are required to have you sign a "media release". What that guy did was illegal, and I would suggest having an adult conversation with the manager and discuss your concerns. Make a list if you have to. Try not to use the words "legal" or "illegal" as they tend to make people jumpy. Next time you make multiple attempts to contact maintanence with no reply, call the non emergency fire department number. Even if it's a broken door. I worked in an apartment complex where a handicapped woman was locked in the building because the door was jammed. The fire Marshall was not happy. As long as you keeping your snakes is legal for where you live, install a chain lock on your front door. It doesn't require a key and can only be opened from the inside. It's about $3 from home Depot. Also, you can order cheap security cameras online. Find out if your management lives on site, if so, there is NO reason for maintanence to have the key to your home.

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Originally Posted by Running Elk

Can PETA or the SPCA get a warrant? I know animal control can, but since I'm not breaking state laws and my animals are clean and cared for I'm not as concerned with that, other than feeling violated more. Based on the pictures taken I seriously doubt that they'd even ever bother - they'd have no reason.

AR organizations have an agenda that's conflicting with keeping reptiles. I don't want them near me.

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Spca can get a warrant. PETA cannot. Since PETA is a non profit company that generally doesn't work with law enforcement they can't get a warrant, unless they get one through Spca.

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

Spca can get a warrant. PETA cannot. Since PETA is a non profit company that generally doesn't work with law enforcement they can't get a warrant, unless they get one through Spca.

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SPCA still has to go through a judge and present probable cause for a warrant. unless the animals in question are living in such terrible conditions that they're matted with feces and the smell of ammonia smacks you in the face from five feet away from the closed front door I wouldn't worry about it. I seriously doubt your conditions are even in the ballpark for a warrant to be part of the question.

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Originally Posted by Daigga

SPCA still has to go through a judge and present probable cause for a warrant. unless the animals in question are living in such terrible conditions that they're matted with feces and the smell of ammonia smacks you in the face from five feet away from the closed front door I wouldn't worry about it. I seriously doubt your conditions are even in the ballpark for a warrant to be part of the question.

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I doubt you'll have anyone asking to enter your home. :) from what I can tell your animals are being kept just fine. Anyone who wants a warrant needs to go through a judge.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Not true at all, she would say she expected a reasonable degree of privacy in her home.

OP within the law you have nothing to worry about, the maintenance guy or even your landlord cannot go in your domain without permission end story. However if you feel he might not follow that particular law, security or moving would be the only effective options I can think of. Sorry you have to be dealing with utter crap.

I do find it funny how she wants to defend his right to photograph. If she wants to exercise rights I wonder how squatter rights work in your area....

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If I'm not mistaken, if a person manages to live somewhere for a certain amount of time, squatting or not, they become legal residents. And they require 30 days to vacate. Even if someone else owns the property. Lots of squatters around here. It's insane.

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There is nothing to worry about with your snakes. If you have the pictures, post them here and we can have a better understanding of what to worry about.

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I actually do not have the pictures nor was I shown the pictures in question. I know the rabbits and the rack were photographed, but not details or the amount of pictures. The rabbit pen was cleaned a couple days prior, as were the snakes.

Maybe I should have asked to see the photos in question? I'm not sure it matters; he couldn't have caught anything incriminating on camera because there was nothing incriminating to begin with as far as husbandry. I guess my only concern is that I have over 20 snakes and a herd of 5 elderly nuetered house rabbits (litter trained). I worry that the amount of snakes will be questioned.

I probably shouldn't worry. I've been reading up on laws and pretty much most laws here are in reference to cats and dogs specifically, such as the amount you can have within the city. Small animals/reptiles don't seem to have an amount, and only bad husbandry or abuse would be considered as grounds to send animal control. So I'm probably fine. The only thing that could happen is that my lease could not be renewed, which sucks because I like my actual apartment.

There has got to be something that would get those photos thrown out in court should they need be. But lawyers are vampires when it comes to legal help. You'd probably save money at that point starting a collection over :(

When it comes to some chicken stuff like a maintanence man snooping, I'd make some problems for both my land owners and maintanence guy. Tell your lords o' the land you have some missing valuables after the maintenance man left :gj: Even better, find some more stuff for this jerk to fix. Be over his ass like ugly on ape for every move he makes in your apartment.

I'm seriously pissed off for you right now.

I too am super ticked for you. I would personally make a huge stink with the parent management company if there is one. And if no results, move.

Something people may not realize but which I think you indicated you know about is that these crazy :cens0r:... People, some of them don't care what's legal. I fight as much as I can against PETA because there are cases of them stealing and killing peoples pets just because they're :cens0r: and they think they have a right to.

For me personally I would take something like this VERY seriously. And anyone doing anything against my animals is in for a wild ride. People would take any of my pets literally over my dead body... Heeeeeeck no. Unless there is a way you can use locks or something to keep them safe, I'd consider leaving.

SnakeBalls, my friend suggested reporting something missing also. I'm kind of hoping this will just go away, but should it not that's just one more thing I can do.

Anicatgirl, I'm really pissed. Right now these people are the parent managing company. I've conplained numerous times. Every time I call I'm talking to a new individual, but somehow every person I call is extremely rude. During the door fiasco one woman reemed me out for having to go to school and take an exam (I'm about to graduate with my BA if outside stress doesn't give me an aneurism first) instead of being home to wait for the guy to come fix the door. I told her I'd be gone for an hour but then I'd be back for a 3 hour window. According to her he could drop by any time and I need to sit around and wait all day for him (which I did the two days before resulting in a no show both times) She told me I needed to "get my priorities strait". I asked her if she seriously tbought I ahould miss my exam and fail the course and subsequently have to pay another $7000 (which I pay for myself) to take another semester, just on the off chance that maybe on this third day mainanance might show up. She stammered but still said yes. This coming from a woman who answers phones at an awful company for a living. Which is fine, my job is plenty humbling too, but I just arrive at people's door with a pizza and a smile, not career counseling and life advice to think about over thier greasy overpriced food. Needless to say, I was super super mad. I conplained and got blown off. EVERYONE is so rude. But unlike the previous companies, this one is huge and getting to the big boss, whoever he or she might be, has been impossible. With the previous companies I had the big boss' number because all of the tenents had it...or when you called the office the main manager or owner got back to you. I never complained before (I'm not picky about small stuff, I live in a very inexpensive place and take it with a grain of salt gratefully), I've never been made uncomfortable or mistreated, my pets were always allowed unquestionably, I've never ever been late on a payment...this whole experience is bizarre and I'm not really sure who to talk to in this company. I'm also a bit afraid to make a bigger stink, because I don't want it to somehow bite me down the road. I can only imagine that to have a HUGE staff that is all very rude to the degree that they are, the person hiring them must be a peice of work himself/herself.

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Didn't read all the posts so if I repeat what has already been said, im sorry. With that being said, The owners of the building can call AC and tell them they feel the animals are being kept in deplorable conditions which would then spark off that whole deal. Also you don't want the ASPCA getting involved as they are one of the major players who advocate AGAINST exotic pet ownership like snakes. So this would probably fuel up your local ASPCA and get them all going. Also you never know people, they could say "omg they can carry diseases like salmonella or pose a health or safety risk to small children" yada yada. That is why I don't openly advertise owning snakes even though I own my own home. Out of sight, out of mind as far as im concerned when it comes to people. Not that you openly advertised the snakes. And I thought a landlord could enter an apt if there was some sort of emergency like your water line broke and it was flooding the apt below or if there is smoke or a fire or some other reason to think there is danger. Regardless it sucks as they have loads of money they can throw at a lawyer who WILL find some loophole. My advice would be start looking for a new place just incase, one that allows snakes. I mean all you got is beepers which are 5' at max. I mean its not like you got boas or retics. Anyways good luck.

They aren't in deplorable conditions, though. Not even close. Even the lady I talked to said they looked "extremely well cared for".

But yeah, I never openly advertise my pets. That's the problem, he just sort of took the pictures without consent.

Hmmm pondering for you. Do you have your rental agreement for your apartment?

This is the Virginia Residential Landlord and Tenant Act. Has some helpful legal links on it too.

http://www.dhcd.virginia.gov/Homeles...t_Handbook.pdf

http://real-estate-law.freeadvice.co...it_privacy.htm

I dunno how much this will help but if you get ahold maybe of some legal advice (free I hope, you might find someone sympathetic to your cause) they could advise you about the picture situation. That seems like an invasion of privacy to me. I would flip if someone came to fix my appt and took pics of my home, anything in it. Could look like oh IDK, someone scoping your place for thievery, one could say. NOT OK.

Please keep us updated.

If I didn't think your neighbours might dislike snakes, I'd say tell them and get them all involved in trying to get the maintence guy fired. Any chance any would side with you?

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Originally Posted by anicatgirl

Hmmm pondering for you. Do you have your rental agreement for your apartment?

This is the Virginia Residential Landlord and Tenant Act. Has some helpful legal links on it too.

http://www.dhcd.virginia.gov/Homeles...t_Handbook.pdf

http://real-estate-law.freeadvice.co...it_privacy.htm

I dunno how much this will help but if you get ahold maybe of some legal advice (free I hope, you might find someone sympathetic to your cause) they could advise you about the picture situation. That seems like an invasion of privacy to me. I would flip my **** if someone came to fix my appt and took pics of my home, anything in it. Could look like oh IDK, someone scoping your place for thievery, one could say. NOT OK.

Please keep us updated.

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Calling a lawyer was one of the first things I did. She said I had grounds to terminate the lease for the front door fiasco, but as for the pictures, despite being wrong, it's legal. Or at least legally grey with an almost guarantee for the judge to side with the landlord. Landlords are allowed to take photographs of property damage assessment, which is how they presented this whole thing and how they'd go about it with no legal repercussion. So even if that's not the motive, they said it was and therefore it's legally okay apparently.

My lease is highly personalized. It's very specific yet very vague. It allows me to have my pets undisputedly, but is vague as in it lists no species or numbers. Simply that no one can come in and make me get rid of them or terminate my lease. It's vague in my favor.

Just remember the same thing I remind people of every time I see a post like this.
Ultimately its not your property, yes you have rights but in the end is it worth all the trouble?
I know you said there is a lot covered in your lease and it is good that you know this, many people here have no clue whats in theirs.

That being said, if you want to be able to do what you want when you want in your own home, own one.

You might also want to check you maintenance regulations too. There are a couple apartments here that require their team to walk the unit any time they are called out to check for other damage. They view it as preventative maintenance.

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Originally Posted by carolineleven

If I didn't think your neighbours might dislike snakes, I'd say tell them and get them all involved in trying to get the maintence guy fired. Any chance any would side with you?

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I have one set of neighbors I really like. They may not want to get involved though. I do plan on asking them how they feel about this company and if anything bizarre has happened to them.

I live in a poor neighborhood because it's cheap, but also isolated and doesn't have a lot of really sketchy traffic: it's a strangely safe neighborhood tucked away behind a college. However, there are issues with tenants (some of my neighbors) who don't/cannot pay rent, people that move in and just leave because they can't afford it, and people who do fairly benign illegal activities on their homes. These things don't harm anyone non-consenting and don't harm me, so I don't personally care. But it baffles me that I, one of their older and most reliable tenants, is being theoretically put under fire. The more I read about illegal animal seizures done by AR people the more I feel ill.

As if it's not bad enough, my state is home to the PETA headquarters.

On the flip side, it's looking like (from what I've found researching) most animal seizures that DO happen in my state are for truly worthy cases; actual undisputed neglect and abuse. They say VA is pretty lax/reasonable about animal laws.

I'm really hoping this just goes away. I fixed the concern they had for damaged property, I really hope that was the main concern. I feel like her stating that she the animals looked "extremely well cared for" is a less than bad sign. My house is not the tidiest, but it's by no means super messy either. My animals have a tidier space than I do; I keep them, especially the snakes, pristine. I clearly have the financial capabilities to take care of my pets, and my pets all get vet care and the best food I can buy (I'm a nut about animal nutrition, my dog eats the best food readily available). So I'm really hoping there won't be some kind of issue.

My fear of course is, AR people are dishonest and not fueled by logic, but rather an agenda that would like to see my (or anyone's) snakes and rabbits euthanized over being in a loving home.

I really am probably jumping the gun hugely on all of this. God, I just feel so violated, I can't shake the discomfort of it. I think that's what's driving all of these irrational fears and conclusions; I just feel so violated and therefore unsafe. I have a SERIOUS anxiety disorder, and this situation has caused me immeasurable stress and distress. Privacy equals a sense of safety and security to me; having it violated is seriously troubling to my psyche. Feeling safe, secure, and stable are vital to my mental health, and that's one reason I've stayed here and not moved in the past; it's traditionally been relaxed and worked with me and my pets very readily and kindly. I don't feel safe, secure, or stable right now; I'm worried I'm going to be "punished" in some way (even if it's just not having my lease renewed and given only 30 days to figure it out, and my lease lapses my finals week, so that's an entirely new level of stress and worrying), I feel like if I seek maintenance I have to be afraid that they'll send some creep who will either antagonize my pets or make lewd remarks, and I don't feel secure because I'm living in stress having to deal with all of this. It's all very disturbing to me. Because of my lease this shouldn't be a discussion I have to have with them.

Former landlady in VA chiming in here. First things first:

- Don't worry about anyone from AC showing up, most don't know jack-all about reptiles and won't respond even if they're being kept in deplorable conditions. While AC is fine with cute, fuzzy, and livestock, anything with scales or feathers is often outside of their knowledge (and budget).

- You are not in breach of your lease so there's nothing the management company can do other than not renew it or have you sign a new one with more restrictions on animals when it terminates. Is there an end date on your lease, or are you month-to-month? And if they do come up with a new lease and you don't want to sign it, you will still have 30 days to move out after you are given written notice that they are terminating the old one, they can't just start eviction proceedings with no notice.

- The pictures are legal, you called for maintenance and your roommate let the guy in. He had a legal right to be in the apartment and you can take pics of whatever you please as long as you're not doing something else like trespassing. So, you can stand on a public street or sidewalk and take pics of your naked neighbor in the window, but you can't sneak up to the window on the neighbor's property and do it.

- Virginia is a "one party" state with respect to recording phone calls. I regularly recorded mine (and still do now that I run a business, for my reference, as it's legal in WV also). That little recorder has saved me thousands over the years when dealing with slimey contractors, vendors, and customers. I would record any future interactions with the property management company as I've yet to deal with one that wasn't slimey if not downright crooked.

Another note - if the property management's concern is with damage, if/when you do move out make sure you take a lot of pictures or even video the final walk-through so that "damage" doesn't suddenly show up after you move out.

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Former landlady in VA chiming in here. First things first:

- Don't worry about anyone from AC showing up, most don't know jack-all about reptiles and won't respond even if they're being kept in deplorable conditions. While AC is fine with cute, fuzzy, and livestock, anything with scales or feathers is often outside of their knowledge (and budget).

- You are not in breach of your lease so there's nothing the management company can do other than not renew it or have you sign a new one with more restrictions on animals when it terminates. Is there an end date on your lease, or are you month-to-month? And if they do come up with a new lease and you don't want to sign it, you will still have 30 days to move out after you are given written notice that they are terminating the old one, they can't just start eviction proceedings with no notice.

- The pictures are legal, you called for maintenance and your roommate let the guy in. He had a legal right to be in the apartment and you can take pics of whatever you please as long as you're not doing something else like trespassing. So, you can stand on a public street or sidewalk and take pics of your naked neighbor in the window, but you can't sneak up to the window on the neighbor's property and do it.

- Virginia is a "one party" state with respect to recording phone calls. I regularly recorded mine (and still do now that I run a business, for my reference, as it's legal in WV also). That little recorder has saved me thousands over the years when dealing with slimey contractors, vendors, and customers. I would record any future interactions with the property management company as I've yet to deal with one that wasn't slimey if not downright crooked.

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Thank you for your input. Honestly it was a great thing to wake up to and see before class. I feel a little better.

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Originally Posted by Running Elk

They aren't in deplorable conditions, though. Not even close. Even the lady I talked to said they looked "extremely well cared for".

But yeah, I never openly advertise my pets. That's the problem, he just sort of took the pictures without consent.

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Oh im not saying they are in any way deplorable or you are taking care of them bad. I'm just saying that could be a tactic underhanded people could use just to draw attention to the circumstance.

I would get the guy fired. I wouldn't complain or anything, but I would say he keeps trying to sell me drugs and always stops me when he sees me. Though that may give him motives to steal your snakes. Best to avoid him or if he has to come back then follow him and when he starts snapping photos start snapping phones/tell him to leave.


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Originally Posted by Citrus

I would get the guy fired. I wouldn't complain or anything, but I would say he keeps trying to sell me drugs and always stops me when he sees me. Though that may give him motives to steal your snakes. Best to avoid him or if he has to come back then follow him and when he starts snapping photos start snapping phones/tell him to leave.


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If the goal is to get him fired, I would take the route of complaining about the things he actually did do. Lying to get someone's job taken away isn't something anyone should be comfortable with.

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Originally Posted by lunasjy

It is very true. The picture is officially his and can distribute the photo as he pleases. I did not say he entered the home to take pictures of his neighbor. You do not have to believe me but I hear about it all the time.

Either way, if he had the right to stop the photos, he could have if it was the law. This is how evidence works, how photography works.

There is nothing to worry about with your snakes. If you have the pictures, post them here and we can have a better understanding of what to worry about.

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Not that this has to do with the OP's situation... but I see this internet rumor a lot "If you can see it, you can shoot it"

The law says differently http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/privacy...s_Sections.htm

The phrase I see get mentioned a lot is expectation of privacy, I'm not sure where it comes from, but it is a defence that wins most of the time, obviously depending on the situation. It doesn't matter if it is taken on public or private property. but you can see your situation breaks many parts of the law, regardless of the expectation of privacy.

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Originally Posted by Citrus

I would get the guy fired. I wouldn't complain or anything, but I would say he keeps trying to sell me drugs and always stops me when he sees me. Though that may give him motives to steal your snakes. Best to avoid him or if he has to come back then follow him and when he starts snapping photos start snapping phones/tell him to leave.

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Slander (btw illegal) after you would have a clear motive for doing it.... bout the worst advise I've heard in a while.

If you don't want him taking pictures, all you have to do is tell him he cannot take pictures. From everything I have read, it is a private residence, you can do that.

Honestly OP, what is done is done, take a deep breath and forget about the moron. I don't see why anything else would come from this.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Oh im not saying they are in any way deplorable or you are taking care of them bad. I'm just saying that could be a tactic underhanded people could use just to draw attention to the circumstance.

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No, I understood what you meant. And I agree. To AR people, having pets = deplorable.

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Originally Posted by Citrus

I would get the guy fired. I wouldn't complain or anything, but I would say he keeps trying to sell me drugs and always stops me when he sees me. Though that may give him motives to steal your snakes. Best to avoid him or if he has to come back then follow him and when he starts snapping photos start snapping phones/tell him to leave.

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I cannot even believe someone would post something this stupid!!!!
How funny is it going to be when karma comes into your place of employment?

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I cannot even believe someone would post something this stupid!!!!
How funny is it going to be when karma comes into your place of employment?

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Lol i would hope OP wouldn't actually do it. I'm just pointing out that I would also be upset if it happened to me. I said what I would actually do though.

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Originally Posted by Citrus

Best to avoid him or if he has to come back then follow him and when he starts snapping photos start snapping phones/tell him to leave.


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And the "snapping phones" was also not meant to be serious. I should think more about some of my posts.


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