A very special snake

I've been putting off posting this for a while. This snake popped out of the egg july 2014 here. Sire is a fire bee, dame super pastel het g stripe. Nothing special, right?

I have no idea what he is. Please forgive cell phone photos.

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Killer bee fire paradox? Why is he black and white along the whole back then? It's almost like it is axanthic there, but there are blotches of color here and there of orange and golden yellow? Something else going on?

He's cool as hell that's for sure

He is beautiful, that's for sure.

He looks like an atomic, though I don't know anything about it other than what it looks like and that it's a recessive gene. More likely he's just a way cool paradox. Are you holding this one back?

Really nice, sweet looking animal.

Yes, I am holding him back. In fact I am one of those guys who holds everything back, even normal males, LOL!

Atomic, eh? He's definitely got spider in him, that I know. So, atomic spider, possibly with super pastel and fire?

The sire fire bee was mike wilbanks stock, and he's the one who made atomic first. But the dame was from somewhere else entirely. Neither sire nor dame were advertised as het for atomic. Anyone else got any idea?

Mike Wilbanks produces strictly quality morphs! That sire must be smoking! It does appear to be fire paradox. Maybe fire killer paradox? Lol. Congratulations, potm candidate for sure!:gj:

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Originally Posted by hungba

Yes, I am holding him back. In fact I am one of those guys who holds everything back, even normal males, LOL!

Atomic, eh? He's definitely got spider in him, that I know. So, atomic spider, possibly with super pastel and fire?

The sire fire bee was mike wilbanks stock, and he's the one who made atomic first. But the dame was from somewhere else entirely. Neither sire nor dame were advertised as het for atomic. Anyone else got any idea?

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I would say it's possible, but not extremely likely. The head looks kind of like the other atomic animals I've seen, but the only way to know for sure is to try and breed him to prove it out. No harm in messaging Mike Wilbanks to ask if there's any possible way the sire came from any atomic combos, but it's still a long shot. Atomic or paradox, he's still a stunning snake.

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Mike Wilbanks produces strictly quality morphs! That sire must be smoking! It does appear to be fire paradox. Maybe fire killer paradox? Lol. Congratulations, potm candidate for sure!:gj:

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It obviously has spider though. How can I tell if it has pastel or superpastel?

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Originally Posted by Daigga

I would say it's possible, but not extremely likely. The head looks kind of like the other atomic animals I've seen, but the only way to know for sure is to try and breed him to prove it out. No harm in messaging Mike Wilbanks to ask if there's any possible way the sire came from any atomic combos, but it's still a long shot. Atomic or paradox, he's still a stunning snake.

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What about all the other stuff? I know it's not just spider paradox or spider atomic. I seen pics of spider atmomics they are not white on the back like that at all. The paradox/atomic or whatever is going on is making it hard to determine the other genes. I know it's more than just spider.

As for mike wilbanks, I doubt I can ask him because he has so many snakes sometimes the possible hets probably get lost in the pile after a few generations. Plus I bought the sire years ago and through someone else, (he sells via a distributor here) I can't identify the specific snake to him anyway.

By the way, the dame was corey woods' stock. I don't see any reference to atomics on his site, but you never know.

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Originally Posted by hungba

What about all the other stuff? I know it's not just spider paradox or spider atomic. I seen pics of spider atmomics they are not white on the back like that at all. The paradox/atomic or whatever is going on is making it hard to determine the other genes. I know it's more than just spider.

As for mike wilbanks, I doubt I can ask him because he has so many snakes sometimes the possible hets probably get lost in the pile after a few generations. Plus I bought the sire years ago and through someone else, (he sells via a distributor here) I can't identify the specific snake to him anyway.

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If you had the sire's identification number he should be able to tell you, but if not than nevermind about asking him. I don't see a lot of the blushing within the pattern you would see in a super pastel, so my best guess would be that he's a fire bee. A lot of the images on WOBP of the fire bee are from wilbanks, and his seem to come out very black and white over the usual yellows, so that kind of explains his contrast. I'm just not seeing the super pastel, though.

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Originally Posted by hungba

It obviously has spider though. How can I tell if it has pastel or superpastel?

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I would just email a pic to Mike and a message asking him to help you with a classification. I don't think that's too much to ask him. He is always willing to help. Won't hurt to try and you might get surprised! Good luck.:gj:

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very nice!

hope this turns into a progression thread.:please:

for me it s not a killer but a bee, possibly fire. for the atomic gene: i don t know. by the way i know why it s a hold back

What do you mean you know why he is hold back?

I will try to ask mike wilbanks or some other breeder who has dealt with atomic I can also breed him back to the dame to prove him out.

Looks like a firebee paradox imo. Interesting to say the least good luck with this pairing again! [emoji106]

Incredible! That is definitely a special and unique ball python!