Not Able to know the correct Gene

hi i just purchase this ballpython

but im confuse to know her Gene or morph name
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Looks like a Lesser or Butter.
What did the seller tell you it was?

@pitontheprowl the seller have lot of ball python and doesnt know

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

@pitontheprowl the seller have lot of ball python and doesnt know

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If the seller doesnt know then you REALLY need to find someone that does.
I would not buy from any breeder that didn't know what he/she had.
SHM

Whatever it is, it's a nice looking snake. Especially given the stripe down it's back. Is the line fairly straight and uninterrupted?

Looks a lot like a Nuclear (Lesser Fire). I agree with not buying any thing from a "breeder" who has no clue what they're doing.

SO much work and money goes into breeding ball pythons and making a business of selling them that the people doing it MUST have, at the very least, a very decent idea of what genes they're working with and what those genetic combos look like. Even someone not into breeding, but just buying and selling for a profit would have to know what they're buying in order to know how to make a decent profit.

A guy with that many high-dollar morphs and no idea what they are?? Screams stolen snakes to me. :(

hehehe correct but now i buy it and she is in my home with my collection i want to know what her gene

That is a Nuclear (Butter/Lesser x Fire).

I'm guessing you either bought a stolen snake, or bought from a flipper. Please link us to their ads ;)

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

hehehe correct but now i buy it and she is in my home with my collection i want to know what her gene

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So...you knowingly bought a stolen snake and you don't care? So far as I'm concerned, that's as bad as being the thief yourself. Someone out there had their HOME or building broken into and years worth of work and money, not to mention the emotional attachment to live animals, STOLEN from them....and you're gleeful about getting one of them into your collection???

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

hehehe correct but now i buy it and she is in my home with my collection i want to know what her gene

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As above, does this mean you know the snake was stolen? If so, why would you post up on a traceable forum for help?

Or,

There is a slight language barrier and you meant "hehehe" in response to something entirely different.

This isn't the first time you've admitted the seller doesn't know what they have.

With the information you've given, I agree with these snakes probably being stolen, since there is absolutely no way that a breeder or even a flipper wouldn't have some kind of idea about what they had. If that's the case here, you should know that buying stolen goods, depending on the value of those goods, can be a felony offense (depending on state, between 250-500$ seems to be the divider between misdemeanor and felony). For the person actually stealing the animals, a felony also looks pretty likely, depending on how they came to have them (burglary is usually a felony, but that also varies from state to state). Ask yourself this; are you willing to pay thousands of dollars in fines and possibly even jail time for these snakes?

At the very least, you need to find a different seller.

Wth did I just read?

You bought a snake without knowing what it was from someone who doesn't know what it was? I hope you overpaid by a few grand lol. Jesus.

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

hehehe correct but now i buy it and she is in my home with my collection i want to know what her gene

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Lets hope that you only brought her home and she doesnt have any gifts that will keep giving.

You really need to find a higher class of people to deal with as well as learn how to take care of your collection.

The level of suspicion in this person's posts (the other threads as well) is unreal. If they won't cooperate with questions around who was selling these, etc. can we just ban them? I don't like the idea of IDing a snake in this kind of circumstance so someone can benefit from another person's loss. Look at the other posts - these didn't just fall into someone's lap. Even a flipper would know what they are (coral glow in another post) because they are flipping FOR PROFIT so they wouldn't buy something not knowing what it is or how much it's potentially worth. The other option is that the OP stole them, hehehe, and are now looking to ID them to sell them off before they get caught. Either way I think there is some detective work to be done here and if the OP won't cooperate this is not the type of person I'd like to see getting help on the forum.

the thing that i want know from who have experience what is her gene , i dont know why they start say stolen and give some different subjuct

only my question can anybody know what her gene i get surprise and laught by heheh of the user answer

Are you putting your native language through a translator? What you said barely makes any sense.

I get the feeling that OP's first language is not english and probably doesn't live in the states. It is possible that wherever they might be, their breeding practices are different and they come across bp morphs that they have trouble identifying, or just simply don't know the english name of the morph.

I don't know why everyone is jumping to stolen. Has anyone reported this snake missing? Has there been any major theft of someones collection recently?

With out you knowing what is what for sure still doesnt help you down the road if you plan to breed.
That will in turn make you just as bad and whoever you are buying from.
There isnt a way to even give you a value idea either.

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

the thing that i want know from who have experience what is her gene , i dont know why they start say stolen and give some different subjuct

only my question can anybody know what her gene i get surprise and laught by heheh of the user answer

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Why don't you ask the person who produced the snake or is selling it? This is the 4 or 5th threads and it's a lot of animals that are apparently mysteries to you and the seller, even flippers have an idea of what they are selling and being from another country does not explain the ignorance on the seller's part either :confuzd:

Maybe before buying from an ignorant source you should do some research yourself and become knowledgeable, that's what people usually do, they buy animal once they are capable of identifying them, otherwise that sounds like the perfect recipe for being taken advantage of and it's also not gonna help your future endeavors.

Sorry but by the amount of threads you have started not knowing the morph and stating the seller had lots of pythons and did not know the morph, I question the legality of true ownership of these animals.
Even flippers (resellers) know more or less what they have or they wouldn't be very good at what they do.
This only leads to some poor sod having his beloved snakes stolen and passed on to someone just as ignorant regarding the species and probably just got them all at an amazing price with "no questions asked"
I do hope whoever is missing these animals does not stumble across this community and recognise any of these, for your sake.

I SERIOUSLY feel like this is some sort of spam account or a thief or something. He asked about the morph of a snake and it was clearly a genetic stripe. Someone that owns ball pythons and buys them should know the morph of their snake. Smh. If this continues, are the mods allowed to ban him? I'm getting a bad feeling from this guy but without proof, I can't accuse him of anything.

Well as beginner i should ask about all morphs expecting a help from the professional some dumb thoughts that a thief or spam i would like to inform those people im active here and this is my collection just know that i know and i have knowledge with ball python but few of morphs i cannot know it by looking and from who i buy it he is a seller a not for ball pythons

at the end im not here to hear this words im here to learn from this Professional gentel people .this the proof

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that wat is the subject and i ask
to know because different people say different gene , butter fire , lesser fire , nuclear ? wat is correct name will be the pics in World of ballpythons program Wob

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

that wat is the subject and i ask
to know because different people say different gene , butter fire , lesser fire , nuclear ? wat is correct name will be the pics in World of ballpythons program Wob

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If you knew your posterior anatomy from a hole in the ground, you could figure it out on your own.

Do you know what a Butter/Lesser is? Do you know what makes up a Nuclear? I'm guessing no on either front.

Cool banner mrballpythons. Those your snakes used in the pictures? :D

This makes me wonder the honesty being told here and I am definitely going to be more skeptical if there is another post asking about a snake. Definately buy from better breeders or stop stealing snakes. I'm not accusing but this is very suspicious

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

Well as beginner i should ask about all morphs expecting a help from the professional some dumb thoughts that a thief or spam i would like to inform those people im active here and this is my collection just know that i know and i have knowledge with ball python but few of morphs i cannot know it by looking and from who i buy it he is a seller a not for ball pythons

at the end im not here to hear this words im here to learn from this Professional gentel people .this the proof

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As a beginner you should probably learn the morphs and basic genetics before purchasing all these snakes. And start buying from a breeder who knows the morphs of what he's selling, that way you'll know what morph it is.

But yeah, this guy and this entire thread is making me a bit suspicious and nervous.


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I'm thinking that he's just a daft teenager having some fun with you all . :)

Here is the reason you are getting accusations of stealing/buying a stolen animal. JLC said:

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Originally Posted by JLC

SO much work and money goes into breeding ball pythons and making a business of selling them that the people doing it MUST have, at the very least, a very decent idea of what genes they're working with and what those genetic combos look like. Even someone not into breeding, but just buying and selling for a profit would have to know what they're buying in order to know how to make a decent profit.

A guy with that many high-dollar morphs and no idea what they are?? Screams stolen snakes to me. :(

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To which you replied:

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Originally Posted by mrballpythons

hehehe correct but now i buy it and she is in my home with my collection i want to know what her gene

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Indicating that not only is the snake stolen, you are totally aware of it and gloating about it. Maybe you misinterpreted due to a language barrier, but in the future, please DO NOT purchase a snake from a person who can't tell you the morphs themselves. If they didn't produce the snake, or are unable to tell you who did, they are bad news and shouldn't get any of your money.

It's clear that english is not this person's first language. Anyone who has had experience trying to communicate with someone from a different culture and language should know how there can be quite a bit of misunderstanding and awkward (sometimes funny) conversations.

If I were buying ball python morphs to breed, I would definitely care to know what the morph is I'm buying. However, if I were buying ball pythons simply because I want a really cool looking pet ball python that doesn't look like the average ball python, I wouldn't care what the morph is. As long as it's health, cool looking (to me), shows no signs of neglect or abuse, AND I trust the seller, I'd probably buy it.

Heck, I adopted a cool looking cornsnake and I still don't know what morph it is.. I think it was a butter??

TLDR:
1 - refine your questions and try harder to understand the OP, as english does not appear to be his first language.
2 - mrballpythons - if you're looking for ball python morphs, buy from a breeder, not the person who is showing you these snakes :gj:. for your own good!

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It's clear that english is not this person's first language. Anyone who has had experience trying to communicate with someone from a different culture and language should know how there can be quite a bit of misunderstanding and awkward (sometimes funny) conversations.

If I were buying ball python morphs to breed, I would definitely care to know what the morph is I'm buying. However, if I were buying ball pythons simply because I want a really cool looking pet ball python that doesn't look like the average ball python, I wouldn't care what the morph is. As long as it's health, cool looking (to me), shows no signs of neglect or abuse, AND I trust the seller, I'd probably buy it.

Heck, I adopted a cool looking cornsnake and I still don't know what morph it is.. I think it was a butter??

TLDR:
1 - refine your questions and try harder to understand the OP, as english does not appear to be his first language.
2 - mrballpythons - if you're looking for ball python morphs, buy from a breeder, not the person who is showing you these snakes :gj:. for your own good!

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I got the impression that the guy had bought loads of Royals/ Balls , all unknown morphs , is that not the case ?

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I got the impression that the guy had bought loads of Royals/ Balls , all unknown morphs , is that not the case ?

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I don't know if he bought all of them, but he did have a couple posts with multiple pictures of snakes asking, "what's this one? How about these?" claiming the seller wasn't able to give him any info on the genetics of ANY of the snakes, which at the very least makes the seller highly suspicious and bad news.

Listen up, those of you who are buying this b/s that English isn't is first language....come on! Hes got you all fooled! He knows damn well how to speak just fine. He is using the "language barrier" as an excuse to get you guys to keep talking to him and to answer his questions about his stolen snakes. Dont be fooled anymore!

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Originally Posted by supamyk

Listen up, those of you who are buying this b/s that English isn't is first language....come on! Hes got you all fooled! He knows damn well how to speak just fine. He is using the "language barrier" as an excuse to get you guys to keep talking to him and to answer his questions about his stolen snakes. Dont be fooled anymore!

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to the people accusing this guy of deliberately using poor grammar/bad English as a rouse to mascaraed his operation as stolen snake acquirer yall are nuts.

If you go back to his older posts http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...le-Bee-Feeding

where he is not talking about unknown morphs but about feeding issues. you can clearly see his english is still horrible. this tells me multiple things.

1. his english is bad and not likely his native tongue. he has multiple misspellings that are sounded out phonetically but not spelled correctly. simple ones that 4 year olds know such as sayd and hamester (said hamster). look at the way he structures his sentences.

2. A thief would make a throwaway account not use an account. if this was done maliciously

I think he either bought several snakes from someone on CL whom may or may not of stolen them, maybe they inherited them? people die all the time lol who knows. there clearly isnt enough evidence to accuse the guy of faking his bad english or being a thief. take a few minutes and research i was able to pull up his instagram and other accounts linked to him easily and could tell he wasnt malicious

I think the OP has given up on this thread.

I'd like to clarify a couple things, for those still interested enough to follow this. First, I did not accuse him of stealing snakes or even mean to imply that he might have. My original thought was that the SELLER of the animals had very likely stolen them or gotten them through some other illicit means, for reasons that have already been pointed out. When the OP replied with an affirmative answer and a laugh, that's when I thought something was wrong on that side of the table as well. Maybe cultural/language barriers muddied the waters and maybe I moved to a wrong conclusion.

As for the legitimacy of the language barrier, I do think it's legit. The OP is from another country, and probably the only member we've ever had from that country. Certainly the only one I'm aware of. I won't say where because the OP has never said and for whatever reasons, may not want it known. But he's definitely not in the US and not buying anything off of Craigslist. I'd be surprised if they even have anything remotely like CL where he's from.

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Originally Posted by JLC

As for the legitimacy of the language barrier, I do think it's legit. The OP is from another country, and probably the only member we've ever had from that country. Certainly the only one I'm aware of. I won't say where because the OP has never said and for whatever reasons, may not want it known. But he's definitely not in the US and not buying anything off of Craigslist. I'd be surprised if they even have anything remotely like CL where he's from.

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Some people forget or don't know what we can see. :gj: