JCP vs. BRB activity level question

Hello folks,

I am considering picking up a new snake at the next Atlanta show (at the end of the month) and not knowing what they'll have available, I want to keep my options open, that said, among other snakes (namely STP), I am considering either a JCP or a BRB. From my research, it seems both have similar care, feeding, and housing requirements. Both are also partially arboreal, which I like.

My question for you guys that own them, is which is more active / out more, which has more "personality", and which tends to tame down easier? Of my current snakes, I enjoy my BCA the most, so if one or the other tends to have a more boa-like temperament, that would probably be the one I pick.

Thanks, as always, for your time and input!

I can only speak for the BRB as I haven't owned any of the other species. As babies and juveniles they tend to hide, while my adults are more likely to be out and about. My male in particular is very much a display snake, and the only time he disappears is for a few days into his warm side hide after eating. Otherwise he's either on top of a hide or draped along the front of his enclosure.

Babies can be nippy but settle right down with consistent handling. My adults are easy to handle.

My BRB is in the "Nippy" side as well, sure he'll calm his sassy little self with some age tho.


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Hey Artgecko,,, is your BCA from Tom McCarthy?

I was in the same spot you were, I have a beautiful male Barranquilla boa constrictor from Rio Bravo lines and I feel he is pretty active and I find him climbing and perching a lot. He's an excellent snake.

I just bought a coastal/jungle carpet python female at an expo a little bit ago.

They seem to be even more into climbing and perching. I'd say they are more active in general than boa constrictors, but I don't know about BRBs. I'd venture to guess carpets would be more active judging by the BRB's I've seen, but again, I've never owned one.

The only other snakes I've ever considered outside of another BC were carpets, Eastern kings or a SD retic.

I think I made the right choice with the carpet. You can get a pretty long snake without the huge girth when going carpet.

http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01340.jpg

They are very hardy as well. Aussie snakes are worth looking into!

Thanks for your feedback BCR, the activity level you describe is close to what I was assuming a BRB would have. It is good to know that most tame down pretty well too.

Gio- yes he is from Tom McCarthy (whom I highly recommend). He is almost 4 feet now and is a blast to handle. I like the idea of adding a snake that will be a little longer than him at adulthood, but not put on as much weight as a boa.

I like the looks of both the BRB and JCPs, which is why it is so hard to choose. I would like to eventually keep both, but am not sure my husband would be cool with that... especially considering that I'd eventually also like to add a BCI, a STP, and probably a couple more balls.

I will probably just have to see what they have at the show and go from there. Their setup needs are similar, so either way, I could have a setup waiting that would work for either.

I am also curious on sizes.. I know that JCPs and BRBs are similar in size, but which get larger males or females of both species (I'm assuming females)?

My male and female BRB's are about the same length - just over six feet - but the female is much thicker even after just having a litter of babies a few weeks ago.

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Thanks for your feedback BCR, the activity level you describe is close to what I was assuming a BRB would have. It is good to know that most tame down pretty well too.

Gio- yes he is from Tom McCarthy (whom I highly recommend). He is almost 4 feet now and is a blast to handle. I like the idea of adding a snake that will be a little longer than him at adulthood, but not put on as much weight as a boa.

I like the looks of both the BRB and JCPs, which is why it is so hard to choose. I would like to eventually keep both, but am not sure my husband would be cool with that... especially considering that I'd eventually also like to add a BCI, a STP, and probably a couple more balls.

I will probably just have to see what they have at the show and go from there. Their setup needs are similar, so either way, I could have a setup waiting that would work for either.

I am also curious on sizes.. I know that JCPs and BRBs are similar in size, but which get larger males or females of both species (I'm assuming females)?

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Yeah Tom is a great guy. I think you will like carpets. Something from the Land Down Under. Depending on the species of carpet males can be larger. Male Darwin's will go into combat before breeding. Usually the bigger the better so males grow large jungle and coastal I think typically females get largest. Carpets are fast, and a bit flighty and sometimes unpredictable when young. Mine settled fast and her bite was laughable when she bit me. Carpets should get a little larger than the BRB if you get a jungle, coastal or Bredli. They are quite active from sunset to sunrise. Mine is always perched and moving. If you like Tom, next year he will have some Brazilian BCCs. Look at his breeding pair. I think if I could score 1 more snake that would be the one.

BCR- Thanks.. If I get a BRB, I'll probably go for a female then. I'm assuming they have a better feeding response than the males (not sure if they go off feed like other males do or not).

Gio- Thanks for the info. I definitely want to stay smaller than a coastal, so I'll either go with a jungle or a BRB. As far as the BCCs go... I think they're too much snake for me still lol. I will wait and see how well I do with my BCA first (when he gets larger) then maybe get a BCC. They are great though. That is one reason I got the BCA. Very similar markings (except the red tail) but smaller package. I am comfortable with 6' maybe not so much with 10'.

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BCR- Thanks.. If I get a BRB, I'll probably go for a female then. I'm assuming they have a better feeding response than the males (not sure if they go off feed like other males do or not).

Gio- Thanks for the info. I definitely want to stay smaller than a coastal, so I'll either go with a jungle or a BRB. As far as the BCCs go... I think they're too much snake for me still lol. I will wait and see how well I do with my BCA first (when he gets larger) then maybe get a BCC. They are great though. That is one reason I got the BCA. Very similar markings (except the red tail) but smaller package. I am comfortable with 6' maybe not so much with 10'.

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OK,

Look into the Darwin or IJ carpets. Usually even the bigger carpets don't girth out like the boas. And,,, my understanding is the BCA boas, while not really long can be quite thick.

I think once you see a 6 foot slim snake is not much to handle, you'll be OK.

Length without the thickness really is not too intimidating. However when the female boas start putting on the girth, they become a lot more to handle LOL!

Handle a a BRB and a carpet, look at a few and see what you think. Choose carefully and don't rush.

It's a fun hobby and it sounds like you are in the driver's seat right now. Get what you want !!!!

I own 2 burbs and a jungle carpet and a coastal carpet plus I have dealt with many others of both species over my time.

I guess you could say they are similar like you have mentioned but at the same time not. Carpets don't have a lot of girth To them but do have a lot more then Brbs when adult. And are usually a little longer too.

Brbs will tend to do a little better in a bit cooler temps then carpets. Most sheets say 85 for Brbs but they actual tend to do better in a little cooler then that. My hot spot is only 82 for them but they spend most of their time on the cool side of the tank.

My Brbs will spend almost all their time in hides. My jungle will spend time in hides but also a lot of time perched. My jungle tends to be out way more then any of my other species of snakes.

Brbs also need more humidity then jungles do and aren't as tolerant to not getting that humidity as jungles are.

Both are quite aggressive eaters. Jungles a little more so then Brbs.

When being handled both are a very active snake. Both can be quite quick with their movements too. Both more active then common boas. In the tank they are both snakes so you most likely don't get a ton of action out of them but both species are still active in their tanks. Jungles I would say are more active then Brbs in their tanks from my experience.

Both tend to be nippy when babies. Both species tend to calm down with proper handling. I find jungles do it a little easier and if you are gonna get one that might never tame it would be more likely in a brb.

From what you want I think you would probably enjoy both but might like Jungles a little more.

I can't speak for BCA but compared to BCI both Brb and jungles will be more active, and faster movements. Both would generally be as tame as them but you would have a better chance of getting a more nippy or aggressive brb or jungle then a BCI. But really comparing BCI to brb an jungles the BCI are really quite different when it comes down to it.

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I own 2 burbs and a jungle carpet and a coastal carpet plus I have dealt with many others of both species over my time.

I guess you could say they are similar like you have mentioned but at the same time not. Carpets don't have a lot of girth To them but do have a lot more then Brbs when adult. And are usually a little longer too.

Brbs will tend to do a little better in a bit cooler temps then carpets. Most sheets say 85 for Brbs but they actual tend to do better in a little cooler then that. My hot spot is only 82 for them but they spend most of their time on the cool side of the tank.

My Brbs will spend almost all their time in hides. My jungle will spend time in hides but also a lot of time perched. My jungle tends to be out way more then any of my other species of snakes.

Brbs also need more humidity then jungles do and aren't as tolerant to not getting that humidity as jungles are.

Both are quite aggressive eaters. Jungles a little more so then Brbs.

When being handled both are a very active snake. Both can be quite quick with their movements too. Both more active then common boas. In the tank they are both snakes so you most likely don't get a ton of action out of them but both species are still active in their tanks. Jungles I would say are more active then Brbs in their tanks from my experience.

From what you want I think you would probably enjoy both but might like Jungles a little more.

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That's the kind of comparison we need here!

Nice rundown without any bias since you own both.

That post probably helped many more people than any of us know.

Thanks for adding to this!

Thanks so much for your response vangarret!

Based on what you've said, I agree that a jungle would probably have more the personality I'm looking for. I will still look at everything they have at the show, but now I'm leaning more towards a JCP.

I'm hoping there will be actual breeders at this show, as opposed to the usual re-sellers.. I'm sure a breeder could give me far more info on parents' sizes, temperaments, etc. which seems to be important for both these species.

I will keep you guys updated and let you know what I come home with. There is no guarantee that there will be either species at the show, but in that case, I may wait and look for a good breeder online to order from.

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Thanks so much for your response vangarret!

Based on what you've said, I agree that a jungle would probably have more the personality I'm looking for. I will still look at everything they have at the show, but now I'm leaning more towards a JCP.

I'm hoping there will be actual breeders at this show, as opposed to the usual re-sellers.. I'm sure a breeder could give me far more info on parents' sizes, temperaments, etc. which seems to be important for both these species.

I will keep you guys updated and let you know what I come home with. There is no guarantee that there will be either species at the show, but in that case, I may wait and look for a good breeder online to order from.

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I hear you there. I was looking for carpets at the last expo and there were none. Then was looking for Eastern kings at the last one and found the coastals.

One thing about carpets here in the states unless you deal with some of the higher end breeders, is that we don't really have any true locality types like the Aussie folks do. But we sure can get some beautiful stuff.

When I was looking more in the adult/sub-adult area. I was looking at a Darwin/IJ/Coastal. It was a 6 foot male and I was told he was about as thick as a can of Red Bull. That's pretty slim.

If you really want to learn some about the carpets, visit Inland Reptile. That's Nick Mutton's site and he wrote. THE COMPLETE CARPET PYTHON.

Good info there.

Thanks for the info Gio. I actually already bought Nick Mutton's book (as well as one on GTP). I've been looking at pics for a couple weeks now. I wish there was a similar quality book available for BRB. I have the books on ball pythons and boas by the same publisher as well.

I will do some more research on Mutton's site... I think I want a carpet that will be on the thinner side, so I will see which of the localities matches that (as well as looks good).

Yeah, I'm thinking my odds at the next show are slim. I hopefully will get * something*, but it is hard to say what. I am also looking at adding a short tail python and wouldn't mind a nice pastel / jungle BCI, so we'll see.

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Thanks for the info Gio. I actually already bought Nick Mutton's book (as well as one on GTP). I've been looking at pics for a couple weeks now. I wish there was a similar quality book available for BRB. I have the books on ball pythons and boas by the same publisher as well.

I will do some more research on Mutton's site... I think I want a carpet that will be on the thinner side, so I will see which of the localities matches that (as well as looks good).

Yeah, I'm thinking my odds at the next show are slim. I hopefully will get * something*, but it is hard to say what. I am also looking at adding a short tail python and wouldn't mind a nice pastel / jungle BCI, so we'll see.

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I just got that book in the mail today LOL!

I think the book will lead you in the right direction.

They are really neat snakes, but I can't believe how much more muscle/girth BCs have on them.

I always hear pound for pound the strongest snakes for their size are kings and BC's. BC will usually be stronger than the other giants at the same length, but they (the true giants) obviously grow and surpass everything when they hit adulthood.

I think it's gonna be a JCP... Went to the local pet store that's managed by a reseller... He showed me some baby JCPs (which he colorfully defined as "little a**holes") and I got tagged by a tiny one... It was love at first bite. That said, these didn't look that great (a lot of black and not much yellow). He also had various baby boas (some cyclones, some hypos, etc.) and I got to hold a couple of those as well. He will be at the show, so if I don't see any better JCPs, I may get one from him or come home with another boa. He did not have an;y BRBs for me to see, so I'll have to see if there are any at the show to compare. The downside to his JCPs is that he didn't breed them so he can't give me many specifics on parents, etc.

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I think it's gonna be a JCP... Went to the local pet store that's managed by a reseller... He showed me some baby JCPs (which he colorfully defined as "little a**holes") and I got tagged by a tiny one... It was love at first bite. That said, these didn't look that great (a lot of black and not much yellow). He also had various baby boas (some cyclones, some hypos, etc.) and I got to hold a couple of those as well. He will be at the show, so if I don't see any better JCPs, I may get one from him or come home with another boa. He did not have an;y BRBs for me to see, so I'll have to see if there are any at the show to compare. The downside to his JCPs is that he didn't breed them so he can't give me many specifics on parents, etc.

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When carpets are hatchlings they all have bad coloring. Carpets colors change drastically as they age until they reach their adult colorization. I don't know exactly how long it takes but I've heard it can be up to several years. That's why it is said to usually look at the parents to get an idea of the hatchlings color potential.

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I'm sure a breeder could give me far more info on parents' sizes, temperaments, etc. which seems to be important for both these species..

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I was wondering why you would want to know the parents size and temperaments? Most people want to see the parents for their colors but l've never heard someone wondering about their size and temperament. Those types of attributes aren't really something that is passed down to the hatchlings. You could have really big or really small parents. They would still produce offspring of random sizes. The majority of hatchling carpets are nippy. If they are it's proper handling that grows them out of it. Temperament isn't a trait that's passed on to the young. It's more of a learned thing with them.

vangarret- I am also considering adding a STP to my collection and have received advice about looking for those attributes with them (size and parent attitude).. Apparently those are more hereditary with STPs, I guess? With JCPs, I assumed that if the babies were not pure jungles, (had coastal in them, etc.) that they would grow larger than pure jungles, which is the main reason I was concerned about size / seeing the parents.

I knew that color developed later with JCPs, but these had very little "color" on them (brownish areas that would turn into brighter yellow later). They had a LOT of black, which I assumed they would keep as adults. Can you tell anything about their patterns and the amount of area that will turn into color (color vs. black) when they are small or does this change too? I should note that these were very small, probably only close to a foot long and tiny (pencil width or less).

When I got home (after posting) I looked online and found an excellent video on how to handle a nippy baby to discourage biting and help tame them down. I liked the author's advice on limitng biting for the sake of the baby and possible tooth injury. After seeing that, I'm pretty comfortable with handling to tame down (now that I've seen it done correctly).

Thank you again for your time and help!

Don't sweat the colors. As mentioned they don't pop for a couple of years. Even if you ended up with an 8 foot snake, it will weigh less than your BCA.

Here is a couple pictures to show you sizes of adult carpets and Brbs.
This is my adult male brb. I don't usually weight my snakes but I bred my Brbs this year so I did for both of them. I can't remember their exact weight but they were about 2000g give or take.

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/u...E3E6D4642F.jpg

My carpets I don't know their weight but the are much much heavier then my Brbs are. You can see by the pictures that carpets have more girth to them then Brbs. Someone mentioned jungles get about the girth of a red bull can(not sure if it was here or another thread) but an adult are actually more like a coke can or a little larger even.

This is my jungle carpet.
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/u...286A41B175.jpg

Here is my female brb. Pic isn't great but it's because she is hopefully gravid so I don't wanna move her.
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/u...5DCD49BCD2.jpg

And here is my coastal carpet just because.
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/u...60BCEE825C.jpg

Both like I said before are quick species when you are handling them but I find carpets a little easier to handle then Brbs. Their extra weight just keeps them a tad slower.

An adult female carpet, or male if your like me and have a 7 footer, will weigh in at 3-4 kilos. 3000-4000 grams! They are not small snakes, but aren't exactly big ones either.
Here is my adult caramel as you can see she is easily contained in one hand.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/14/e8edupu9.jpg
Carpets are just about the best species out there!!


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Agreed

Thanks so much for the info and great pics! I still love the way both species look, but I think the carpet will be my first purchase. I like that they aren't super thin (like, say, corns).

I'm hoping that I get lucky and find some nice ones at the show, but if not, I may wait and purchase a baby from a good breeder. inland reptiles has a couple nice looking ones at the moment, but they are mostly sold out of their jungles.

As far as rainbows go, I've heard rainbows r us has nice animals, so again, at least I'll have somewhere to look if I come up empty handed at the show.

Thanks again for your input and help!

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Thanks so much for the info and great pics! I still love the way both species look, but I think the carpet will be my first purchase. I like that they aren't super thin (like, say, corns).

I'm hoping that I get lucky and find some nice ones at the show, but if not, I may wait and purchase a baby from a good breeder. inland reptiles has a couple nice looking ones at the moment, but they are mostly sold out of their jungles.

As far as rainbows go, I've heard rainbows r us has nice animals, so again, at least I'll have somewhere to look if I come up empty handed at the show.

Thanks again for your input and help!

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Awesome decision, and I'm most definitely biased ;) Was hesitant about getting a JCP for my first snake, but I have to say that I'm so glad I did!!! They really do have more personality than I could have imagined, and are so much fun. Mine is active and almost always perched somewhere in full view. He's curious and inquisitive and will lean forward to investigate any time someone comes by his enclosure. Easy to handle (especially for a baby), and has only nipped at me a handful of times. Even then, I like him more than my adult corn snake, and the corn is the sweetest, most docile snake I've ever seen. There is just something fun about having a smug, sassy, active snake like a Jungle Carpet Python! They're just so interesting... and beautiful to look at, too.

This is my 2013 male from Inland Reptile
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5194/...e9839db4_z.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3890/...d109b2ce_z.jpg

By the way, have you contacted Nick about his Jungles yet? I know he doesn't have much on his website right now, but if you don't mind waiting a bit he might have some available later! He just e-mailed me a week ago that he'll have over 400 Carpet hatchlings this year and will begin to add them to the website once they're established eaters. There's bound to be some Jungles in that 400!!! If you e-mail him and he doesn't get back immediately, don't worry about that either. He's always excellent with communication and most likely has just been busy.

Another good breeder to contact is Rich, or "3skulls" here on the forum. Here is his Facebook page - Creature Addiction. I don't know about availability, but his JCPs look incredible and he's a really fantastic guy. Very helpful and personable! I know he has a big thread on the forum somewhere with all of his herps, just can't remember where it is atm.

Nice to see this thread didn't die. It's actually becoming more informative.

I think I was the one who mentioned the can of Red Bull, but it was in relation to the Darwin carpet. There are various sizes of Red Bull cans, but the male that was 3 years old and 6' long I'd considered was about Red Bull can sized.

I'm not sure which can though LOL!

I'm very fond of carpets, and really can only think of 2 other species that would interest me outside of carpets and BC's.

SD retic, or Eastern king.

The activity level and semi arboreal qualities of the carpets make them a lot of fun.

Loud, thank you for your jcp pics and the info on nick. Your jcp has such vibrant colors and contrast! Do you happen to have a pic of him when he was younger?
Nick is at the top of my list to look at and your positive feedback reinforced that. I will also check out 3skulls, thanks for his FB link.

Thanks again for by our help!

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Loud, thank you for your jcp pics and the info on nick. Your jcp has such vibrant colors and contrast! Do you happen to have a pic of him when he was younger?
Nick is at the top of my list to look at and your positive feedback reinforced that. I will also check out 3skulls, thanks for his FB link.

Thanks again for by our help!

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I do! He recently turned a year old, so I was doing some side by side comparisons for fun.

These are from when he was still with the breeder (at 3 months and then at 5 months)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3882/...3cd7a451_z.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2939/...cced78b9_z.jpg

6 - 7 months (when I first got him)
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2931/...ac6aefe5_z.jpg

1 year (now)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3873/...cc2dc747_z.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2924/...29d04b0e_z.jpg

He is out of Nick's 2008 JCP female (produced by Will Leary), and sired by his 2011 zebra male.

When I e-mailed Nick with updates, he says that he should get even brighter, and I suspect the same. Actually meant to take him out today for more pictures, but he was in blue again. He's been coming out consistently cleaner and/or brighter with each shed, so looking forward to watching him develop into an adult!

I let Nick know what I was looking for, and he sent me pictures and family trees so that I could narrow it down. He helped a lot in offering his opinions and experience, and went out of his way to get updated pictures. Even humored me and "tested" their temperaments :P He is great to work with, and I definitely got the snake I wanted!! Will definitely be getting some more from him in the future.

Found 3skulls' (Rich's) thread as well! Here it is: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ake-Collection

And no problem at all! As you can tell, I love talking about my JCP!

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I do! He recently turned a year old, so I was doing some side by side comparisons for fun.

These are from when he was still with the breeder (at 3 months and then at 5 months)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3882/...3cd7a451_z.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2939/...cced78b9_z.jpg

6 - 7 months (when I first got him)
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2931/...ac6aefe5_z.jpg

1 year (now)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3873/...cc2dc747_z.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2924/...29d04b0e_z.jpg

He is out of Nick's 2008 JCP female (produced by Will Leary), and sired by his 2011 zebra male.

When I e-mailed Nick with updates, he says that he should get even brighter, and I suspect the same. Actually meant to take him out today for more pictures, but he was in blue again. He's been coming out consistently cleaner and/or brighter with each shed, so looking forward to watching him develop into an adult!

I let Nick know what I was looking for, and he sent me pictures and family trees so that I could narrow it down. He helped a lot in offering his opinions and experience, and went out of his way to get updated pictures. Even humored me and "tested" their temperaments :P He is great to work with, and I definitely got the snake I wanted!! Will definitely be getting some more from him in the future.

Found 3skulls' (Rich's) thread as well! Here it is: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ake-Collection

And no problem at all! As you can tell, I love talking about my JCP!

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That's a kick ass carpet no matter how you slice it. Older,, younger, it doesn't matter. Great looking jungle and thanks for keeping this post going!

Update: Went to the show and was quite disappointed. There were some random jags, coast als, and jungles being sold by resellers; a pair of coastal being sold together; and some mixes that all had poor color. There was one awesome high yellow jag that was already sold. Overall, maybe 9 carpets at the whole show. Also only saw one BRB. I ended up buying a hypo bci and a cinny bp. Even my husband seemed disappointed in the carpets and suggested that I just wait and get one from a breeder online.

The good news? My husband was hesitant about the carpets when a seller talked about them biting so much, but ended up being won over when he saw a seller with a 6 foot bright yellow adult around his shoulders. :-)

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Update: Went to the show and was quite disappointed. There were some random jags, coast als, and jungles being sold by resellers; a pair of coastal being sold together; and some mixes that all had poor color. There was one awesome high yellow jag that was already sold. Overall, maybe 9 carpets at the whole show. Also only saw one BRB. I ended up buying a hypo bci and a cinny bp. Even my husband seemed disappointed in the carpets and suggested that I just wait and get one from a breeder online.

The good news? My husband was hesitant about the carpets when a seller talked about them biting so much, but ended up being won over when he saw a seller with a 6 foot bright yellow adult around his shoulders. :-)

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Win/Win!

So you will still be able to get a carpet down the road. The colors typically improve with age, so don't be discouraged about that. The really bright colors are usually from selectively bred snakes so you will be better off going with a trusted breeder for that type.

When they are young, the little bites don't draw blood or hurt. They out grow the bite stage fast, at least mine did.

Gio- that's what I, and the local reseller told him.. I think he was just put off by a seller talking about being bitten by slightly older ones that had not been handled. I'm anticipating that I'll have to wait at least until after Christmas to start looking for one now. With the two new additions plus the expense of setting up the snake room, I've got about all I can handle until I get a rack and the heating for the snake room up and running.

Carpet pythons are some of my favorite snakes. Awesome personalities, very active, and can be tamed pretty easily:gj: I cant speak for BRB's though sorry