Why is my BEL stripey?

I need advice again folks.

The parents were both lessers ( Noah line ) and the only other BEL I have from the pairing was pure white.

But this little guy seems to have patches of yellow on his cheeks and a full racing stripe either side of his spine from neck to tail tip.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ripeyBEL01.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ripeyBEL02.jpg


I have searched google images in vain trying to find one with similar markings.

Can anyone weigh in if it is an extra gene, nothing unusual or a sign that he is "low quality" please?

This is Mom and dad if it sheds any light.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/64.../51/elam04.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/64...lelesser03.jpg


Dr Del

I have no idea what would be going on there. Mom and dad don't look like they have anything odd going on.

I definitely wouldn't consider it just a "low quality" BEL though...if anything I'd pay a little extra for that guy just due to his unique look.

Wonder if it will fade as he ages?

Do you have a pic of his face?

Mojave X Lesser is reported to produce the most white of the BELS, while lesser X lesser and mojave X mojave have some color discoloration at times. Sometimes moderate, sometimes extreme. Beautiful animal, however.

EDIT: Also, as he ages the color should bronze out or turn a platinum color because he is from Lesser X Lesser.
Mojaves x Mojaves have more purple effects if there are any discolorations and also bronze out with age, but not to the same extent.

I should say the markings definitely do not make your animal any less marketable than a pure white BEL, because a lot of individuals love the discoloration. Some people of course prefer white, but others definitely love a little mark to their pythons.

Hope that helped.

I'll see if I can get a face picture tomorrow. It's quite tricky to get the yellow to show. :cool:

I think he looks cool. Also, I thought the Mohave x Lesser BEL's were whitest, with Super Mohaves and Super Lessers having just a bit of color and pattern, to make things interesting.

Whatever it is, I like it! :gj:

I think it may have something to do with the line your using,
I've heard the noah line sometimes can produce some interesting offspring.
I would look into it and hold that animal, just in case.

Hmm... very interesting

That's wild! Looking forward to more pics

Basically, the top half of the snake is yellow and the bottom half is white. Similar to yours,
but yours seems to have more of a stripe that half and half.

Dave

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2853.jpg

It's to odd for you. So if you would just box it up and send it to me. You will never have to see it again.:) It looks great.

Derek Please Show Us belies of Your Lessers....

I'm just curious. Did you produce this animal yourself? I've never seen a super lesser with that dirty of a head. Usually that's what the mojo version looks like


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I've only owned one super lesser, and she was late sold. She had a very slight yellow line down the ridge of her back, though. When I got her, I looked into it. From what I remember finding, it's quite common in super lessers to have a bit of yellow along the back.

I'd guess she's not exhibiting any extra gene. Only that she's showing, again, that there is variability in lots of the morphs.

That's a nice BEL. :gj:

Tried to get head pics.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ripeyBEL01.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ripeyBEL03.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ripeyBEL06.jpg

Will try and get belly pics of the parents and maybe even blacklight pictures later. It looks like the eye stripe is bleeding through to me?

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Mojave X Lesser is reported to produce the most white of the BELS, while lesser X lesser and mojave X mojave have some color discoloration at times. Sometimes moderate, sometimes extreme. Beautiful animal, however.

EDIT: Also, as he ages the color should bronze out or turn a platinum color because he is from Lesser X Lesser.
Mojaves x Mojaves have more purple effects if there are any discolorations and also bronze out with age, but not to the same extent.

I should say the markings definitely do not make your animal any less marketable than a pure white BEL, because a lot of individuals love the discoloration. Some people of course prefer white, but others definitely love a little mark to their pythons.

Hope that helped.

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I had a BEL from a Lesser x Lesser pairing and he was as white as it gets. I kept him for a couple of years and he never showed any color other than snow white...

That's why I said occasional color discoloration. Not occurring with every animal or pairing.

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I'm with Rafal on this one. I am curious to see the both of the parents belly patterns (if any).

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That's why I said occasional color discoloration. Not occurring with every animal or pairing.

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Understood...just throwing in my 2 cents worth...

I've also never heard of >>> "as he ages the color should bronze out or turn a platinum color because he is from Lesser X Lesser." Super Lesser/Butters are supposed to be the whitest BEL's...other than maybe White Diamonds...

here's a thread with all kinds of contradictory stuff http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...est-Leucistics :)

Sorry, I should have correctly explained that information. I believe it was in a conversation with Bob Clark over email while discussing my lesser. But it's been quite awhile since then so I couldn't give you a date.
In any case, the entire Mojave, lesser, bel project is a little subjective because so many of them vary. I'll be sure to read the link when I'm back on my computer :) Controversy is always interesting.

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I think he looks cool. Also, I thought the Mohave x Lesser BEL's were whitest, with Super Mohaves and Super Lessers having just a bit of color and pattern, to make things interesting.

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Okay, so you've heard that, too. I am not crazy, haha. The potential is so boundless with bels, lessers and mojaves. I love the touch of color from lesser x lesser and mojave x mojave. Well any touch of color is just as beautiful as the lack there of in my opinion.

I hope it all gets figured out, who knows Dr. Del, perhaps you have a very unique bel ;) Can't wait to see belly pictures. As for the baby's eye, I did notice that :( I hope it's just a really neat iris and nothing too serious!

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I had a BEL from a Lesser x Lesser pairing and he was as white as it gets. I kept him for a couple of years and he never showed any color other than snow white...

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I agree. Every supper lesser I've seen and hatched gas been pure white


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Just seeing that snake I first thought white diamond or phantom lesser. Both tend to have a yellow dorsal. Looking at the parents, neither look like a russo, so is there a chance one of them is a phantom or other gene in the BEL complex? I'm not well versed with IDing most of them. I guess the test would be to breed to a super mojave, if just white snakes pop out, then guess you have the most yellowed out super lesser I have ever seen, if something else pops out, then guess it's another BEL gene.

Anyone saying white diamonds are the whitest BEL really makes me wonder if they have actually seen one... I've seen quite a few in real life and not a single one was pure white, all had a yellow dorsal of some extent. Also I have seen more yellowed out lesser/mojave than super lessers, I would personally say you still have a better chance with super lessers for pure white, but neither guarantees pure white.

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Anyone saying white diamonds are the whitest BEL really makes me wonder if they have actually seen one... I've seen quite a few in real life and not a single one was pure white, all had a yellow dorsal of some extent. Also I have seen more yellowed out lesser/mojave than super lessers, I would personally say you still have a better chance with super lessers for pure white, but neither guarantees pure white.

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I should have put a few question marks at the end of my comment...never seen one in person that I recall...Lesser x Lesser always looks whitest to me in person and in pics, but seems like White Diamond is always talked about as being the whitest...

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seems like White Diamond is always talked about as being the whitest...

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I've seen that repeated all over the place and never understood it, as you can see someone popular did a good job of up talking them: https://web.archive.org/web/20110823...leucistic.html but from what I've seen are just a step above super mojaves.

While I was on the internet time machine, I saw yellow striping is referenced here also: https://web.archive.org/web/20110822...blue-eyed.html

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Derek Please Show Us belies of Your Lessers....

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I'm just curious. Did you produce this animal yourself? I've never seen a super lesser with that dirty of a head. Usually that's what the mojo version looks like


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Yes hatched him in a clutch with 4 lesser sibs and one normal sib.

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I'm with Rafal on this one. I am curious to see the both of the parents belly patterns (if any).

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Belly pics of the parents.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...patterns01.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...patterns02.jpg

Can't get any whiter than my super lesser/butter male,and the male he produced last season. I told the buyer that the hatchling would get whiter as he grow. I believe he thought I was crazy because it was already white,but he had that very slight pink hue.I should be able to compare the white on the super fire in 3mo.

I don't believe that striping is very common. Looks like something else going on .

Our BEL's (Mojave x Lesser) also have a stripe :). Best seen on this picture:

http://gpreptiles.com/foto/available/C3BP14-M13-BEL.jpg

May be hard to tell from the picture but it's also yellowish color :P.

Fairly clean belly, but not really white. Are they going into shed?

Anything is possible with this complex. Look what we have going on here. BEL and BEL paradox..... full Mojave head.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psf8c4f842.jpg

1.0 Mojave x 0.1 Butter

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps6dad063b.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...pscbe294cd.jpg

Opinions please. Has any body seen or heard or results of a pastave and pastave bel? Hows that outcome? I have a male now and the lucys are cuties. Input please. This may be
project number two

No neither are in shed in those pictures.

I'm not sure this is relevant but the male did sire this boy as well with a normal female.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/lesser05.jpg

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No neither are in shed in those pictures.

I'm not sure this is relevant but the male did sire this boy as well with a normal female.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/lesser05.jpg

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Bad angle, but are those eyes blue?

My crazy BEL popped out last night along with a snow white BEL. Paradox almost looks like an Eclipse is in play, but likely just a fluke paradox BEL.

BEL 14F1:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps4186c023.jpg

BEL 14M1:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps2027f194.jpg