Good Morph To Invest In

I'm looking for a dominant or co-dom morph that is a good investment for future breeding. Any suggestions? I was thinking champagne or lace black back.


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Spoiler alert - this reply is going to be fun! :P

Someone recently posted the following advice, and I absolutely believe that it applies to your question. ;)

"Don't worry too much. This can suck the joy out of owning a Ball Python."

• Invest in morphs that are enjoyable for you! You'll worry yourself crazy thinking about returns early on. :)

"Have fun! That's the reason you got a BP isn't it? "

• Enjoy your animals and let the money take care of itself. :)

Thanks for the advice! Ha ha! I guess the morphs I like the most have lesser or pastel in it. I would love to breed my Pastel male to a Lesser female. I think pastel lessers look great! I also like bee stuff.


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Originally Posted by BPavery

Thanks for the advice! Ha ha! I guess the morphs I like the most have lesser or pastel in it. I would love to breed my Pastel male to a Lesser female. I think pastel lessers look great! I also like bee stuff.

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I agree with both of these choices. My first BP purchase was my Butter Pastel (sort of pastel lesser) female. And, I have a Spinner Blast in my small collection - bee with a little something extra. ;)

I saw a spinner female about a year ago on Kingsnake. $195! I think that's a steal! I was thinking about buying her and hatching some spinner blasts. I love that morph.


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First, Reptiles are normally horrible investments, most of us lose money, but if you want to roll the dice. Investments are about what the market as a majority likes. What you enjoy might not be a good investment tho. I love deserts and would no doubt enjoy producing combos with them... I doubt your going to find anyone arguing they are a good investment. I wouldn't enjoy trying to move the offspring.

As far as dom/co-dom, personally I think banana is a good investment after the market finally got realistic with them. It is a morph most still want and super bananas are in demand. I also think leopards and orange dreams will have high demand for years to come. But, all I am doing is guessing.

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First, Reptiles are normally horrible investments, most of us lose money, but if you want to roll the dice. Investments are about what the market as a majority likes. What you enjoy might not be a good investment tho. I love deserts and would no doubt enjoy producing combos with them... I doubt your going to find anyone arguing they are a good investment. I wouldn't enjoy trying to move the offspring.

As far as dom/co-dom, personally I think banana is a good investment after the market finally got realistic with them. It is a morph most still want and super bananas are in demand. I also think leopards and orange dreams will have high demand for years to come. But, all I am doing is guessing.

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Guessing is the only thing we can do. Who knows, maybe deserts will become as popular as pastels or spiders someday. I love them too! I didn't even realize the price drop on bananas. Under $1,000! I'll have to pick one up. Thanks for your help!


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Banana

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Banana

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Thanks for the picture!


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Originally Posted by MrLang

Banana

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The trolls were the ones advertising 15k and selling for 3k....I saw quite a few get sold at the last show, seem to do better anything else near the same price point.

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Originally Posted by BPavery

Who knows, maybe deserts will become as popular as pastels or spiders someday.

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Problem with desert is, apparently females cannot produce good eggs. This makes females pet only snakes and that removes a lot of the hobby as potential buyers, then people looking for a pet generally aren't willing to spend the cash a hobbyist would. So basically you are making snakes that many do not want and when they do, you sell it cheap. Amazing looking snakes, horrible investment.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Problem with desert is, apparently females cannot produce good eggs. This makes females pet only snakes and that removes a lot of the hobby as potential buyers, then people looking for a pet generally aren't willing to spend the cash a hobbyist would. So basically you are making snakes that many do not want and when they do, you sell it cheap. Amazing looking snakes, horrible investment.

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Yes, I heard about that too. It's very sad.


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Originally Posted by BPavery

I'm looking for a dominant or co-dom morph that is a good investment for future breeding. Any suggestions? I was thinking champagne or lace black back.

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Personally I don't think champagnes are all that great an investment. They were hot for a while but the prices have dropped pretty significantly over the last year. Also, the super form (pearl) and crosses with other morphs, like spider, are lethal, so they're limited in what you can breed to them.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Personally I don't think champagnes are all that great an investment. They were hot for a while but the prices have dropped pretty significantly over the last year. Also, the super form (pearl) and crosses with other morphs, like spider, are lethal, so they're limited in what you can breed to them.

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Pearl is a super hidden gene woma.

Not super champ.

(At least thats what wop says)
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Personally I don't think champagnes are all that great an investment. They were hot for a while but the prices have dropped pretty significantly over the last year. Also, the super form (pearl) and crosses with other morphs, like spider, are lethal, so they're limited in what you can breed to them.

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Okay, thanks for the advice. I guess I'll go with banana!


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Originally Posted by Izzys Keeper

Pearl is a super hidden gene woma.

Not super champ.

(At least thats what wop says)
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Doh! I stand corrected. But unfortunately it's still a lethal combo, which stinks b/c I do think they're beautiful.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Problem with desert is, apparently females cannot produce good eggs. This makes females pet only snakes and that removes a lot of the hobby as potential buyers, then people looking for a pet generally aren't willing to spend the cash a hobbyist would. So basically you are making snakes that many do not want and when they do, you sell it cheap. Amazing looking snakes, horrible investment.

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Agreed. THAT is why the hobby needs more people like ME!!!! :)

I own a Desert Mojave boy, and a Desert Enchi (Tiger) girl. Both are AWESOME animals...and drop-dead gorgeous...but both are just PETS. I will never breed either, and I knew that when I bought them. Neither were cheap (comparatively speaking), but I bought them for the love of the animals, not the money they would earn me.

I look forward to growing old with both of them...but they're definitely not investment-grade snakes.

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Agreed. THAT is why the hobby needs more people like ME!!!! :)

I own a Desert Mojave boy, and a Desert Enchi (Tiger) girl. Both are AWESOME animals...and drop-dead gorgeous...but both are just PETS. I will never breed either, and I knew that when I bought them. Neither were cheap (comparatively speaking), but I bought them for the love of the animals, not the money they would earn me.

I look forward to growing old with both of them...but they're definitely not investment-grade snakes.

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We definitely need more people like you. Most of the Ball Python trade is breeder to breeder. It would be great if Ball Pythons could drop in price a little, and people could afford a morph like Piebald or Clown.



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IMO, you need a ton of good females to pair up in the future with 1 powerhouse male. The Bamboo project is VERY promising, and would be worth it. If you really want to find "investment" quality BPs, you want to get into the Bamboo, Scaleless, or Highways/Freeways. The GHI train is coming down pretty hard.

Bananas are a decent investment in my opinion. I think they're as big as pieds. The combos sell well (and look amazing), they are one of the most appealing BPs on the market, and they're attainable by many more people who can afford a >$1000 snake than a $10k snake :). The only drawback is the sex-linked issue where males will almost always produce other males. Typically, when you buy a male investment quality snake, you're trying to breed him to produce his replacement... So it kindof works out lol.

Edit: I know this was mentioned, but reptiles aren't a very good investment for a hobby breeder. They do what they want, when they want to, and with who they want to...... It's not clockwork lol.

If you buy animals that you genuinely enjoy, you forget about how much money you spent, and you enjoy raising that animal. Also, I think I talked myself into buying a banana............ Ugh! That itch!

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IMO, you need a ton of good females to pair up in the future with 1 powerhouse male. The Bamboo project is VERY promising, and would be worth it. If you really want to find "investment" quality BPs, you want to get into the Bamboo, Scaleless, or Highways/Freeways. The GHI train is coming down pretty hard.

Bananas are a decent investment in my opinion. I think they're as big as pieds. The combos sell well (and look amazing), they are one of the most appealing BPs on the market, and they're attainable by many more people who can afford a >$1000 snake than a $10k snake :). The only drawback is the sex-linked issue where males will almost always produce other males. Typically, when you buy a male investment quality snake, you're trying to breed him to produce his replacement... So it kindof works out lol.

Edit: I know this was mentioned, but reptiles aren't a very good investment for a hobby breeder. They do what they want, when they want to, and with who they want to...... It's not clockwork lol.

If you buy animals that you genuinely enjoy, you forget about how much money you spent, and you enjoy raising that animal. Also, I think I talked myself into buying a banana............ Ugh! That itch!

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Bamboo! how could I of forgot, on a whole different price tier but I think that will be huge in years to come.

I just wanted to elaborate, there are male makers and female makers with the male bananas, so you can pick which one fancies you at the time.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

IMO, you need a ton of good females to pair up in the future with 1 powerhouse male. The Bamboo project is VERY promising, and would be worth it. If you really want to find "investment" quality BPs, you want to get into the Bamboo, Scaleless, or Highways/Freeways. The GHI train is coming down pretty hard.

Bananas are a decent investment in my opinion. I think they're as big as pieds. The combos sell well (and look amazing), they are one of the most appealing BPs on the market, and they're attainable by many more people who can afford a >$1000 snake than a $10k snake :). The only drawback is the sex-linked issue where males will almost always produce other males. Typically, when you buy a male investment quality snake, you're trying to breed him to produce his replacement... So it kindof works out lol.

Edit: I know this was mentioned, but reptiles aren't a very good investment for a hobby breeder. They do what they want, when they want to, and with who they want to...... It's not clockwork lol.

If you buy animals that you genuinely enjoy, you forget about how much money you spent, and you enjoy raising that animal. Also, I think I talked myself into buying a banana............ Ugh! That itch!

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I would love to invest in Bamboo. It seems like this morph is starting to take off. I know that feeling. When you talk about Ball Pythons, you suddenly want another one! I also think Bananas are going to stay in popularity for a long time like piebalds, so they would be a good investment like you mentioned. How about Sparks and Pumas or Specters? They seem like a good investment, too.


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I would love to invest in Bamboo. It seems like this morph is starting to take off. I know that feeling. When you talk about Ball Pythons, you suddenly want another one! I also think Bananas are going to stay in popularity for a long time like piebalds, so they would be a good investment like you mentioned. How about Sparks and Pumas or Specters? They seem like a good investment, too.


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Superstripes are still pretty popular. They don't seem to last when I see their ads posted. Unfortunately sparks and specters can be tricky to identify, so I wouldn't recommend them for a starting breeder unless you've seen quite a few specters/YBs in person and feel confident you could distinguish them from normals. Or any other specter/YB combos for that matter.

I'm personally not a fan of Pumas so I haven't really been following the market for them. Most of my interest has been on highways/freeways than any other YB complex. If I were to add a snake to my collection, it would have YB and banana, maybe a pos het clown or pied. Then in a few years when she's on her way to reaching breeding weight, I'd "invest" in a gravel male, or freeway/highway, or a super gravel. Since I can't afford any of those at the moment, I'm going to stick with what I've got :D.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Superstripes are still pretty popular. They don't seem to last when I see their ads posted. Unfortunately sparks and specters can be tricky to identify, so I wouldn't recommend them for a starting breeder unless you've seen quite a few specters/YBs in person and feel confident you could distinguish them from normals. Or any other specter/YB combos for that matter.

I'm personally not a fan of Pumas so I haven't really been following the market for them. Most of my interest has been on highways/freeways than any other YB complex. If I were to add a snake to my collection, it would have YB and banana, maybe a pos het clown or pied. Then in a few years when she's on her way to reaching breeding weight, I'd "invest" in a gravel male, or freeway/highway, or a super gravel. Since I can't afford any of those at the moment, I'm going to stick with what I've got :D.

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That's the only problem I have with yellowbelly morphs. I don't really have experience identifying them. I've been looking online for a gravel and I can't find a single one. Do you know where to find them?


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Speaking of a stripe... A Banana 100 percent het for G-stripe is about to sell for 400 bucks. wow

All the gravel's ive seen are going for 3-4k

Yeah, I was just at the Daytona show, and I was surprised that the Gravels were still 3-4K I did not think they were still that high...

I would personally use "invest" carefully. We all know the prices of these will ALL fall. I just do it as a hobby, that sometimes, I can get some money back on :) .
this way I'm not too disappointed when the hets I paid $1000 for way back when, only produce $400-$500 snakes now..... (heck I remember paying $250 for a Possible het pied that I STILL have not been able to prove out! She just has not laid for me)

here is a gravel for 2K and a highway for 2.7K
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.p...=32&de=1065352