Pastels?

How does everyone feel about regular pastels? Only because the dinker I have may be gravid with pastels, which is no issue for me. Just wondering how much these sell for since they are the second most popular morph these days.


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Most popular means nothing positive for pastels. Single gene pastels, depending on gender can maybe work up to about 50 dollars. 30 on the low end.

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I've seen females at shows for about $115. I love a really good, bright, low pattern pastel if the parents have kept their colors well.

Pastel is always a good low end morph that is affordable for new keepers.
However, quality is everything. I am really picky when it comes to pastels.

Males $50. Females $75-150 depending on quality.

Thanks for the thoughts! The female is a super light normal with extremely unique markers, and there is a chance she is a fire or new morph or something. The possible sire is a very nice 4 (5 in October) year old pastel that I had since a hatchling and his colors are still very yellow! She was also paired with a black pastel but I don't know who got the job done or if they both did lol. Just incase I get all pastels I want to know what their market is these days. Either way babies will be gorgeous because my female is honestly the prettiest "normal" I've seen if she's a normal that is. And my boys are both good looking so I'm okay with both outcomes :)


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I didn't have a problem selling males for $75 and females for $125 this year.

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I didn't have a problem selling males for $75 and females for $125 this year.

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Hatchlings or adults?


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hatchlings of course

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hatchlings of course

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Wow that is pretty good!


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pastel is the most common morph of all BP morphs. it is also one of the oldest.

but we all know they have issues with browning out. and in multi-gene combos, they can wash out or fade out the pattern.

its the most common morph because it has been the most common morph right from the beginning. there is no other reason. in quality, it does not compare to other newer codominants like lesser/butter, yellowbelly, mojave, fire, enchi, CG/banana, gravel, mocha, bamboo.

after spending a lot of time on this forum and working on getting into the right living condition and financial condition to get started, i will soon start my collection. and i will, right from the start, cut out the two most common morphs: pastel and spider. meaning i am open to start with everything else except these two. maybe ill get a spider later on, but never a pastel. and the first BP i buy will definitively contain enchi.

pastel is the cheapest morph (fact), the most common morph (fact), one of the oldest morphs if not the oldest morph (fact), and i think the most overrated morph (matter of opinion).

the deal-breaker for me is that jigsaws and kingpins look awesome, but when you add pastel, they look diminished. not necessarily in color, but definitively in contrast and pattern. these are just two obvious examples where the result is better without pastel.

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pastel is the most common morph of all BP morphs. it is also one of the oldest.

but we all know they have issues with browning out. and in multi-gene combos, they can wash out or fade out the pattern.

its the most common morph because it has been the most common morph right from the beginning. there is no other reason. in quality, it does not compare to other newer codominants like lesser/butter, yellowbelly, mojave, fire, enchi, CG/banana, gravel, mocha, bamboo.

after spending a lot of time on this forum and working on getting into the right living condition and financial condition to get started, i will soon start my collection. and i will, right from the start, cut out the two most common morphs: pastel and spider. meaning i am open to start with everything else except these two. maybe ill get a spider later on, but never a pastel. and the first BP i buy will definitively contain enchi.

pastel is the cheapest morph (fact), the most common morph (fact), one of the oldest morphs if not the oldest morph (fact), and i think the most overrated morph (matter of opinion).

the deal-breaker for me is that jigsaws and kingpins look awesome, but when you add pastel, they look diminished. not necessarily in color, but definitively in contrast and pattern. these are just two obvious examples where the result is better without pastel.

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I agree, thanks for the input! :) Though when I first got into bp's I wasn't planning on breeding and pastels were the cheapest morph for me at that time. Now, things have changed and I see things differently lol. I'm into piebalds and black pastels right now ;) but if I get pastel babies I think I'll hold a female back to breed to my black pastel get piebald ;)


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pastel is the most common morph of all BP morphs. it is also one of the oldest.

but we all know they have issues with browning out. and in multi-gene combos, they can wash out or fade out the pattern.

its the most common morph because it has been the most common morph right from the beginning. there is no other reason. in quality, it does not compare to other newer codominants like lesser/butter, yellowbelly, mojave, fire, enchi, CG/banana, gravel, mocha, bamboo.

after spending a lot of time on this forum and working on getting into the right living condition and financial condition to get started, i will soon start my collection. and i will, right from the start, cut out the two most common morphs: pastel and spider. meaning i am open to start with everything else except these two. maybe ill get a spider later on, but never a pastel. and the first BP i buy will definitively contain enchi.

pastel is the cheapest morph (fact), the most common morph (fact), one of the oldest morphs if not the oldest morph (fact), and i think the most overrated morph (matter of opinion).

the deal-breaker for me is that jigsaws and kingpins look awesome, but when you add pastel, they look diminished. not necessarily in color, but definitively in contrast and pattern. these are just two obvious examples where the result is better without pastel.

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I believe that albino is the oldest morph but you are right pastel is old.

I believe that albino is the oldest morph but you are right pastel is old. but I have to disagree with you about say the pastel is useless to have in your collection while you are right it doesn't combined with everything( what morph does ) I fell like the super pastel make a lot of really nice stuff. I fell this is more about them being cheap then anything else to you because you pick out the 2 lowest morphs and that is true pastel willnt bring a lot of "value" to your collection and if you are try to get return money wise it would be smart to get higher end morph. but for what we have seen from this morph I would say it overrated. I hostley started out with the two morph that you said you wouldn't a super pastel and a spider for the victory of creating bumblebee and then killer bees. the resoe I did it this way is because right now I don't care if I earn any money I want the bragging right to be able to say that I made these really cool morph. it post and I went over the ten min. this in no way is ment to attack you just my thought on pastels

despite being old, i believe the pastel gene is still very useful and without it would be impossible to recreate some nice looking combos such as queenbee, firefly, pewter, firebee, bumblebee, and so on.....you just have to select your pairings in order to get the desired results.....i do not like how pastel reacts with the pinstripe gene.

having said that, it's better to get a pastel combo than to get single genes, if budget allows it. maybe not much special going on with single gene pastels or spiders, but bumblebees are still a genetic powerhouse (bang for the buck), provided it's paired with the right genes..

then again, we might not share the same opinion on the beauty of ball python combos....

Pastel or super is one of my favorites morphs,anything with Pastel look nice,Lesser Pastel,Pastel Mojave,Pastel Clown ....

for my first BPs im looking at things like jigsaw, fire enchi, black pastel enchi, mochi, combos with special or mocha, maybe even a leche (super mocha), ivory, maybe gravel. maybe banana/CG. maybe specter combos. and thats just the codominants. heavy on non-white BEL combos, pinstripe, and enchi, and darkeners with benefits, maybe mahogany. oh, and of course fire. sugar and calico. mystic and phantom. for the wobbly genes, because i also cut out spider, give me champagne. enchi champagne. super enchi champagne. super enchi champagne fire. pumpkin-line. and goldblush is also really nice.

no pastel, no way. i refuse. i will not comply. bees are nice, but i dont want any part of it. instead, give me a pair that can produce enchi mystic potion or enchi purple passion. and super fire enchi is soooo sweeeet.

and thats basically my plan for the next 20 years, all hypothetical. no pastel, never. i have ideas for recessives that i did not mention here, i only mentioned codominants and dominants. i know what i like and what i dont like, and i dont like pastel. give me some leopard het pied instead.

Pastels only get a bad rap because there are so many terrible examples out there...goes back to the point I made in another thread about people not breeding for quality but quantity. Get a couple male Pastels, breed them to as many normal females as possible, and get RICH!!! $$$$$$ Woo Hoo!!!! <<< That was standard practice not too long ago...:rolleyes:

From what I've seen, pastels seem to have a really broad range of quality. Low quality pastels should be avoided, but I don't see any harm in a good pastel combo or super in a collection to make some great morphs with. I love the lesser/butter combos, but so many of them need a pastel gene to make them. I won't pretend I love pastels, but I acknowledge the necessity of their existence for certain projects. :) I love my Super Pastel girl, so I feel like I can't bad mouth pastels too much with her around.

Great thoughts everyone! I agree with many of you, there are a lot if horrible muddy looking pastels and some that are great quality. I think super pastels are prettier than normal pastels in my opinion. Funny how I used to think pastels were so pretty until I got one and got into breeding lol.

Check out this picture on royal constructor design(top picture):
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/07/dedy7eby.jpg

Looks like a nice normal to me, what do you guys think? Seems like they are colliding with normals these days!




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I think the Pastel is an awesome morph. I wouldn't think they are "money makers" ( I personally dont care) but I consider them an important base morph to have in your collection.

So.... a Citrus Pastel YB is of no use? Just an example of your short sightedness.

0.5 Pastels, 0.1 LemonBlast, 0.1 Pastel Het Clown and 0.2 Super Pastels here. Many males with the Pastel gene.... Enchi Pastel, Pastel Het Clowns, Pastel Het Pieds, etc....

All have many great uses when paired with a good mate.....

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So.... a Citrus Pastel YB is of no use? Just an example of your short sightedness.

0.5 Pastels, 0.1 LemonBlast, 0.1 Pastel Het Clown and 0.2 Super Pastels here. Many males with the Pastel gene.... Enchi Pastel, Pastel Het Clowns, Pastel Het Pieds, etc....

All have many great uses when paired with a good mate.....

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short sightedness? really?

let me modify the middle sentence a little bit, for fun, lets replace pastel with enchi....

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0.5 Enchis, 0.1 Enchi Pin, 0.1 Enchi Het Clown and 0.2 Super Enchis. Many males with the Enchi gene.... Super Enchi, Enchi Het Clowns, Enchi Het Pieds, etc....

All have many great uses when paired with a good mate.....

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i dont know, looks better to me this way :) . we could play the same game with fire or YB/Ivory or many other morphs. oh, and, in the example, please disregard the higher price of enchi, try to assume exactly the same price for enchi and pastel.

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oh, and, in the example, please disregard the higher price of enchi, try to assume exactly the same price for enchi and pastel.

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You can't disregard the higher price of Enchi......

You always breed higher qenetic males to lower genetic females. Foolish if you do it the other way around.

I have a lot of Enchi combo males going to Pastels/Super Pastels/LemonBlast. Why would I put the cost of an Enchi female in my project like I did my Pastels when I can get double gene Enchi males for a few dollars more than a straight up Enchi female? I do have 0.2 Enchis, but 0.5 is not required with my Enchi males.

Pastels girls are here to stay.

For someone who doesn't own a bp, you do a lot of typing just to hear yourself think. Quantum Physics means nothing in breeding ball pythons.....

From my thread....

This is obviously a worthless clutch.....

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Proven 2010 Pastel comes through again. 1860g last season and gave me 7 eggs (all good). She got up to 2280g this season and gave 9 eggs to a Banana pairing. Actually paired to both my Bananas....

9 eggs (896g), all candle good. Mom is tucked away in a fresh tub after a shower :gj:

First two are cell pics.... crappy!! The last pic of a lock shows her colors a bit better. I'm so foolish to even have Pastels in my collection....lol!!

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And one of the potential dads is not just a Banana :)

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i didnt say pastel is worthless. just a bit overrated and cannot compare to certain other morphs. a pastel is most certainly better than a normal. and with such a smoking hot male, even a clutch from a normal female is valuable. and even a normal x normal clutch has inherent value.

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You can't disregard the higher price of Enchi......

You always breed higher qenetic males to lower genetic females. Foolish if you do it the other way around.

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if they are better than enchi ONLY because they are cheaper than enchi, then this kinda proves my point. yes pastel is the monetarily cheapest morph. my main point is that other codominant genes like enchi, fire, lesser, YB are better than pastel and have more potential than pastel. IF the price would be the same, THEN you would prefer these, and thats why i said that im not talking about the price.

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For someone who doesn't own a bp, you do a lot of typing just to hear yourself think. Quantum Physics means nothing in breeding ball pythons.....

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and that is called an "ad hominem". if you would have succeeded in adressing the main argument of my post i would not have bothered to point out a little "ad hominem" like this.

I can buy 0.5 Pastels to your 0.1 Enchi. I'm not ruling out Enchi by any means, but my 0.5 Pastels give me 5x more eggs in two years than your 0.1 Enchi.

That's what I call a wise decision considering some of the males I already have are Enchi morphs.

No need to reply. You have earned the "ignore user" button.

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I can buy 0.5 Pastels to your 0.1 Enchi. I'm not ruling out Enchi by any means, but my 0.5 Pastels give me 5x more eggs in two years than your 0.1 Enchi.

That's what I call a wise decision considering some of the males I already have are Enchi morphs.

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so if you could choose one of the following: 0.1 pastel, or 0.1 enchi, or 0.1 some other comparable codominant morph, and they would all be the same price, same weight, same gender, what would you choose?

i guess you wont reply. i just want to point out that you still did not adress my argument.

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No need to reply. You have earned the "ignore user" button.

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not sure if thats an "ad hominem" or maybe just a "red herring". i guess its an "ad hominem" because its directed against me, while you still leave my main argument untouched.

Sorry but pythonfriend why does your opinion on any of this even matter you don't even have a bp all you talk about is when you start your collection seems to me that your just another person that talks without actually doing anything

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I personally like pastels so they are one of the genes I play with in my evil laboratory. All pastels will "brown out" to one degree or another but this isn't necessarily a bad thing. I really dig how my oldest pastel girl looks and am looking forward to seeing how some of her progeny look as they age too. It's pretty silly to argue about differences in taste - of course not everybody is going to like what you like. A massive percentage of pastels on the market are not to my personal taste either and I wouldn't breed them if you paid me. Luckily I found a couple that I do like so I get to work with one of my favorite genes.

Couple examples of why I like pastel. Pictures were taken without a flash and when the sun was behind clouds - no washout.

My oldest girl and her daughter:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps6231f176.jpg

Same pastel daughter as above with firefly brother when they were both right around the 1000g mark:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps12a1fdb4.jpg

Pastels would not have such a bad rap with a lot of people if it was not for a bunch of people producing them for quantity and throwing the concept of quality out the window. I have see 400 gram pastels that were so faded and brown that they looked normal, I have also seen 1600+ gram pastels that still looked bright yellow and had high blushing.

The problem is, as been mentioned in this thread already, they are a cheap morph...aka a morph most new breeders can easily get. Who is statistically more likely to throw lower quality animals together just to get some eggs?...newer breeders. They keep the one nice baby (out of the 6 or so that hatch) and sell the rest to other new breeders. Now you have 5 more people breeding a low end pet only quality snake.

In all honesty from the right line and from the right breeder I would still pay $200 or more for the right pastel female. That being said most pastels out their on the general market are worth no more than a normal.

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i didnt say pastel is worthless. just a bit overrated and cannot compare to certain other morphs. a pastel is most certainly better than a normal. and with such a smoking hot male, even a clutch from a normal female is valuable. and even a normal x normal clutch has inherent value.




if they are better than enchi ONLY because they are cheaper than enchi, then this kinda proves my point. yes pastel is the monetarily cheapest morph. my main point is that other codominant genes like enchi, fire, lesser, YB are better than pastel and have more potential than pastel. IF the price would be the same, THEN you would prefer these, and thats why i said that im not talking about the price.



and that is called an "ad hominem". if you would have succeeded in adressing the main argument of my post i would not have bothered to point out a little "ad hominem" like this.

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That pastel gene sure makes her so worthless and crappy. No one wants that commoner gene! Gross!

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That pastel gene sure makes her so worthless and crappy. No one wants that commoner gene! Gross!

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"worthless" and "crappy".... when did i ever say something like that?

it surely looks nice, and surely would look much nicer with a different gene instead of pastel in it.

its about quality. a BMW is a nice car. but a Ferrari or a Rolls Royce is arguably even nicer. a BMW is cheaper. Now the difference is that cars do not sexually reproduce, but BPs do, and soon other better codominant morphs will be just as easy to get as pastels. the price difference is not here to stay, it will go away.

some of you just like to throw stuff around like "That pastel gene sure makes her so worthless and crappy", because you know i never said anything like that, but by implying that i did, you cause me to defend myself. Thats typical bullying behavior. its not friendly and not productive, and it does nothing to contribute to the discussion. its just some of you making clear that you dont like me, and congratulating each other for twisting around what im actually saying. i keep playing because you only reveal your own character flaws this way. it doesnt bother me, but the information it reveals about how different forum members prioritize different things is quite interesting.

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Pastels would not have such a bad rap with a lot of people if it was not for a bunch of people producing them for quantity and throwing the concept of quality out the window. I have see 400 gram pastels that were so faded and brown that they looked normal, I have also seen 1600+ gram pastels that still looked bright yellow and had high blushing.

The problem is, as been mentioned in this thread already, they are a cheap morph...aka a morph most new breeders can easily get. Who is statistically more likely to throw lower quality animals together just to get some eggs?...newer breeders. They keep the one nice baby (out of the 6 or so that hatch) and sell the rest to other new breeders. Now you have 5 more people breeding a low end pet only quality snake.

In all honesty from the right line and from the right breeder I would still pay $200 or more for the right pastel female. That being said most pastels out their on the general market are worth no more than a normal.

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now THAT is a really good post. on topic, and good points are being made. some selectively line-bred pastels are really nice.

the issue i see: what if you take a really nice pastel, and breed it to a nice black pastel (which has not been selectively bred for brightness, but for other traits), and then you breed the resulting pewter to a yellowbelly (which also has not been selectively bred for brightness), and then you get a pastel in that pewter to YB clutch. will it still be as nice? or will it look more like the typical average pastel after the line has been mixed with other stuff?

when i look at things like lemon pastel or citrus pastel or blonde pastel, i wonder if its really a different gene that will hold up when there are a few generations of recombination, or if you can unintentionally revert them back to average pastels when, for example, working with darker morphs.

So I reread this thread about 3 times just to make sure I didn't miss anything and I am now pretty confident I did not. So just to verify, someone posted their personal opinion that they do not wish to have pastel in their collection, as they do not feel it lives up to their personal standards compared to other morphs. Then multiple people are on a mission to mock them for their opinion and also claim their opinion holds no merit because they do not own a ball python currently? Am I getting this right? Are you kidding me?

Now correct me if I am wrong, but I think I remember pythonfriend stating at one point English is not his first language. Regardless of that, I know he has a different way of expressing himself, which is normally with less than ideal finesse (No offense), but his intention and thought pattern is pretty easy to follow in this thread. I never went to college, but I'm pretty sure I can still follow this. He answers the OP question, with detail in his first two posts. Didn't attack anyone, just gave his opinion, which is exactly what the OP asked for. Then...

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So.... a Citrus Pastel YB is of no use? Just an example of your short sightedness.

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Do you understand how random this comment and attack really are?

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You can't disregard the higher price of Enchi......

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I can buy 0.5 Pastels to your 0.1 Enchi. I'm not ruling out Enchi by any means, but my 0.5 Pastels give me 5x more eggs in two years than your 0.1 Enchi.

That's what I call a wise decision considering some of the males I already have are Enchi morphs.

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You misunderstood his first two posts, then misunderstood his explanation... by a long shot. Honestly I don't know what the heck you thought he said.

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That pastel gene sure makes her so worthless and crappy. No one wants that commoner gene! Gross!

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Where the heck are you guys coming up with this? he called pastels overrated. Do you honestly get all bent out of shape over his opinion? I think bananas are overrated, are you upset by that? or does my opinion hold more merit because I actually own ball pythons? Which about that....

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Sorry but pythonfriend why does your opinion on any of this even matter you don't even have a bp all you talk about is when you start your collection seems to me that your just another person that talks without actually doing anything

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For someone who doesn't own a bp, you do a lot of typing just to hear yourself think. Quantum Physics means nothing in breeding ball pythons.....

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So now we are condemning those who actually learn about these animals and talk to use before owning one? *flips the fricking table*

I think it's reasonable to say while learning about these animals, one might form and opinion and figure out what they like and do not like. I didn't know you weren't allowed to share that opinion, even when an OP specifically asks for it.

I can't say I've ever seen the infamous gang mentality I have read about, as I do not normally participate in the sections that give the opportunity. BP.net actually has a rep for it. Guess I have seen it now. I do however wonder, does "the gang" normally sound so ridiculous?

If there is something I misunderstood, someone please enlighten me.

I thought my analogy was pretty straight forward, obviously a question was required. Yes, someone who has never bred hasnt a good opinion about the genetic potential of any pastel. Or a generalization therein.

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I thought my analogy was pretty straight forward, obviously a question was required. Yes, someone who has never bred hasnt a good opinion about the genetic potential of any pastel. Or a generalization therein.

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Yeah, I don't understand this. I look at pictures, I go to shows, it is pretty easy to see what does what, how do me making babies all of sudden enlighten me to genetic potential, of course assuming you are not the first to create a certain combo.

Also why is genetic potential even a topic in this thread?

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Yeah, I don't understand this. I look at pictures, I go to shows, it is pretty easy to see what does what, how do me making babies all of sudden enlighten me to genetic potential, of course assuming you are not the first to create a certain combo.

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I lean more into the generalization made. It's really an animal by animal issue. To say pastels are bad or unnecessary was a glaring inexperienced/novice insight. Much to be disregarded.

I dunno what else you are passionate about to make more analogies, but I will if you enlighten me.

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I lean more into the generalization made. It's really an animal by animal issue. To say pastels are bad or unnecessary was a glaring inexperienced/novice insight. Much to be disregarded.

I dunno what else you are passionate about to make more analogies, but I will if you enlighten me.

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When was anything about pastel being bad or unnecessary even said? The only thing I see is overrated and a whole of explanation of his opinion. Also a simple explanation will be good, skip the analogy.

if you disregard an argument in a thread, this should mean that you, well, disregard it. i disregard an argument by not responding to it, or maybe by pointing out how it is wrong, and respond to other more valid arguments instead.


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i learned english at school, and i was really bad at it, well into 10th grade. which translates into age 16. then i started reading english literature, and figured that i like it, and i read 10000 pages of english literature within less than 2 years. and my grades improved dramatically. today, not counting all digital conversation on forums or elsewhere, i think i am at around 40000 pages read in english. i watched all of star trek in english, except for the last third of deep space nine and parts of the original series. i watch game of thrones, agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, the walking dead in english. and all of "oz", "the wire", "sopranos", "misfits", "battlestar galactica", "south park", "4400", "firefly". i simply prefer the original language, if possible. and i did spend time in the USA, i have seen all of the west coast between SF and LA. i had one helicopter ride in my life, through the grand canyon. ive seen yellowstone national park, all of it.

and i know how to properly capitalize letters in the english language, but i JUST DONT CARE. at least not in this thread.

right now, i do not keep any BPs. but i held them and i've seen a lot of them and i have a working brain and a sense of taste when it comes to aesthetics. also i have a kind of high-functioning autism, which (in my case) brings with it some abilities, at the cost of social awkwardness. i never forget facts that fit in with other facts, but sometimes i forget people. i cannot relate to children, and this was true even when i was a child. (end of blue stuff, back to topic).


i still think other comparable codominants are better, if you leave availability and price aside. when you show off all your super pastel + extra gene stuff, i remember that youtube video where Ralph Davis shows all his super phantom + extra gene stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbXf6Jsbj_4

and i think super pastel doesnt really compare, these are just super phantom (/mystic) combos (i think mystic and phantom are basically the same). the contrast in the snakes in the video is just awesome. oh, and, no pastel in the video. none of them has pastel. and (personal opinion) i think they look awesome, and because its all in the BEL complex, i assume they will age well. but i am well aware that only donkeys assume. smart people look at how they really age.

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How does everyone feel about regular pastels? Only because the dinker I have may be gravid with pastels, which is no issue for me. Just wondering how much these sell for since they are the second most popular morph these days.


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The first post in this thread. Looks to me like OP was looking for any and all opinions so they could get a feel for the morph in general.


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Eh. I think like any gene, the quality is what matters, not so much the gene. I really dig the combos I have with pastel. (silver streak, ax pastel, and lemon blast). I stay away from the browned out (or orange guys at that young age) ones. I've seen just as many bad enchis as I have seen bad pastels. I honestly have only seen pictures of a handful of just enchis (no combos) that make me go WOW (and then again I've only seen a handful of single gene pastels that wow me). All about the quality. I don't think I've come across a BP gene that when a quality example, I haven't liked in some form or combo.

As for the OPs original topic, don't bother going with just pastel. Get pastel combos and look for bright color. Avoid orangey looking babies because that orange quickly goes brown. I still admire my pinstripe even with him being 1200g now. I chose him for his pretty gold and yellow colors and now he's a brown gold color with yellow on his face and back. He looks a lot better to me than many adult pins I've seen. I know I'm talking about a different gene but go by the same principles of bright yellow, no orange. Personally I'd love to get my hands on a pastel baby from MissRiss. Best pastel I've ever seen. Image that cross with a goldblush mojave. That pastave would be killer.

I do like the Pastel gene, but will eventually only have Pastel combo's in my collection. With the exception of Chocolate, I think pretty much every other gene looks better with Pastel in it.

Dave

As a stand alone gene the pastel is not all that great honestly. They were way over produced and way to many bad examples of the gene are out there. But the same can be said for any gene that has been around for a long time. I will not have a pastel again simply because I do not like it in pretty much everything I have seen it in. Yes there are great combos it is a part of and has its place in most collections just not mine. Again the same can be said for quite a few other genes. I think if someone wants to have them they should because there is lot to do with them and if someone does not want them they shouldnt have them. I think every collection should have at least a few spiders but not everyone likes them. I will not think less of them at all for that opinion they are entitled to it just as I am entitled to mine.

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