name confusion

just been seeing different names for what I thought was the same morph, so wanted some clarification... is a killerblast (super pastel x lemonblast)and superblast the same thing, or are those two diff combos? also whats added in to a queenbee that makes it diff from a killerbee?

A super blast and killer blast are the same thing (super pastel pinstripe). A queen bee is a pastel, butter/lesser, spider whereas a killer bee is a super pastel spider. Hope I helped.

Killer Bee = http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/killer-bee/

Queen Bee = http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/queen-bee/

Look at the genetics column down the left hand side of that page. It tells you what genes go into making that particular morph. They are different, some very slight.

Depends who you talk to. before a couple years ago, Both WoBP and NERDs websites claimed super blast was a super pastel pinstripe and killer blast was a super pastel spider pinstripe and both websites also claimed BHB was the first to produce both.

Then all of a sudden, WoBP changed their story and said killer blast was a super pastel pin and killer spinner was a super pastel spider pinstripe and also changed it to say NERD was the first to make both, even while NERDs own site said the other names and gave the claim to BHB. NERDs site has been redone since then tho.

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Originally Posted by SouthernBredBalls

A super blast and killer blast are the same thing (super pastel pinstripe). A queen bee is a pastel, butter/lesser, spider whereas a killer bee is a super pastel spider. Hope I helped.

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X2. If you put super pastel and lesser to Spider, you get a killer Queen bee. I actually went to a show the other day and there were 2 Killer Queen bees. One was labeled super Queen Bee, and the other was labeled lesser killer bee. this just causes confusion, they're all the same snake.

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if you want confusion, consider the pastel mojave pinstripe.

pastel mojave = pastave. pinstripe mojave = jigsaw. pinstripe pastel = lemonblast.

so possible names are: pastave pin, jigsaw blast, and mojave lemonblast. :rolleyes: . add enchi, and you could call it a mochi lemonblast, or enchi jigsaw blast.

all becomes clear when you list the genes that are in it.

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Originally Posted by SouthernBredBalls

A super blast and killer blast are the same thing (super pastel pinstripe). A queen bee is a pastel, butter/lesser, spider whereas a killer bee is a super pastel spider. Hope I helped.

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okay thats what I was thinking.... so would a super pastel x lemonblast be any different than a super pastel x pinstripe? or would they both produce a killerblast

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Originally Posted by George1994

Killer Bee = http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/killer-bee/

Queen Bee = http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/queen-bee/

Look at the genetics column down the left hand side of that page. It tells you what genes go into making that particular morph. They are different, some very slight.

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thanks for the links..I did not know their about their site & it looks like they have everything covered

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Originally Posted by jharris08

okay thats what I was thinking.... so would a super pastel x lemonblast be any different than a super pastel x pinstripe? or would they both produce a killerblast

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thats not how it works. if you pair super pastel and lemonblast, you get 25% pastels, 25% super pastels, 25% lemonblasts, 25% killer blasts.

and if you breed super pastel to pinstripe, you get 50% pastel and 50% lemonblast.

to make anything that contains super pastel, both parents need at least one copy of the pastel gene. so you could breed lemonblast to pastel, and get 12,5% normals, 25% pastels, 12,5% super pastels, 12,5% pinstripes, 25% lemon blasts, 12,5% killer blasts.

the genes dont just get added together (as in: pastel to pinstripe produces lemon blasts), but there is always recombination going on and it follows statistics. (as in: pastel to pinstripe gives you 25% normals, 25% pastels, 25% pinstripes, 25% lemon blasts).

okay thanks that makes more sense.. I am a biology grad so I do understand the common genetic ratios, I just need to learn what desinger morphs are dominant, co dom, or recessive

you already know worldofballpythons, they have A LOT of pictures of all the different combos, its good for looking up morphs. they also have a genetic calculator, but i dont like it, it has flaws and mistakes. but if you want to look up a morph combination and dont find anything, and you wonder what the morph combination is called, you can use the genetic calculator for a breeding that produces what you are looking for. and then you see if it has a special name, or if they really dont have it in their database.

i like this genetic calculator the most: http://www.owalreptiles.com/genetics.php . it gives you a nice overview. and its really precise and elegantly designed, and has nice functions like "post to bp.net" :D which gives you this when you breed super pastel + spider to pastel + pinstripe:

Male:	Killerbee
Female:	Lemon Blast
Percent	Fraction	Traits
12.5%	1/8	Killer Blast
12.5%	1/8	Super Blast
12.5%	1/8	Killerbee
12.5%	1/8	Super Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Spinner Blast
12.5%	1/8	Lemon Blast
12.5%	1/8	Bumblebee
12.5%	1/8	Pastel
View Results Page

and ironically, in this case, that just adds more confusion because they call the super pastel pinstripe spider "killer blast". i prefer "killer spinner", because i like calling the combo of spider and pinstripe a spinner.

it seems like all the names for combos keep changing over the years, and slowly inching towards something more consistent.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Depends who you talk to. before a couple years ago, Both WoBP and NERDs websites claimed super blast was a super pastel pinstripe and killer blast was a super pastel spider pinstripe and both websites also claimed BHB was the first to produce both.

Then all of a sudden, WoBP changed their story and said killer blast was a super pastel pin and killer spinner was a super pastel spider pinstripe and also changed it to say NERD was the first to make both, even while NERDs own site said the other names and gave the claim to BHB. NERDs site has been redone since then tho.

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This.

Basically a pissing contest about who made the first one, so who gets to name it, several years after it'd been first created and people had already accepted one name...then it gets changed. Not like we don't need to make up for a confusion deficiency in the bp world. To me a super pastel pin is a superblast and a super pastel pin spider is a killer blast because that's what they started as for me...do I really care what anyone else wants to call them? Not really...it's not like there's any official naming committee, wobp basically just puts whatever name people tell them to that they feel is most correct, there is no governing body telling us what we have to call them. I know it can be confusing for some first coming into the hobby and trying to get caught up on morphs, asking is the best way to find what something really is often times, and names or words in a name are not always set in stone to refer to a morph or morph combo as part of a name. Enjoy the animals, don't stress out over getting caught up with names and have fun with it...and laugh a little sometimes when we find morph combos named stuff like Iron Maiden, Wet Dream, or CUMMP.

i studied linguistics for 2 years, so for me its totally fascinating how these changes occur under my eyes, and confirm theories i learned earlier.

so many people with "free will" deciding whatever they want, but as a whole, it moves, and it follows what i studied. and i can make predictions and they come true eventually. disambiguation is a strong force, as is conformity. definition has the potential to override it all, but only if a consensus backs it up and it actually gets adopted.

and english is just my second language, i am a native german speaker, and i plan on adding a third one. spanish or japanese, which one is better?