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  • 01-21-2014, 08:54 AM
    arnau666
    health question urgent!
    ok so my blood has mouth rot and i must give him antibiotics.
    the problem is i never did this to a snake , i am a medical student. anyway i dont have vets that can to this in my country especialy in my area.
    so my question is where is best to give him the shot? in what part of the body? middle? upper? tail base? base body? i presume i must do it in the muscle adjacent to the spine.
    any advice is welcomed.
    thank you
  • 01-21-2014, 09:01 AM
    PitOnTheProwl
    Where did you get the antibiotics??
    What are you using?
  • 01-21-2014, 09:11 AM
    arnau666
    Re: health question urgent!
    celfazidine called fortum . drug store for animals
  • 01-21-2014, 09:15 AM
    arnau666
    Re: health question urgent!
    he has 1.5 kg and i must give him 0.3ml .
  • 01-21-2014, 10:11 AM
    ViperSRT3g
    For some reason, I don't see this thread going very well...
  • 01-21-2014, 10:15 AM
    arnau666
    Re: health question urgent!
    and may i ask why is that? o.0
  • 01-21-2014, 10:33 AM
    Archimedes
    Have you gotten him diagnosed by a vet? and had the vet show you how to administer any medication?

    Edit: I see you don't have a vet, that's your first problem. Administering medication without veterinary guidance is a terrible idea.
  • 01-21-2014, 11:05 AM
    PitOnTheProwl
    Especially if it should be injected under the skin or into the muscle?
  • 01-21-2014, 12:30 PM
    bcr229
    Ok first off you've misspelled the medical name of the antibiotic you're using, which threw me off at first. It's CEFTAZIDIME, better known as Fortaz in the US. If you're going to be a doctor please learn to spell medications properly.

    I'm going to assume that you're not in the US since you can purchase antibiotics over the counter. Here it's prescription only.

    You're going to have to figure out the dosage based on the strength of the medication and you're snake's weight. Since you're in med school it should be a snap (I hope).

    Fortaz should be injected in the front third of the snake, into the muscle along the side halfway between the spine and belly. To avoid damaging the scales slide the needle under the rear of the scale before injecting the snake.

    Expect your snake to object rather strenuously to being injected. Even with my ball pythons it was a 2-person job, one to hold the snake, the other gave the shots.

    You can also look up mouth swab treatments for mouth rot, I know they exist but not what they are offhand.
  • 01-21-2014, 12:39 PM
    WarriorPrincess90
    Yes, as previously stated, you're going to want to go between the scales and you'll want to achieve a very small angle 45 degrees or less. You can't just go right in like you could on a larger animal. You will definitely need a second person to help you. Even he most docile BP is going to thrash pretty violently to get away, and you don't want them to thrash and break the needle off or stab something important (I.e. The lung). You'll want someone to put pressure just behind the snake's head and a few inches past the point you will be injecting. They will need to hold the snake well enough that he or she can't move, but obviously you don't want to hurt the snake.
  • 01-22-2014, 09:48 AM
    arnau666
    Re: health question urgent!
    first of all i thank you for your advice and concerns. so to clarify this, i was to a regular vet who told me to use this anbitiocits that in my country is called fortum . in my country i dont have vets with reptile experience(so i dont know if i should trust them or not since they cant treat properly a dog,,,anyway). he told me to do the shots , so i came here to be sure i was doing the right thing.
    i dont have any medical experience with reptiles . and ofc i made the right dosage. dont judge so harsh people who want help . i just want to help my snake and find out how he got sick. and yes i dont know english at high level but i dont think that i write so poorly. this been said i will do my best to treat him and again i apreciate your concerns and help . i hope he will be ok soon. i will come with updates.
  • 01-22-2014, 11:48 AM
    satomi325
    Re: health question urgent!
    Aside from what the others said, the reason why you want to inject in the front 1/3 of the snake is because if you inject further back, the kidneys might flush the antibiotic out of the system before it has time to absorb into the body.

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  • 01-24-2014, 10:35 PM
    aahmn
    Re: health question urgent!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by satomi325 View Post
    Aside from what the others said, the reason why you want to inject in the front 1/3 of the snake is because if you inject further back, the kidneys might flush the antibiotic out of the system before it has time to absorb into the body.

    Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

    It's not just that. Some of the antibiotics can be toxic to the kidneys in more concentrated doses also.

    I know the original poster's English is not perfect, so I'll just add this. In reptiles, the circulatory system is set up so that blood from the heart flows through the kidneys on the way to the back part of the body, and has to flow through the kidneys again on the return trip. If you give the injection in the back half, the antibiotics would flow through the kidneys first before reaching the heart to be circulated throughout the body. In doing that, they could be filtered out or cause kidney damage. If you give the injection in the front third of the body, the antibiotics reach the heart first and can be recirculated, some returning to the front of the body, some to the back. The concentration that has to pass through the kidneys immediately is reduced, and you have a better chance of the antibiotics being more systemic and reaching everywhere they need to reach (since it's usually respiratory or oral issues in the front half of the body being addressed).
    This is the simple way to think about it, anyway.
  • 01-24-2014, 11:04 PM
    Tim Mead
    Re: health question urgent!
    Must ? a minor case can be corrected thru husbandry.. That being Weekly feeding and a clean environment..
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