Don't own herps but spout advice

I see a few fellas on here that give advice but have yet to provide pics or speak of having a herp.

C'mon.....show the wristband. Why do yous guys envelope into a hobby that you have no part in.
I see no animals from you but you spout info like a book.
The yoohoo who decided the spit info on amputation and a few others.

Show your junk

wheres your animals?

If not then i understand the love but how so long without not owning one?

Know this isn't about me lol

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

Know this isn't about me lol

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:P

says the dude who took the name i wanted.

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

:P

says the dude who took the name i wanted.

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I'm a lady! Lol

And it was my first snakes name

If I remember correctly she's a she. :P

Edit: lol well I remember correctly. Quick fingers Bobbafett

Why does everyone think I'm a dude

Hey! I call ladies dudes!

ive been around for a year and have stalked around enough to know this.

Dudes are dudes who are dudes that know dudes regardless of being dudes


i dont do smilies for dude dudes unless other dudes are involved...ya know?

...A dude is a dude....not a dude but a dude.

Pink isn't for ladies and a dude isnt for dudes

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

Show your junk

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Trouser herps or... ?

Usually its a case of their parents wont let them have a herp yet but they want one and think they have learned enough to chime in. At least that is what I have noticed in the past.

I recall one from a good while back that was always giving advice and once they got a bp they decided it wasn't for them.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Usually its a case of their parents wont let them have a herp yet but they want one and think they have learned enough to chime in. At least that is what I have noticed in the past.

I recall one from a good while back that was always giving advice and once they got a bp they decided it wasn't for them.

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Lol no way.

Okay, i get that immersive obsession being a young fella.
I was into snowboards and never had one because single parent family/low income so i did all i could to know and understand about them....same thing with ferrets...i got the license but the animals themselves were "too expensive".

Im guilty of not owning a Corn but I delve super deep in Colubrids that if someone has a question i know i can help them with i will.
Only on this site because it incorporates them along with other animals.
I'm not on Cornsnakes.com doing it.

But what about the dudes who have the means and the will.
Or the ones i can't call out, they been around less than me but tout well over 500+ posts.

Im just curious, I gave my examples of understanding and dabbling but what is the driver....collect what you love ya?

Are you talking, like, they have NO herps? Or they don't breed them?
I only have two snakes but like to give advice when I feel I know something... :P


(As a side note, every time I see "herps" I think "herpes". Stupid brain. NOT THE SAME.)

lol Reminds me of on horse forums/sim games where young kids would get bitten by the horse bug, read up like crazy, then spout off stuff. Like how whips and spurs are bad. Not when used for their intended purpose. Whips aren't to go faster, they're to back up an ignored leg aide. Spurs aren't to go faster either, they're for more precise communication since your leg covers inches of their side. The spur lets an advanced horse know exactly what you're asking. I did all the reading I could on horses for like six years before I finally was able to get my own. Actually owning the animal, no matter how much you've read, is a big learning curve.

With BPs, I researched for only two months and having him on the first day was like "Oh my gosh I'm going to screw this up. This animal is so amazing. I want to hold it right now." Anything out of what I thought was usual scared me. I feel fairly comfortable now, but look forward to gaining years and years of experience and really knowing the in an outs of all aspects of their keeping and breeding.

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Originally Posted by NH93

Are you talking, like, they have NO herps? Or they don't breed them?
I only have two snakes but like to give advice when I feel I know something... :P


(As a side note, every time I see "herps" I think "herpes". Stupid brain. NOT THE SAME.)

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None zero...like a dude who has nothing but copy and pasted info.
Which by the way is dandy if its correct but unless a situation arose that puts a nut in the cracker, why not have a herp?
I'm all about homies helping homies, dont need a billion animals to know what the deal is so long as your in tune with the ones you have now.


And these animals are a bit like herpes ;) very contagious and stay with you.

People want to feel a part of something. You'll find armchair experts in every hobby. It's easy to read a care sheet, think "I could do that", and then talk about it like you've actually done it.

I can think of one particular individual here who has no reptile or ball Python experience, yet gives regular advice. I disagree with a lot this person says. No offense to them, but a lot of their posts are total nonsense in my opinion. If it isn't regurge, then the posts are just assumptions that lack any proof or common sense to support the claims and 'advice'. And they have offered potentially dangerous and/or illegal 'advice' in the past.

Its one thing to read and regurge common advice. Its another thing to learn about an animal through personal experience, keeping, and handling.
There is so much you cannot learn from a book or texts on a screen.
And not everyone's animals or experiences are going to be the same and follow an instruction manual that's written in stone.

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Why is this even a thread? Talking about the individual and whether or not he owns the animals is simply ad hominem and is illogical. Either the person provides good logic and evidence for the claims, or he/she doesnt. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

Why does everyone think I'm a dude

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Do you like to abide?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsw0KVRjCM

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Originally Posted by OctagonGecko729

Why is this even a thread? Talking about the individual and whether or not he owns the animals is simply ad hominem and is illogical. Either the person provides good logic and evidence for the claims, or he/she doesnt. /shrug

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I'll bring this to the thread inspector.
Everything is black and white ya?

More than one person but im just curious as stated already.
I don't want to start anything but illogical is what im curious about....you know this whole thread topic.
Ill be sure to explain myself again and re-ask questions that are overly asked.
"why do spiders wobble or does my snake love me"

That work?

Thanks to those who share their thoughts.

Just be glad this isn't a dinosaur forum!

I see your point, though. I can see lurking and/or asking questions if you're snakeless, but it seems a little presumptuous to pass out advice without the experience. My philosophy is that I wouldn't give someone advice on something I wouldn't do, or haven't done, myself.

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

I see a few fellas on here that give advice but have yet to provide pics or speak of having a herp.

C'mon.....show the wristband. Why do yous guys envelope into a hobby that you have no part in.
I see no animals from you but you spout info like a book.
The yoohoo who decided the spit info on amputation and a few others.

Show your junk

wheres your animals?

If not then i understand the love but how so long without not owning one?

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So I have to post pics on here to prove I have snakes? Ive got 17 balls and 1 on the way plus 1 King Snake. I deleted all my pics because I didn't like the way they looked. Ive also bought from several babies from other members on this very forum, so they know what Ive got.

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

I'll bring this to the thread inspector.
Everything is black and white ya?

More than one person but im just curious as stated already.
I don't want to start anything but illogical is what im curious about....you know this whole thread topic.
Ill be sure to explain myself again and re-ask questions that are overly asked.
"why do spiders wobble or does my snake love me"

That work?

Thanks to those who share their thoughts.

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No, there are colors.

Irrelevant to my point.

I understand your interested in something illogical, which is why I pointed it out.

No need to explain yourself again, I think its perfectly clear.

Not interested in the topics, which is why I didn't view either.

So no.

But you didnt thank my thoughts :gj::P.

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Originally Posted by OctagonGecko729

Not interested in the topics, which is why I didn't view either.

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Not to be a jerk, but why are you posting then? That's a serious question, not an attempt at sarcasm.

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I dont get the 'Its to expensive' thing, you can get a leopord gecko for £20 (about $35) or a ball python for only a bit more. I would understand if someone didnt have the time or recources but i dont think money plays a part (I got one BP for £10 from a bad owner).

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Originally Posted by dgring

I dont get the 'Its to expensive' thing, you can get a leopord gecko for £20 (about $35) or a ball python for only a bit more. I would understand if someone didnt have the time or recources but i dont think money plays a part (I got one BP for £10 from a bad owner).

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I'm sorry but it bothers me when people think that reptiles are cheap pets. Even if a snake is free, you still have to account for appropriate housing, bedding, heating, feeding, and most importantly vet care costs for the rest of its life. And snakes love a long time compared to a lot of pets.

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Originally Posted by Shann

I'm bothered when people think that reptiles are cheap pets. Even if a snake is free, you still have to account for appropriate housing, bedding, feeding, and most importantly vet care costs for the rest of its life. And snakes love a long time compared to a lot of pets.

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True but in the grand scheme of things, whats eight quid (pounds) for a tub, 5 for a hide and water bowl, (hopefully pet bills will not be needed but they are not too expensive) maybe 15 for humidity and thermometer system and a few quid on feeding day, in my opinion, having herps is worth WAY WAY more than that, especially if you plan to breed them later on in your life. I am not trying to say it is a cheap, you have no idea how much money me and probably other people have blown (Even though its money well spent) on herps, but if its just having one, simple pet you dont need to be a millionaire. I understand why people would give advice though, if they dont have the time and resources and/or there parents wont let them but i just dont see how money is the biggest issue. (I am a strong believer that if the advice is good, who gives where it came from, the information is right and obviously vice versa.

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Originally Posted by ROACH

So I have to post pics on here to prove I have snakes?

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Nah. I'm a believer that if you read a forum enough, you can tell who knows what and who doesn't without pics. Pretty pics wouldn't make me listen to certain people and a lack of pics wouldn't make me stop listening to certain others.

People should post pics if they feel like it, not to prove they meet some ambiguous requirement to give advice.

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Originally Posted by OctagonGecko729

No, there are colors.

Irrelevant to my point.

I understand your interested in something illogical, which is why I pointed it out.

No need to explain yourself again, I think its perfectly clear.

Not interested in the topics, which is why I didn't view either.

So no.

But you didnt thank my thoughts :gj::P.

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I actually tried to but the edit on the second time expired :P

but i do appreciate your thoughts for real.

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Originally Posted by Shann

I'm sorry but it bothers me when people think that reptiles are cheap pets. Even if a snake is free, you still have to account for appropriate housing, bedding, heating, feeding, and most importantly vet care costs for the rest of its life. And snakes love a long time compared to a lot of pets.

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1. I couldn't agree more! When I explain to people how much money I've spent on Ajja, the first response is usually, "for a $30 snake!? Are you nuts!?" To which my response is "if the dog you spent $50 to adopt from the shelter is sick, are you going to take him to the vet, or let him die because he's only a $50 dog?" That one gets' em every time.

2. I'm guessing the last sentence of your post is a typo, but don't edit it. I think it's better the way it is!



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Originally Posted by patientz3ro

1. I couldn't agree more! When I explain to people how much money I've spent on Ajja, the first response is usually, "for a $30 snake!? Are you nuts!?" To which my response is "if the dog you spent $50 to adopt from the shelter is sick, are you going to take him to the vet, or let him die because he's only a $50 dog?" That one gets' em every time.

2. I'm guessing the last sentence of your post is a typo, but don't edit it. I think it's better the way it is!



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Haha oops!! Got to love typing on a phone. But it's a good typo XD

That's a good response, with the dog. I think I will use that in the future. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by patientz3ro

1. I couldn't agree more! When I explain to people how much money I've spent on Ajja, the first response is usually, "for a $30 snake!? Are you nuts!?" To which my response is "if the dog you spent $50 to adopt from the shelter is sick, are you going to take him to the vet, or let him die because he's only a $50 dog?" That one gets' em every time.

2. I'm guessing the last sentence of your post is a typo, but don't edit it. I think it's better the way it is!

3. I said it before in a previous post, but I'll say it again. If I knew when I got Ajja that I would end up dropping nearly $1K on JUST Ajja's cage and environmental control system in the first year... I would absolutely do it again. She's a normal from LLL. $29 at the reptile super show in 2011.


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Not quite sure how I managed to quote myself and then add to my post. Odd.

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Originally Posted by ROACH

So I have to post pics on here to prove I have snakes? Ive got 17 balls and 1 on the way plus 1 King Snake. I deleted all my pics because I didn't like the way they looked. Ive also bought from several babies from other members on this very forum, so they know what Ive got.

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Noooooooooooooooo, As anyone who goes through this forum for a long enough time.
I think "you know i have never seen such and such dudes animals....i wonder if they have any"

Im not questioning the legitimacy of anyone but i open this for those who have the passion and whatever else.

I must be putting my thoughts down wrong.

Meh, Im going to applebees

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Originally Posted by dgring

I dont get the 'Its to expensive' thing, you can get a leopord gecko for £20 (about $35) or a ball python for only a bit more. I would understand if someone didnt have the time or recources but i dont think money plays a part (I got one BP for £10 from a bad owner).

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Often times the actual snake (or any animal for that matter) is the "cheapest" part of the equation to buy. It's the proper set up that ends up costing more. So maybe they have $50 for a snake, but not the additional $100-$200 for a thermostat, plus whatever for a tub or tank, substrate, hides, water dish, heat lamps if needed, thermometer... Pets aren't cheap.

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Originally Posted by Mr Oni

Noooooooooooooooo, As anyone who goes through this forum for a long enough time.
I think "you know i have never seen such and such dudes animals....i wonder if they have any"

Im not questioning the legitimacy of anyone but i open this for those who have the passion and whatever else.

I must be putting my thoughts down wrong.

Meh, Im going to applebees

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Lot's of experienced people don't post pictures of their animals up.


It's great that so many people are willing to help others. That's what being on this forum is all about - Helping others and sharing our love, passion, and experiences.

However, I think when someone says they plan to get their first ball python in the near future and they are also constantly offering advanced advice is odd to me.

And I always think when someone corrects another keeper on, lets say quarantine for example, but doesn't quarantine themselves is ridiculous.

I personally feel that snakes aren't very costly... not cheap, but overall not expensive either.
Their equipment and start-up is the most costly, if you don't get high-end morphs (or so I've noticed), but it's still the least expensive pet I've ever owned, and I've had my fair share I think.
Cat, dog, guinea pigs, fresh water fish up the yin-yang (bred guppies for awhile with my pa), piranhas, and frogs. By far - even considering vet costs, if applicable - snakes win, every time. With fish being the most costly, in my opinion.

HOWEVER cost is always one factor to look at with pets, but not the most important to me.

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Originally Posted by NH93

I only have two snakes but like to give advice when I feel I know something... :P

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Lol, me in a nutshell. Knowledge-wise, I'm a database of animal taxonomy, reptile natural history, and other people's experience and I'll regurgitate that wherever I think it helps.:gj:
That being said, the moment the opportunity presents itself, I'll be adding 20 more snakes to two so I can say "Yeah, from my personal experience...." Then I can at least sound like I know what I'm doing. :P