Which habitat is best?

What is the best initial habitat for a baby BP? The store staff suggested a bearded dragon habitat, which has me confused. Isn't a 100W bulb too hot for a bp?

http://www.amazon.com/Reptihabitat-2...s=reptihabitat


They also have the snake habitat:
http://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Labora...=snake+habitat


Oliver is in a 20 gallon tank now, so I figured it would be best to get him the same size and set up. It would seem less stressful to me to have familiar surroundings when coming to a new home..... right? There is a 40 gallon kit available but I don't want to overwhelm Oliver with a home twice as big as the one he now has. What do you think?

I live in a rural area and do not have any reptile stores near me (that I know of) .....

Thannksssss,
P.

What size is your BP? A lot of stuff that comes in those kits you wont use. what is your setup like now?

A 100watt bulbs seems okay. depends on where you live and what the weather is like most of the time.

I have nothing now.....not even the snake! I'm getting prepared, and want the best set up for him. I'd say he's about 15" long....

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Originally Posted by pbyeerts

I have nothing now.....not even the snake! I'm getting prepared, and want the best set up for him. I'd say he's about 15" long....

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You could use a 40gl tank that way you wont have to upgrade later. The hardest part about a glass cage is keeping temps and humidity correct (you have to check the cage everyday to make sure everything is okay) or you could use a rubbermade tote as a cage and its much easier to keep temps and humidity.

From the reading that I've done, I thought that getting him a larger tank would make him too stressed? I'd love to have to buy only one tank if it's ok for the snake :-)

you can buy a tank that will house an adult and just clutter it up. They feel insecure if there isn't enough places to hide or its too open. IMO bulbs just deplete humidity. I would seriously look into a plastic enclosure, they maintain heat and humidity a lot better than a glass tank will. Some examples to look at would be Vision Cages and Animal Plastics T8, there are plenty of users on here than can vouch for the Animal Plastics cages, I myself use visions, but that is because I can get them locally and don't have to pay for shipping.

Note: to get an idea of how to properly set up a plastic enclosure there is a really nice write up on here that should answer all your questions (I believe it was done by "The Serpent Merchant". I can't find the link right now, but you should be able to search for it

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From the reading that I've done, I thought that getting him a larger tank would make him too stressed? I'd love to have to buy only one tank if it's ok for the snake :-)

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Just fill it up with things and he will be fine... now trying to heat and keep humidity in a 40gl can be a job. I have a 40gl glass cage and its a everyday thing to check.

Here is the link on how to setup up a animal plastic T8.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...With-Pictures!

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Originally Posted by Spencer88

Here is the link on how to setup up a animal plastic T8.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...With-Pictures!

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I knew someone would find it. Thank you!

I'm going to give you the same advice a friend who has had snakes for many years gave me when I started out. Like an idiot I didn't listen to him, and as a result I wasted a lot of money, got very aggravated, eventually took his advice, and now I have empty tanks cluttering up the house.

Get a tub/rack system, either buy it or build it if you have the tools available. At some point you'll want more BP's - they're like Pringles - and long-term it's cheaper and easier, plus you will have happer and healthier BP's - if they're in tubs.

To have a successful tank,you will need a bunch of stuff..I'll tell you what I have

-1 hide
-1 UTH mat
-1 thermostat ( hydro farm )
-1 electronic thermometer
-1 analog hygrometer placed accordingly
-1 thermometer strip on hot side
-1 large water bowl
-some fake plants and fake vines
-double twin dome one bulb for day and one bulb for night.

im using aspen for bedding in this set up for now atleast,so I keep sphagnum moss on hand. I also have reptile spray and PAM,incase a mite issue arises,just playing it safe.

You guys are THE BEST - thanks! I think that I'll start with a "cluttered" 40 gallon aquarium just to get started, and will then upgrade. I don't mind the extra work and like I said, its just a temporary fix. He's still going to need plants, hides, bowls, etc.. no matter what he lives in.

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You guys are THE BEST - thanks! I think that I'll start with a "cluttered" 40 gallon aquarium just to get started, and will then upgrade. I don't mind the extra work and like I said, its just a temporary fix. He's still going to need plants, hides, bowls, etc.. no matter what he lives in.

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I have a 40 gallon glass tank right now, and its a pain in the butt to keep temps and humidity. If you're planning on buying a bigger glass tank I'd advise you against it.

I would personally suggest to keep your bp in a 20 gallon glass which you already have (correct me if I'm wrong) until your bp outgrows it so you can save up for a bigger PVC or wooden terrarium.



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Originally Posted by Misha

I have a 40 gallon glass tank right now, and its a pain in the butt to keep temps and humidity. If you're planning on buying a bigger glass tank I'd advise you against it.

I would personally suggest to keep your bp in a 20 gallon glass which is cheaper and easier to heat while he's a baby. That tank will be enough for at least a year if not more. When your bp outgrows it, you can upgrade to a bigger PVC or wooden terrarium which is aestheticly pleasing and easier to keep temps and humidity. Just my two cents from my experience.



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I use a 100W bulb in my 3ft vivarium. I have 8 BP's an done vivarium type enclosure... I now use tubs and by god are they so much easier to work with! I use heat mats on these. With the ceramic bulb I find that I have real issues with humidity in comparison to the tubs I use for the others.

I suspect that like most things, if you ask 100 people for their opinion, you'll get 100 different answers..... I'm going to have to do some more research on this so that I make the right decision for my snake.......

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I suspect that like most things, if you ask 100 people for their opinion, you'll get 100 different answers..... I'm going to have to do some more research on this so that I make the right decision for my snake.......

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It pretty much comes down to opinion and personal preference. Whether you get a PVC, tubs, glass, or any other terrarium, you should have correct temperatures, humidity, and safety precautions (thermostat & thermometer). Everything else is pretty much is a personal preference. Some people use paper towels for substrate while others use coco husk. There's people who just put two hides and a water bowl while others totally deck out their terrarium with plants, branches and cool hiding places.

At the end of the day, as long as correct husbandry is observed, everything else depends on you (definitely with common sense though). Hope this helps to make you decision easier.

I forgot to post this in my original post:

Since someone already posted a link to a PVC terrarium, here's one link how to setup a tub and the other one how to setup a glass tank.

Glass-
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...p-w-pics-*DUW*

Tub-
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...e-Basics-*DUW*

Thank you very much for your help!