Update on one crazy Mojave

We snagged this guy up from WTF Morphs a month or so ago at the Manchester Expo, we had looked at him from the time he was hatched and kinda bypassed him because he was a ..well...a boy. So at the show we walked around a few times looking again at the table and this male was still on Josh's table, so I decided to take him since no one else did.

Fast forward to this past weekend when Josh hatched out the insane looking Jigsaw Paradox, a.k.a. "WTF" from the same sire as this male. So we are beginning to think the sire is throwing some strange babies.

Any who, here are some updated photo's of the 0.1 Mojave PH Pied we got. He is one of my favorite males so far even though hes a simple single gene.

Hatchling photo:
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...59419764_n.jpg

And him now at 129g:

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https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...93347873_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...90898257_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...61480238_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...57214336_n.jpg

Can't wait to pair him with our Vanilla PH Pied/Hypo and see if they both prove out ;) Some Mojave Vanilla Pieds sounds good to me!

His eyes are flippin awesome! Definitely a good call on picking him up.

Mojave is what I want next..I just got a black pastel and was debating between him and the mojave,it was a rough call.


killer eyes man and beautiful snake

Never seen eyes quite like that! Awesome boy

Stunning boy!!

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Those eyes... whoa...

Imho, theres no need to prove anything out there. He's a nice looking boy. :D

That's unique.

I can't see the photos :-/

He seems to be more than just a mojo het pied and I've hatched and dealt with alot of mojos

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His eyes are flippin awesome! Definitely a good call on picking him up.

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Mojave is what I want next..I just got a black pastel and was debating between him and the mojave,it was a rough call.


killer eyes man and beautiful snake

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Never seen eyes quite like that! Awesome boy

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Those eyes... whoa...

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Thanks everyone!! Yea he has some crazy eyes for sure. The pattern is quite amazing as well.

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Originally Posted by stoaob3

He seems to be more than just a mojo het pied and I've hatched and dealt with alot of mojos

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He's from a Mojave to a normal het Pied female. But the recent clutch he sired threw out the insane paradox from a normal pinstripe female. Josh is paring up the Mojave sire again to see if he gets any more 'crazy' babies :P

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Originally Posted by stoaob3

He seems to be more than just a mojo het pied and I've hatched and dealt with alot of mojos

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What makes you say that?

Well even with all the polymorphism involved his overall look patterning and color etc. Seems to have a seperate gene in there. I guess we won't know until he is proved out

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Well even with all the polymorphism involved his overall look patterning and color etc. Seems to have a seperate gene in there. I guess we won't know until he is proved out

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See I was thinking the same thing when I saw this picture come up on my FB feed, and its also on WOBP as a Mojave Calico. Oddly enough it looks identical to my male, but no way is either of the parents have calico in them (that we know of). But yea, time will tell when I get to breed him. I have a Vanilla het Pied/Hypo for him and will be putting him to a few others that will be ready next season.

Calico Mojave - Photos from WOBP

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...mojave/002.jpg

And this is my boy again for comparison. (lighting is different)
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...53471176_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...57214336_n.jpg

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Well even with all the polymorphism involved his overall look patterning and color etc. Seems to have a seperate gene in there. I guess we won't know until he is proved out

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All the polymorphism involved? Its a mojo. Its looks funky because its most likely het pied. (I would say definitely het pied but i don't wanna get stoned by you people). Het pied does funny stuff to morphs

Polymorphism as in there are extremes to every morph. There's polymorphism In any single gene. Their will always be odd balls yeah het pied does stuff technically two genes involved but there still seems to be something else in play.

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If the patterns weren't connected, I would have just said regular mojave. A number of mojave's from Brian Gundy's Gold Blush line would look very similar if they weren't connected.

For now, I will bet it's the het pied gene highly expressing itself and doing funky things.
Het pied changes phenotype in a lot of morphs.



Examples that are similar to the OP's mojave, imo.
- has similar floating connected alien heads

Alan1's Lesser 100% het pied
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9489/picture059l.jpg

alfaregius's Lesser PH pied
http://www.alfaregius.com/uploads/1/...60232_orig.jpg

Cinnamon 100% het pied
http://baileyreptiles.com/images/ava...l/12cphpm1.JPG


Pewter Mojave PH Pied
http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/z...ave_pewter.jpg

My cinny is only 50% ph pied. What other genes do you think she has...?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/11/aryrute8.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/11/u9eja5yd.jpg

A lesser het pied I just saw on facebook.
Reminded me of this thread.

https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/...27585022_n.jpg


Alfaregius' het pied
http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6b9a7250.jpg

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Polymorphism as in there are extremes to every morph. There's polymorphism In any single gene. Their will always be odd balls yeah het pied does stuff technically two genes involved but there still seems to be something else in play.

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This, lol, polymorphism from its Latin roots means "many forms". Not necessarily speaking of extremes as much as it is dealing with diversity.

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This, lol, polymorphism from its Latin roots means "many forms". Not necessarily speaking of extremes as much as it is dealing with diversity.

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Exactly were are talking about the same thing. All morphs have differences with in themselves

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Exactly were are talking about the same thing. All morphs have differences with in and among themselves

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Don't worry guys, I fixedid it, :cool: . Sorry to be detail oriented but genetics requires it.

Oh ok, i get it now. "Morphs" is a poor choice of wording when applied to balls because of the way we use it in the hobby i suppose. Makes sense though.

I'm still just seeing mojo het pied and wondering what else you're seeing though...

Well, I'll be happy with some White Gold (mojave pieds) and I've got him a nice Vanilla Het. Pied/hypo to go with. Would love to see a Mojave Vanilla Pied one day! :)

Extremes would be relevant to the individual. A new person to the hobby might not think there is much difference between a very reduced patterned normal and a very busy patterned normal, to me or some other individuals it might be and 'extreme' difference. Why even argue about it when we are basically talking about the same thing....it's all relative to the individual

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Relative to the individual *

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Extremes would be relevant to the individual. A new person to the hobby might not think there is much difference between a very reduced patterned normal and a very busy patterned normal, to me or some other individuals it might be and 'extreme' difference. Why even argue about it when we are basically talking about the same thing....it's all relative to the individual

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I am afraid there is a difference...
Extreme: farthest from ordinary
Diversity: displaying multiple points of difference

These are both qualitative terms to an extent; however, the former speaks of only one area of difference, whereas the latter is an umbrella term for all points of difference in a population, hence its tie to the term polymorphism: many forms. Your argument seems to say that the individual keeper has his or her own definitions of morphs and genetics, this is of course plausible; however, we must use the most logical and agreed upon terms when discussing such areas with others. How many different names do you think me and my lab partners have for all the machinery and tests we perform? Tons, but the "official" name goes on the research paper.

Wow stfu, way too much time on your hands , reading into things a little much

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Wow stfu, way too much time on your hands , reading into things a little much

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Lol, no offense meant bud. I have had some pretty nit picky teachers so I guess it rubbed off. :cool:

K cool so this thread is very clear then:-)

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I'm still just seeing mojo het pied and wondering what else you're seeing though...

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I'm still wondering...

Although, if you're gunna get your panties in a bunch explaining then don't bother. Seems you already did over nothing lol

I'm not saying there is something definite, but as alot of little side projects are proving out, why not try. There are plenty of now proven stuff that started out as a what if or there could be something

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Ok lol, never mind :p

His pattern is so cool! It will be interesting to see what happens, hopefully it's a new gene because that crazy, wtf thing is awesome!

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His pattern is so cool! It will be interesting to see what happens, hopefully it's a new gene because that crazy, wtf thing is awesome!

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I'll be happy with what ever comes out of this little boy :) His first date is the het Pied Vanilla ;)

Hey guys, as an update to Jennifer's post. I am tending to throw some really awesome Mojave offspring with this sire. I think the Het Pied really expressed itself in their gorgeous little boy and he is smoking. Here is the Paradox Mojave that was produced from the same sire to a different unrelated Pinstripe male. Oddly enough, the sire and both dams are all from NERD.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...90665237_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...12961103_o.jpghttps://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...21998470_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...15503222_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...40114792_o.jpg

Also, here are the three Mojave siblings from the second clutch (Mojave X Pinstripe) Same eyes as the Mojave from the first clutch Jennifer has.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...86563154_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n..._8566629_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...54455312_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...12000680_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...14973691_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...66670407_o.jpghttps://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...66670407_n.jpg
​All feedback is welcome and appreciated!

F'n awesome ← drooling

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So it seems there is something else at play . Can't wait to see how this plays out

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Hey guys, as an update to Jennifer's post. I am tending to throw some really awesome Mojave offspring with this sire. I think the Het Pied really expressed itself in their gorgeous little boy and he is smoking. Here is the Paradox Mojave that was produced from the same sire to a different unrelated Pinstripe male. Oddly enough, the sire and both dams are all from NERD.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...90665237_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...12961103_o.jpghttps://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...21998470_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...15503222_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...40114792_o.jpg

Also, here are the three Mojave siblings from the second clutch (Mojave X Pinstripe) Same eyes as the Mojave from the first clutch Jennifer has.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...86563154_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n..._8566629_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...54455312_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...12000680_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...14973691_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...66670407_o.jpghttps://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...66670407_n.jpg
​All feedback is welcome and appreciated!

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No known incubation issues, correct? I'm only asking bc thats one of the first things people will bring up as an explanation lol

That paradox is flippin sweet!!! As are the mojos.

LOL no known incubation issues! All ten eggs progressed perfectly and the other 9 match up perfectly with expectations and odds

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LOL no known incubation issues! All ten eggs progressed perfectly and the other 9 match up perfectly with expectations and odds