baby balls can they be kept together?

Can I keep my new baby balls together?

And if so what would be the best way to feed?


Thank you, Herman

No they need to be in separate enclosures. Balls are not social animals and a lot of problems arise from cohabitation

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Guess I better get a rack any suggestions on size of tub that will last me a while on size?


Thanks Herman

you "CAN" but it is not recommended. Ball Pythons tend to stress easily, and having 2 together could cause stress. That being said, if you had a large enclosure for them, I see no issues at all with keeping them together. As far as feeding them, I would feed them separately. Take one out to handle while you feed the other, then a few days later do the same but with the other snake. Stagger their feeding schedule. Alternatively, you could feed them on the same day, in a "feeding tub" so that they are separated. Don't feed them together.

Why cause unneeded stress from making them live together and moving them around on feeding day.
Cons of them being housed together strongly outway the pros. Which there is only one and that being you only need to buy one of everything. A big enough enclosure will still only have one hot spot to fight over.

41qt tubs will last they're life unless you have a really big female. Go with the rack or even single tubs.
For babies they would need excess hides and clutter...

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Guess I better get a rack any suggestions on size of tub that will last me a while on size?


Thanks Herman

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Are you planning on keeping them long term? Or are you just holding them a while til you can sell them/move them/give them to someone else?

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Are you planning on keeping them long term? Or are you just holding them a while til you can sell them/move them/give them to someone else?

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Good question I read it as he had just purchased baby balls.

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Long term but don't want to buy something right now that they will grow out of super fast.

Thanks, Herman

Right now I have some coming and did not think ahead have couple tanks but will need to get something more

Herman

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Long term but don't want to buy something right now that they will grow out of super fast.

Thanks, Herman

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If you're keeping them til they're adults, then Crazymonkee was right. You can get the big tubs and they'll work til they're full grown. 41 quart is standard. I have these: http://www.reptilebasics.com/iris-cb-70-rack. They're listed as 37qt.

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Can I keep my new baby balls together?

And if so what would be the best way to feed?


Thank you, Herman

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This is only to be done if absolutely necessary, I do remember one occasion at the pet store I worked at we ordered a shipment of 10 new baby ball pythons, they were to arrive on a Thursday and that Wednesday morning a customer was to arrive and take 10 snakes he had already put a 30% deposit on, leaving each new baby their own cage. Well the customer had a serious emergency come up and had to go out of town for a week (we decided to hold them since he was a repeat customer and we knew he probably was not just BSing us). All I could do Wednesday evening was grab a used 40-gallon tank off the clearance rack, deck it out with 10 hides, two hot spots, and everything else. I was afraid they would take longer to adjust because of this but no they actually took some rat pups about 6 hours after coming in the mail and ate again one week later right before being separated.

Seeing as how you want a rack I am going to assume you plan on building a small/large colony. The minimum tub size I use for anything terrestial is 30-32qts with cypress/coconut coir mixture as bedding, a hot spot via cable/pad, one hide cave, I also create other hides by using fake plants, and finally an 8oz deli cup as a water bowl. Many people use much smaller tubs for hatchlings honestly I find all mine to enjoy a bit of space, my 2013 pastel is in a 106qt right now due to some tubs not arriving on time (they are here today thank goodness) and is doing great. These are the tub sizes I use for young python regius and reticulatus...
http://www.amazon.com/Sterilite-32-Q...age+containers

http://www.amazon.com/Sterilite-1889...age+containers

My question is why do you want to house them together?

my response in certain cases is if it's due to money and not having the funds to tend to two enclosures,you shouldn't have pets. If you can not afford the basic necessities,then animals aren't for you. I hope that's not the case in this situation.

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My question is why do you want to house them together?

my response in certain cases is if it's due to money and not having the funds to tend to two enclosures,you shouldn't have pets. If you can not afford the basic necessities,then animals aren't for you. I hope that's not the case in this situation.

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Why do you like telling people they shouldn't have pets?

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Why do you like telling people they shouldn't have pets?

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If you can not afford them,if you don't have the $$$ then u shouldn't own pets,it's a responsibility. And if u struggle and can't afford things like aspen and lights and heating etc..how will you be able to afford a vet bill of $500 or more

^ wow this guy really is something else.

Despite what everyone here has said, it is perfectly fine to keep them together while you decide and accumulate the finances to create a permanent home for your new snakes.

When clutches first hatch, do breeders not keep the entire clutch together on a damp substrate until they first shed out?

How is that any different?

Anyway, you'll be fine to do it in the short run but it would be in the best interest of the snakes to give them separate enclosures before too long.

Do they not meet each other in the wild? Or is it one ball python to a gopher/rat hole, and they come out one by one to hunt some what like an invisible single file line?

Also, 10/10 not going to get rid of my animals if I lose my job or something. Struggle or not, it's a commitment and giving up cause some kid said to is not what I would consider ideal.

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^ wow this guy really is something else.

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You have no idea,I'm even better in person:)

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I agree. Haven't seen much good or useful come from him.

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If you can not afford them,if you don't have the $$$ then u shouldn't own pets,it's a responsibility. And if u struggle and can't afford things like aspen and lights and heating etc..how will you be able to afford a vet bill of $500...it's common sense man,use your head. My comment was very clear and even the simple minded with common sense would get my point...you apparently aren't the sharpest tool in the shed,lol...so is it clear enough now,or should I break it down to a 5th grade level,maybe pre k?

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You, sir, need to go on somewhere with your consistently rude comments. This forum is meant to help people, not bash them for not knowing an answer to a husbandry question. If you don't have any good advice to give, or can't say anything without it having an extremely rude undertone to it, please, stay off of this forum and leave the great people who are apart of it, alone.

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Despite what everyone here has said, it is perfectly fine to keep them together while you decide and accumulate the finances to create a permanent home for your new snakes.

When clutches first hatch, do breeders not keep the entire clutch together on a damp substrate until they first shed out?

How is that any different?

Anyway, you'll be fine to do it in the short run but it would be in the best interest of the snakes to give them separate enclosures before too long.

Do they not meet each other in the wild? Or is it one ball python to a gopher/rat hole, and they come out one by one to hunt some what like an invisible single file line?

Also, 10/10 not going to get rid of my animals if I lose my job or something. Struggle or not, it's a commitment and giving up cause some kid said to is not what I would consider ideal.

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These are great points.
Although it's not ideal for them to be housed together, they'll be fine for a little while. I would just find separate enclosures as soon as you can just to keep them from stressing each other out too much.

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If you can not afford them,if you don't have the $$$ then u shouldn't own pets,it's a responsibility. And if u struggle and can't afford things like aspen and lights and heating etc..how will you be able to afford a vet bill of $500 or more..it's common sense man,use your head. My comment was very clear and even the simple minded with common sense would get my point...you apparently aren't the sharpest tool in the shed,lol...so is it clear enough now,or should I break it down to a 5th grade level,maybe pre k?

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Why can't you actually give helpful answers? All you do is post snarky comments. It's getting quite old. :rolleyes: You don't even know the reason the OP asked the question. You don't know their situation. That's really not fair to jump on them and say they shouldn't have pets. You're making the assumption that they don't have the money to house them with no knowledge of whether they do or not. People should be able to ask a question on here without a member jumping down their throat with rude comments. And to say someone "isn't the sharpest tool in the shed" is quite rude. I never get why people join a forum, you know an online community, and decide to go against the grain and not become part of that community.

I was going to say like Kodieh said, breeders keep baby balls together for a bit before giving them their own tubs. Never heard of anything negative from that. I'd say the OP's question can't be answered until the reason of WHY is answered.

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Right now I have some coming and did not think ahead have couple tanks but will need to get something more

Herman

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He did answer why. Although I do think more thought should have went into it, the situation is what it is, so yes I'd separate as soon as possible. Should you not own pets??? I see no reason why you shouldn't. At least you asked and are prepared to do things right :)

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If you can not afford them,if you don't have the $$$ then u shouldn't own pets,it's a responsibility. And if u struggle and can't afford things like aspen and lights and heating etc..how will you be able to afford a vet bill of $500 or more..it's common sense man,use your head. My comment was very clear and even the simple minded with common sense would get my point...you apparently aren't the sharpest tool in the shed,lol...so is it clear enough now,or should I break it down to a 5th grade level,maybe pre k?

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You ever said anything useful?

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If you can not afford them,if you don't have the $$$ then u shouldn't own pets,it's a responsibility. And if u struggle and can't afford things like aspen and lights and heating etc..how will you be able to afford a vet bill of $500 or more..it's common sense man,use your head. My comment was very clear and even the simple minded with common sense would get my point...you apparently aren't the sharpest tool in the shed,lol...so is it clear enough now,or should I break it down to a 5th grade level,maybe pre k?

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I can afford aspen. I choose to use paper towels because they're cheap. I can also afford a $500 vet bill, but no way in hell I'd rack one up (not for the snake anyway). Since I can afford the things you mention, just choose not to incur the expense, should I be able to keep my pets?


And you're already communicating on a fifth grade level, at best. Rather than dumb it down for us, maybe try to bring it up to somewhere around 9th or 10th grade?

Wow so much negativity on this one thread for a simple question. To answer that question. I have seen many people keep snakes together throughout their entire lives with no issues at all. That is not to say that it is best for the snakes at all. Short term no problem at all but long term should be avoided.

Now can people grow up and give advice rather than attacking people?

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Can I keep my new baby balls together?

And if so what would be the best way to feed?


Thank you, Herman

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Herman, I might not be a pro on ball pythons, but i've been housing two ball pythons together for about a year now and they are perfectly fine. Neither of them have ever missed a meal (I feed them on the same day in separate feeding tubs).

I think it's people's opinion that keeping two BPs together is somehow harmful. It's also my opinion that it's not.

Sometimes you have to take these forums with a grain of salt and find what works best for you and your BPs.

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If you can not afford them,if you don't have the $$$ then u shouldn't own pets,it's a responsibility. And if u struggle and can't afford things like aspen and lights and heating etc..how will you be able to afford a vet bill of $500 or more..it's common sense man,use your head. My comment was very clear and even the simple minded with common sense would get my point...you apparently aren't the sharpest tool in the shed,lol...so is it clear enough now,or should I break it down to a 5th grade level,maybe pre k?

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Really?? With you years of knowledge: How do you keep your hatchlings?? Think about it before you answer..........................
Maybe you need to open your ears and learn to ask a couple questions before I tag you for padding your posts with worthless responses like these.



Herman63,
Are they hatchlings or do they have some size to them already? Im sorry if I missed it, I just glanced over some of the responses.
Yes, you can keep them together but you will need multiple hides and I would feed in a separate container.
I don't care what anyone tells you, I do handle my snakes before and after feeding BUT you don't want to handle them too much after feeding.

As they age I would not keep them together for many different reasons including illness, how would you know who is the sick one ;)

I would like to thank everyone for helping.

We all make mistakes and I did by not being totally prepared. I am in the process of getting a rack.

Thanks again, Herman

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I would like to thank everyone for helping.

We all make mistakes and I did by not being totally prepared. I am in the process of getting a rack.

Thanks again, Herman

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Thanks for the update! Definitely need pictures when you get everything in and setup! :)

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